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Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX2

Panasonic LUMIX DMC-LX2Panasonic Press Release

Panasonic today introduced the Lumix DMC-LX2, successor to the DMC-LX1, which has received high acclaim worldwide for its unique 16:9 wide CCD, plentiful functions, and smart design. The Panasonic DMC-LX2 inherits the f/2.8 28mm wide angle LEICA DC lens, 4x optical zoom (equivalent to 28mm to 112mm on a 35mm film camera) and MEGA O.I.S.(Optical Image Stabilizer) system in addition to an enhanced CCD capable of 10.2-megapixels and larger 2.8 16:9 wide LCD. The Panasonic DMC-LX2 is unique in that it incorporates triple-wide features of 28 mm wide angle LEICA DC lens, 16:9 wide CCD and 16:9 wide LCD. Not only that, the L X2 is further distinguished from other cameras by its full manual controllability with a joystick allowing users to easily enjoy creative shooting. The DMC-LX2 also boasts Venus Engine III high performance image processing LSI to dramatically reduce the noise that challenged the predecessor, realizing image recording at max. ISO 1600 high sensitivity setting at full resolution.

To fight against the major cause of blurred images, Panasonic invented the MEGA O.I.S. system taking advantage of its superior lens technology to compensate for handshake  a feature which has long been incorporated into the LUMIX range of cameras. In addition, to also compensate for the other major cause of blurred images  movement of the subject  the LX2 is also equipped with the worlds first* Intelligent ISO Control (hereafter I.I.C.) within the advanced image processing LSI Venus Engine III. When set to the I.I.C., the Venus Engine III detects the subjects movement and adjusts the ISO setting and shutter speed to best suit the subject movement and the light conditionautomatically. Panasonics excellent image stabilizing system allows users to take clear, crisp images in any situation automatically, leaving everything to the camera.

The LUMIX LX series are distinct from other compact cameras in the way they feature extensive manual controls including manual focus and manual exposure which can be smoothly operated with a joystick. This joystick further provides operation shortcuts to the frequently used settings including white balance, ISO, image size, compression format, light metering and AF mode by simply pressing and holding it. It also allows exposure compensation and selection of one out of nine focusing areas.

The aspect ratio is easily selectable between 16:9 wide, 3:2 and conventional 4:3 with a switch located on top of the lens barrel to shoot in the framing aspect that best suits the subjects composition or images purpose of use. In addition, the DMC-LX2 is capable of recording wide 16:9 high definition (1280 x 720) motion image at 15 fps.

The other features that elevate the DMC-LX2 is the incorporation of 13 MB of built-in memory while the battery life is extended up to 300 pictures* on one charging, not to let you miss those great spur-of-the-moment shots. A print mode has been added to the mode dial so that you can print the images quickly and bundled software allows users to edit and develop RAW files.

The unique 16:9 wide CCD and 28mm wide angle LEICA DC lens provide a unique view of the world and which is refined by the Panasonics excellent image stabilizing systems of MEGA O.I.S., the high sensitivity recording and the I.I.C.

The LUMIX DMC-LX2 is like no other compact camera, enabling both high-end amateurs and entry-level users to explore the creativeness that surely enhances the joy of shooting.

* Based on the CIPA standard.

1.10.2-megapixel 16:9 aspect CCD and f/2.8 28mm wide angle 4x optical zoom LEICA DC Lens

The DMC-LX2 features a 10.2-megapixel 16:9 aspect CCD and f/2.8 4x optical zoom 28mm wide angle* (equivalent to 28 mm to 112 mm on a 35 mm film camera) LEICA DC VARIO-ELMARIT lens. Incorporating three aspherical lenses provides high optical performance while preserving the compactness of the unit. The aspect ratio can be easily selected between 16:9 or 3:2 in addition to the conventional 4:3 with a switch on the lens barrel on a shot-by-shot-basis to best suit the composition of the image. Even after shooting, the 16:9 ratio can be converted to 3:2 or 4:3 with the camera according to your purpose of use.

The Extra Optical Zoom, made possible by using the center part of 10.2-megapixel high resolution CCD, further extends the zoom ratio to 5.5x for 5-megapixel image recording in 16:9 aspect with minimal deterioration.

* In 16:9 aspect ratio.

