I think you're right; the dress doesn't speak of being trashed. Maybe because it's so bright, especially around the burnt-out area at the knee. Personal thing for me, I like to see the eyes a bit more in a portrait. I'm sure this is a very nice person, but you should know that the thought package delivered to me is she's a street woman used to a life of selling herself to survive.
Not, I don't have the same feeling. Don't be offended please (it was simply a personal point of view I suppose). Very beautiful girl, beautiful eyes, serene look. I like the light and the wall texture. This is the best of the series imho. Criticism? May be too hard light from left. But it is very personal point and I am not an expert, it is a feeling only. Don't be offended please. I don't give any ratings to images on this site but the photo is very good. Thank you Vlad
#3 Mon June 16, 2008 4:17pm
Yvette, I hope that you will eventually find what to say, so that a dialogue may help you feel better. I never thought by giving honest impressions of what a photograph imparts at the moment to me as a viewer, that somebody would be upset. I do apologize for this effect, and hope you can recover from any stung feelings you may have had.
Perhaps if I were more educated to exactly what you meant by, "...the new TrashTheDress concept," I would have had some pre-loaded experience or knowledge by which to base judgement. I didn't, so I gave you the honest truth of mental impression sparked by visual translation within my brain. Sort of a word association thing, but with images and impressions instead of words. Let me be categorically clear when I say I do not have any disrespect for you or the model.
I do not retract the impression, because it was honestly received and shared, and I don't think that's the sort of thing that should be retracted. Furthermore, I still think the eyes are too dark, especially the one on the left as viewed. A tiny bit of bounced light there may have let me see a spark of life, a little innocence and youth, and may have delivered a completely different story.
I'm not surprised you didn't know what to say Yvette....maybe it (the comment) shows a warped view of women held by the commenter, to see that in the image,......as for the picture, I think the lighting and tones are great....well done...Alan
#5 Mon June 16, 2008 11:05pm
Alan...I'm right here. If you want to come out and make an accusation, do it to me.
Look, folks, I think it's time that Eliza came out and got over her hurt feelings and actually responded, instead of letting others make backhanded comments about my character. Eliza, you're obviously an artist, so haven't you ever heard anybody say anything about your work that didn't meet up with your personal expectations?
The character I responded to in the image is a stereotype. We see it hundreds of times a year in movies, television, plays, and in books. Even in songs, I think. The woman comes to the big city and falls into bad times. She's forced into a certain way of life by circumstances. Yet she has beauty, a fighter's spirit, and the true strength to meet life head on and win. When I saw this picture I assumed that's what the artist was attempting to do, show how a woman can still be beautiful and victorious in the worst situation. Her look meets the stereotype, and expressions such as Trash the Dress feed into the connotative moment.
Alan, I have a wonderful view of women. They're winning, and they'll keep on doing it. But not if they let others speak for them when they have something to say.
Chris.....calm down please.....first of all I have no contact with Yvette/Eliza...I don't even know the lady......Secondly you are upset about me making assumptions about you, yet that is exactly what you did in this last comment of yours, assuming that she had encouraged me to speak on her behalf...... not so at all.
As to my comment as to how you perceive women, well I don't know you either, so I can't say.... but!....when I looked at this picture "street woman" never entered my head...she is not made up like a jezabel, she is not showing excessive skin, she is not posed prevocitavely, but you perceived her to represent a prostitute.....I'm not making a judgment of you, but of your comment.......it is not what the image showed, but how it was perceived!......Alan
#7 Mon June 16, 2008 11:55pm
Okay, Alan, sorry I snapped back. I don't go around thinking of women disrespectfully, honestly. I just responded, that's all. I didn't get up today wondering who I could upset. I actually go around wanting to be a superhero so I can help each and every person I see, so it kind of kicks me in the kneecap when people think poorly of me.
Maybe that's what our esteemed photographer is feeling, too. I am truely sorry for that result.
I think this is a most successfully rendered photograph if I ever saw one. It's pure professionalism. The lighting, the colors, the pose, and that most beautiful face which you have so beautifully brought to light. I wouldn't change a thing. I can only dream of doing photography like this! Ten has gotten a bad rap around here, so I try to use them less now, but you've got mine"The poetry of photography will always be more important than the mechanics of the camera..." - J-H. Lartigue
Chris I really have nothing to say to you. You're entitled to you own opinion. & that is that. Just a word of advice. Before you feel the urge again to 'help' others with your thoughts/ideas/worldly opinion, make sure you understand the concept before trashing it.
Thank you Vlad, Oly_M & Fluffy for your opinions!
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I have only just seen this photo and for all the wrong reasons,i saw a comment and took a look.Sorry i missed this Evette it's a super photo,i do have two doubts though.The lighting on the face maybe could be a bit lighter and the highlighted area on the dress is a bit bright.Both of those can soon be sorted.As for the photo itself i think it looks very proffessional and i could see this in a magazine.I like it very much
May I add a couple of points to this fantastic discussion? I agree with the idea that a person who was/were photographed (a model) and his/her character or appearance in form of a photograph should be separated if the person (model) stays anonymous. Hence, if the photo character is negative it doesn't mean automatically that the model is a very bad person, right? (a portrait of a real person and a reportage photos are not considered here). Another point is that, in my view, it must be fantastically interesting for any photographer (perhaps, I am wrong) to know how people perceive his/her particular photograph. It is something like a fascinating research! Thank you! //// Vlad
By the way I wasn't around quick enough to respond the first time round because I live in another continent, just so by the way.
Because I know the model personally & more so, because its not even the last thing I want to portray through my images, I was taken aback by the reply. But you know Vlad, I couldn't agree more. People will see everything differently, so it has to be expected.
By the way, what I meant with not understanding the concept, I meant the TrashTheDress concept. (in this case, my old wedding dress, I am now happily divorced!:D) Those who haven't heard of it should check it out, it is a super fun & creative thing to do.
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