2. More than just a MEGA O.I.S., LUMIXs image stabilizing system further evolves
Taking advantage of its superior lens technology, Panasonic invented the MEGA O.I.S.(Optical Image Stabilizer) to fight against the major cause of blurred images. It compensates for handshake and is now featured on the entire LUMIX range, and having been highly evaluated and appreciated by the users across the world. Every slight hand-shake movement is detected accurately with the sampling frequency at 4,000 times per second and will be compensated to render clear, sharp images. In addition, movement of the subject, the other major cause of blurred images, is suppressed by the advanced image processing LSI Venus Engine III with the Intelligent ISO Control (hereafter I.I.C.) and max.ISO1600 high sensitivity recording capabilities. The worlds first incorporation* of this I.I.C. allows the automatic adjustment of the suitable ISO setting and shutter speed that best suits the situation by analyzing the speed of subject movement. If the subject is moving, the ISO setting would automatically rise to allow high shutter speed. On the other hand, if the subject is still and no movement is detected, you can take beautiful natural images with a low ISO setting.

?Accordingly the new LUMIX automatically takes the best countermeasures against any causes of blurred images with MEGA O.I.S. compensating for hand-shake and the I.I.C. compensating for movement of the subject. Image stabilizing system is further evolving with LUMIX.

*For a digital still camera, as of July 19, 2006.

3. Dramatically reduced noise with Venus Engine III
The DMC-LX2 adopts the Venus Engine III to realize high sensitivity recording at max. ISO 1600 at full resolution. The noise reduction system is greatly improved by removing noise at the processing stages in series. First, critical noise is roughly undraped and the chromatic noise and the luminance noise are separated to respectively go through the supplemental noise reduction process so that the remaining noise is appropriately minimised.

Despite the significantly increased performance of the camera, the Venus Engine III consumes only 80% of the power utilized by the Venus Engine II and is able to achieve a longer battery life of 300 pictures (CIPA) on a single charge. With its multi-task image processing capability, the Venus Engine III also boasts outstanding response time with a shutter release time lag of as short as 0.009 sec*. minimum and the shutter interval of 0.6 sec*. The DMC-LX2 enables easy capture of those spur-of-the-moment shots. The DMC-LX2 also allows unlimited consecutive shooting up to the capacity of the SD/SDHC memory card**.

* Not including the time for AF.
**The number of recordable pictures depends on the memory card size, battery life, picture size and image compression.

4.Joystick-operated intuitive full manual control
The easy-to-use joystick operation and good design, which were part of the highly acclaimed trademarks of the predecessor, are inherited by the DMC-LX2. The joystick was incorporated to facilitate operational ease and thereby get the best technical advantage of the multitude of functions offered by the camera.  With the joystick it is possible to set focus and exposure manually, and also quickly shortcut to frequently used variables by just pressing and holding the joystick even while monitoring a subject on the LCD. The predecessor LX1 contained white balance adjustment, ISO setting, image size setting and compression format in its shortcut menu, and the light metering and AF mode settings are now added for the new LX2. It also allows the exposure compensation and selection of one out of nine focusing areas.

A switch on the side of the lens barrel lets you quickly change the focus mode between MF, AF or Macro AF. When you focus in the Manual Focus mode, not only the focus distance but also the DOF (depth of field) according to the zoom range and aperture is displayed. An MF assist function enlarges the center of the image to make focusing easier. The focusing area can be enlarged up to 4x and is movable, which also contributes to easy and comfortable manual focusing.?

5.Crystal-clear, large 16:9 wide 2.8-inch LCD
To express the best of the extensive 16:9 wide image recording, a 2.8 wide and large 207 k high resolution LCD is newly equipped. The pixel mixed readout method performed at the CCD achieves high sensitivity to offer sufficient brightness for easy shooting even in low-lit situations.  The Power LCD function boosts the brightness level by 40% to secure clear view even in sunny outdoors.

The High Angle mode makes the display extremely easy to view from low angles, for example, when holding the camera up high to take pictures over a crowd and can be accessed easily and quickly by using the dedicated button.

6.  High definition 16:9 wide motion image recording
The DMC-LX2 is capable of recording the 4:3 VGA(640 x 480) and 16:9 wide VGA(848 x 480) motion image recording at 30 fps. Shooting is one thing but viewing is another, and you will be suitably impressed by the 16:9 moving image when it is displayed on a wide screen TV. In addition, the LX2 can record motion images even in high definition (1280 x 720) format at 15 fps. The pixel mixed readout method assists the bright motion image recording even in low lit situation.

7.  Faster AF
The AF mode can be selected according to the shooting situation: 9-point, 3-point high speed, 1-point high speed, 1-point normal speed and Spot. In the 1-point and 1-point high speed AF mode, the AF area is selectable from the nine focusing areas with the joystick to best fit the composition of the subjects. Also, the AF assist lamp helps quick, accurate focusing in situations where focusing is difficult due to the lack of light. The AF/AE lock button is also succeeded from the predecessor.

8. A Variety of Scene Modes and Other Features to Enrich Your Photography
An even larger variety of scene modes are contained  a total of seventeen* scene modes to assist you in a wide range of photographic situations. The newly incorporated Beach mode is perfect for shooting in strong sunlight and the Aerial mode assists with shooting through the windows of an aeroplane. High Sensitivity** mode is made possible by the pixel-mixed readout method by the CCD, is ideal for shooting moving subjects clearly without blurring at a maximum sensitivity setting of ISO 3200.

For additional improvement, the Print mode is also added to the mode dial of the LX2 so that you can make prints by just connecting the camera to Pictbridge -corresponding printers via included USB cable. Of course you can get plural prints of a image or print only those you have selected as your favourite.

The DMC-LX2 includes 13MB of built-in memory to serve not just as a tool of shooting images but also as a digital album, to enjoy seeing and showing your favorite pictures.

Finally, to edit and develop RAW files, SILKYPIX Developer Studio 2.0SE software application is included with the DMC-LX2. With that, you can freely adjust various setting such as exposure, white balance, and so on afterward with the RAW files to take maximum advantage of digital camera photography enjoyment.

*Not including Macro Mode.
**Resolution significantly decreases in high sensitivity mode.

Panasonic LUMIX DMC-LX2

Published: Wednesday, July 19, 2006

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Reader Comments

  1. Can't wait to see how the test results look! Looks like Panasonic is trying to make some positive additions. If they post the REAL thickness of this model, I'll like that too!
    Is this going to be the back-up, compact camera, for pros that we all have been waiting for? I doubt it, I'm still reading " CCD "
    Maybe too much to hope for, 97% of all photos are 4x6, or smaller, thats the market target, got my finger's crossed tho!

    nick in japan at 12:06pm on Wednesday, July 19, 2006

  2. I'm all over it.

    GTC at 06:05pm on Wednesday, July 19, 2006

  3. If they get the noise reduction under control, they have a winner. ;-P

    dougB at 02:26am on Thursday, July 20, 2006

  4. It looks great alright but why the proprietary li-ion battery instead of AAs? Sigh.

    Patrick at 10:42pm on Friday, July 21, 2006

  5. Patrick, proprietary batteries are seldom universal in their use, therefore we have a way to sell related stuff on a continuous basis, but, in the case of the LX-1/2, the size allotted for a power source is very limited. For it's design/use, Panasonic has extended the image rate to about 300 shots, that's alot of images on one charge, kudo's to Panasonic!
    Note: there is a spec listing out there, I was hoping the published thickness of the camera would be accurate, it is not,they still insist it's about an inch thick, it aint! Its about 2" thick!! BOO!( False advertising has always turned me off! lies tend to compound themselves!)

    nick in japan at 11:34pm on Friday, July 21, 2006

  6. It is indeed disingenuous for them to list the thickness as 1", and I also agree that lies compound themselves. I'd NEVER buy this camera until the overeager test-monkeys weigh in with their full report.
    I wonder if Panny could ever reduce the thickness of this type of camera and lens...sure would be nice, but physics may dictate otherwise.

    marcosan at 04:51pm on Sunday, July 23, 2006

  7. Marcosan, I agree, Leicapao squeezed 2 million more pixels in that same sized 16x9 sensor, and Gary has alerted us to problems that develop when you do that! The compensating "Fix" is the new engine that processes all that info the sensor originates. Only real determination is exactly what you said, feedback via reviews, that is plural!
    I'm a collector and anxious to see if this model qualifies as something that is break-through, right now, I have my doubts.
    I do believe that lens construction is determined by various reasons, they could have done the collapse/ folding / small lens thing I'm sure, but cost and quality may have been a factor, as well as the simplistic mode selectors that are attached to the lens barrel. Switching to 16x9, 3x2 and 4x3, as well as infinity/ close-up selections are very well positioned and probably decided upon to also give that retro look somewhat. It is small, but not left-breast pocket comfortable, for sure. I love my LX-1, but it's a love/hate relationship, just gotta work around the weak areas! It's strong areas keep it in my ready-bag!

    nick in japan at 10:53pm on Sunday, July 23, 2006

  8. That should have been, "Leicapano", or Panaleica"

    nick in japan at 10:55pm on Sunday, July 23, 2006

  9. The LX2 is not perfect, but it sounds like the best point and shoot available, by far. Look at the competition. First, the LX2 has a nice size Leica lens, instead of those teeny tiny ones. Canon's SD700IS does not even offer RAW, plus no manual mode, no 16:9, no 28mm, only 6MPs, and costs more. No thanks.

    The noise might still be a problem, but Noise Ninja does a great job. Canon's noise is hidden through in-camera processing, which cannot be nearly as good as post-processing. Plus, I would never shoot JPEG. Never! And, that's all the other point & shoots offer.

    The black LX2 will be my next carry everywhere camera. Thanks Panasonic!

    kirk at 11:19pm on Sunday, July 23, 2006

  10. Yeah, sure wish they hadn't tried to squeeze the extra 2mp on that tiny sensor..would have been better to build a new one, but much more expensive.
    I also wish it was "left breast-pocket comfortable", but we all must make compromises.
    If the camera addresses the noise issue, then the only things lacking for me would be its size and lack of flourescent light setting.
    Otherwise, I'll take mine in black...even though I'd normally prefer silver. The black looks totally cool. :)

    Marcosan at 12:04am on Monday, July 24, 2006

  11. Re-tooling for an increase of sensor elements is something I can't talk about, Gary can I'm sure, but whatever they have done it is probably due to the balance/ coordinating the existing size relationships of the lens and existing parts of the camera. I'm assuming that the new processing engine III works well with the pixel increase. Knawing at the bit about this, and, the new L1.

    nick in japan at 03:14am on Monday, July 24, 2006

  12. An Optical viewfinder would be a nice addition. But, the LCD is very high resolution, with 207,000 pixels. A larger image buffer would help. A new larger CCD would be great. But, all-in-all the LX2 is what I have been waiting for.

    I agree with Marcosan that the black looks cool, plus I like that the lens barrel is now black, as well.

    TS at 04:48am on Monday, July 24, 2006

  13. Actually, I think it's the black barrel that gives it its cache. :)

    Marcosan at 05:16am on Monday, July 24, 2006

  14. The most complete XL2 description is here:

    I believe the lens protrudes because it has controls around the barrel and this protrusion (when the lens is closed) is about 40% of the total body depth. While it should make good prints, the LX2 is not primarily a printer's camera. It's designed to be used with Panasonic's Slide Shower (DMW-SD1, $130) which connects the LX2 to high definition, wide screen TVs. I'll be using mine with a video projector and a 80" wide screen. I see the LX2 as a reasonable alternative to Ricoh's GR D which costs $200 more. As for batteries I don’t think leica and double A’s should be mentioned in the same breath.

    Bill Eally at 02:40pm on Wednesday, July 26, 2006

  15. I'd like to correct my previous comments. The DMW-SD1 doesn't connect directly to the LX1.
    It accepts SD cards from the LX2 and maybe other cameras. As an aside, if you think the LX2 is an appealing camera, check out Leica's version. No droopy corners on that puppy!

    Bill Eally at 02:57pm on Wednesday, July 26, 2006

  16. "I don't think Leica and double A batteries should be mentioned in the same breath."

    I LOVE that quote!! :)

    Which Leica is equivalent to the LX2? I thought they had an LX1 equivalent, but has an upgrade been announced???

    Marcosan at 04:05pm on Wednesday, July 26, 2006

  17. Hey Bill, there is no D-Lux3, or puppies on Leica's site. And, why is it bad to pay $200 more for different camera (GR-D) and OK to pay $200 extra for the exact same camera (Leica)?

    TS at 04:09pm on Wednesday, July 26, 2006

  18. Kinda cool if Leica can pocket an extra $200 based solely on their name.

    Marcosan at 04:16pm on Wednesday, July 26, 2006

  19. You guys must all be new to photography or are bunch of really bad, long-time amateur photographers who are too lazy to learn anything or make good use of what is available, who act like a bunch of professionals but actually have no idea what you're doing!

    I can almost guarantee that your friends and family can take much more interesting and creative photos with their camera phones than you lot can with your expensive cameras that you haven't learned to use properly, the way you guys talk!

    I am dying to get my hands on the new LX2. They say it's been much more improved than their last version, and I believe it. It's been over a year since the original LX1 was announced! The LX2 has a few more features and a whole new chip and programming, it will be better than the last one.

    Inter at 07:40pm on Wednesday, July 26, 2006

  20. and which side of the bed did we wake up on this morning? Why all the vitriole? As it so happens, I AM a newbie, so beat me please.

    Marcosan at 09:47pm on Wednesday, July 26, 2006

  21. Marcosan.. There has been alot of discussion about the LX-1, please set-aside about half a day and read the longest thread in history, at this site. The LX-1 has a noise issue, but, it has features that are break-through. Noise can be fixed, it's just time consuming. I use my LX-1 daily, even have a back-up if it poops out on me. The LX-2 may have solved the noise issue and incorporated some more new things that may be considered "Break-through"
    Leica and Panasonic are, and ,have been, in bed together for a long time, I consider them one company. Some folks need a "Bling" name to ensure their reputation remains intact, therefore, the D Lux-2 evolved.
    The company has continually touts the thickness as 1", it is actually about 2" thick, alot of us take offense to that. There are people that will see 1", and, not checking, will buy the camera expecting it to be thinner than it actually is! Boo!
    A camera that is 1" thick will carry easily in a shirt pocket, NOT a 2' thick model!
    I have a LX-2 on order, black.

    nick in japan at 11:16pm on Wednesday, July 26, 2006

  22. thanks, nick. Out of curiosity, do you shoot in RAW or Jpeg? A photo buddy of mine says he always shoots jpeg with his dSLR and doesn't like bothering to convert and jerk around with his photos. Do you think the LX2 will be satisfactory as a jpeg p&s'er? Yes, it'll be nice to use its features as a learning tool, but as a beginner, I'd like to know that I can take some good jpegs without much fuss. It's either this cam or the F30, and the wide aspects ad OIS of the LX2 outweigh the F30 in my opinion. Thoughts?

    Marcosan at 11:25pm on Wednesday, July 26, 2006

  23. Marcosan..First of all, IMHO, buying a camera revolves around a couple of things, your shooting routine and what you expect to do with your images. Having a SMALL camera is what alot of folks like, I carry in my ready bag the LX-1, Pentax S6, Kodak V570 and the Sony F828, usually in my camera bag it's the Canon D20 and "Bigma". I do birds and flowers daily, nudes occasionally, and now that the Kids are out of school, my Children daily.
    If your style of shooting will allow you to carry different cameras, they will all do different things for you, if not, carry what you BEST need! When I shot film, I always brought 5 or 6 cameras with me for the same reason, differnt lenses, different films, all giving me the tools I needed. Sometimes one camera won't be used, but the tool is there if needed.
    I usually just do 4x6 prints and e-mail images, so JPEG is fine for me. If I have a picture I really like , I will convert it to TIFF, and store it.
    I have never done Raw, except as a trial once. It is the best way to capture all the data, and to have the very best image you can get, fine for Pros and big blow-ups. The downside is "Time" and space, alot of data to store and play with. I shoot 20-40 images a day, and have my Mr. Mom duties too, so I just dont have the time to play with RAW. JPEG is fine for me, but we all march to different drummers, so what suits you best is what you should shoot for. Try them all, compare, read opinions and then decide. Photography is just a hobby for me, important that I capture what I can, because... life is just a memory!
    Gotta run, Kids want to go to the waterfalls swimming...I'll be back, it's almost 0800hrs here in Japan.

    nick in japan at 11:50pm on Wednesday, July 26, 2006

  24. Thanks, Nick. I just want a single general-purpose camera, not too big, and don't want to have to shoot raw. Simple, no? ;)

    Marcosan at 12:07am on Thursday, July 27, 2006

  25. If, thats IF, a camera has a great lens, a sensor that handles noise well, will have a starting focal length of 28mm, and has a moderate zoom, then I believe by going into Photoshop is smart for that extra zoom we all want. Lottsa folks want the ultimate zoom right in the camera, I'm of the thinking that zooming in photoshop, along with a bit of interpolation and tweaking , is all we need. The trick is to have a sharp picture to start with, noise free.
    Maybe the LX-2 will fill that bill, maybe!

    nick in japan at 04:30am on Thursday, July 27, 2006

  26. I think you're talking a load of bull, nick from japan, whoever you are.

    If you're such an expert & professional, we would all appreciate it if you would please post a link to your website showing your works on it, showing your various photographic styles, techniques, and cameras' results.

    Otherwise, none of us believe anything you say, and we think you should be quiet, because it's a lot of talking with nothing to back it all up.
    I'd thought about the extent of what you say, and sometimes you make good points, but you write so much, it all begins sounds like an amateur, a wannabe, trying to compensate for his lack of actual knowledge and professionalism.

    So, please show us all the varieties that you describe, with all those cameras that you say you claim to own, including all those film cameras you say you have, and you are obviously one who can say that you have tried it all in the past with various kinds of film, so please show us.

    I would be particularly grateful if you would post some excellent examples of the varying degrees of quality from the LX1 you so brilliantly describe.

    Thank you.

    Inter at 04:31am on Thursday, July 27, 2006

  27. Sorry to offend you Inter, never claimed to be anything, especially a professional!
    You are welcome to see my collection of cameras, slides and negatives from 1980-now, I am not in need of posting anything on a website, I share my images with people I like, family and friends.
    If I have helped someone along the way with my thoughts and ideas, I am very happy.

    nick in japan at 05:01am on Thursday, July 27, 2006

  28. and I appreciate it, Nick.

    Inter, even if you feel that Nick doesn't know his butt from a hole in the ground, you might try a little more civility. I come here for help, not verbal abuse and accusations.

    Marcosan at 05:29am on Thursday, July 27, 2006

  29. Thank you Marcosan, I would be happy to e-mail you, feel free to contact me at
    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) anytime! I just started working on images from this morning with the kids. Happy to have your support!
    You just qualified for "family and friends"!
    Semper Fi!

    nick in japan at 05:50am on Thursday, July 27, 2006

  30. just a question for Inter from Japan. Did you take lessons to be such a little man or are you naturally an tiny minded and such an ill-mannered uncivilized little creature?

    jmw at 03:18pm on Thursday, July 27, 2006

  31. Hey Inter, how about posting a link to your photos, because I would like to see what kind of images an asshole takes. Sorry I meant pinhole.

    TS at 03:27pm on Thursday, July 27, 2006

  32. Marcosan, if you are not going to shoot RAW, there are plenty of other point-and-shoots you should consider. Have you checked out the Canon SD700 IS (IXUS 800)? 4x zoom, image stabilizer, optical viewfinder, 6MP. Plus, the prices are falling. About $425 here in the US. It's also smaller than the LX2.

    TS at 03:39pm on Thursday, July 27, 2006

  33. You're welcome, Nick. Muchas Gracias. :)

    Marcosan at 03:42pm on Thursday, July 27, 2006

  34. TS, yes I'm still looking at the Canon and the Fuji F30 as well. I'd hate to give up the wide angle, though. :(

    Marcosan at 04:53pm on Thursday, July 27, 2006

  35. Marcosan, TS is correct! The competition is increasing, there may be some gret deals this summer, Canon makes some awesome point and shoot cameras, I get images from here in Japan and also from China, Canon is VERY popular, for good reason.
    IMHO, if you choose a camera without 28mm, you will be , really, narrowing your field of view, so to speak, and yearning for more angle!
    I think the competition will get pretty heated because I did a survey here, the digital market is wide open! The camera shop I surveyed is one of the largest around ( percentages are approximates)..Negative film processing= 60% of their business, digital=40%, of the negative, 35mm =85%, APS=15%

    nick in japan at 10:39pm on Thursday, July 27, 2006

  36. Marcosan, I detect the initial symptoms of Pogodanoia," an overwhelming indecision about the purchase of a camera"
    I would like to help, please e-mail me if you have not made a firm commitment yet.

    nick in japan at 01:40am on Friday, July 28, 2006

  37. Indecision? You have NO freakin' idea! You wouldn't believe how my friends harass me, and I won't tell you how long I've been procrastinating over this.
    I'll email ya when I get a chance.

    Marcosan at 05:04am on Friday, July 28, 2006

  38. Thanks! I'm usually on/off-line 0600-0700, 1200-1600, 1700-2100 Japan time, alternating between photoshop and internet.

    nick in japan at 06:54am on Friday, July 28, 2006

  39. >> "I don't think Leica and double A batteries
    >> should be mentioned in the same breath."
    > "I LOVE that quote!!"

    Interesting response. Do you reckon that Leica would've gained their level of reputation, brand support and success if, during the era of the mechanical 35mm era, they had used a proprietary sized film?

    Are these new Leica's no longer worth owning when the manufacturer chooses to discontinue manufacturing new proprietary batteries for this model?

    How many proprietary batteries does one need to manage a day or longer in the country shooting images and some video?

    I'd rather keep using my great travel charger and an 8-pack of AAs even when my current cam becomes a (still usable) hand-me-down. And I fully expect my next batch of inexpensive rechargable AAs to have ever higher capacity as well, not to mention them being easily available ten, even twenty years from now.

    Of course it is quite possible that the electronics of all these digital cameras will fail long before ten years is up, but that is another question about our increasingly disposable consumption culture.

    Patrick at 08:00am on Friday, July 28, 2006

  40. Amen! But, my little proprietary battery chargers work real well, all lined up, with their red, green and blue lights, like a real neat night-light!

    nick in japan at 08:22am on Friday, July 28, 2006

  41. Hey Patrick, how many posts do you need to make regarding AA batteries. AA batteries in digital cameras suck! They are large, and don't hold a charge. The LX2's battery will let you take 300 shots on a sigle charge. How about your AAs? Plus, the battery and charger come with the purchase of a camera, so what is the problem.

    Nobody is agreeing with you on this one, so move on.

    TS at 08:01pm on Friday, July 28, 2006

  42. I made one post saying I liked the LX2 but preferred AAs, and a second one elaborating why.

    I didn't know it would upset the opinion queen of this board, but thanks for the amusement.

    Patrick at 08:11pm on Friday, July 28, 2006

  43. Let's all try a bit harder to be a bit more civil, I'm the one with the thin skin and I took advice from Gary a long time ago, and it works... don't reply to a posting until you have done ALOT of thinking before it's typed!
    We have a great thread going here, millions of folks read it and we need to try and show a little respect for each other.
    We are all in the same interest group and bubbling over with ideas and questions, we just gotta remember a very important word, "Brotherhood", if not for ourselves, at least for the owner/ moderator of this site, Mr. Goldstein.
    Alot of us are frustrated that AA/AAA batteries arn't designed into a camera as the main, or back-up power system, some cameras just arn't big enough, or work better with a battery that is designed to fit into the only available space, and, the sales factor IS part of the equation too.
    IMHO !

    nick in japan at 09:28pm on Friday, July 28, 2006

  44. Civility is good, but common sense would also be welcome.

    Patrick wrongly suggested that AAs are a standard in digital cameras, which is certainly not true. Proprietary batteries are used in all kinds of electronic devices from cell phones, to laptop computers, to cameras. And, they are used to achieve certain design objectives like size, power, heat, and longevity.

    Patrick went on to compare Leica's battery choice to 35mm film. A correct analogy would be to compare film to memory cards.

    There's a lot to discuss about this new camera, like their proprietary lens, and their proprietary 16:9 format, and their proprietary image stabilizer, and YES their proprietary battery, as well. If it was not a proprietary design, there wouldn't be anything to talk about, or any reason to buy it.

    Kirk at 12:59am on Saturday, July 29, 2006

  45. I forgot three more things.
    1. TS might have been a little harsh.
    2. I followed Nick's advice, and waited before posting.
    3. Some conflict is useful and entertaining.

    Kirk at 01:05am on Saturday, July 29, 2006

  46. Hey Patrick -

    "Of course it is quite possible that the electronics of all these digital cameras will fail long before ten years is up, but that is another question about our increasingly disposable consumption culture."

    That's an interesting thing, isn't it?

    Electronics changed everything in life as this technology developed in the 20th century - that idea of "keeping up to date" is an oxymoron in itself, not something that should be based on nostalgia or our feelings towards memory per se; without the ease of consumption in the way we are able to properly dispose of anything, we couldn't even go to the toilet and take a crap in peace and simply flush it down the drains! Know what I'm getting at here? The point is, everything we make regarding electronics include things that are actually becoming increasingly INDISPOSABLE, because a majority of the stuff is not bio-degradable.

    Spock at 02:04am on Saturday, July 29, 2006

  47. Patrick, before we get back on thread regarding the LX2, I must indeed correct myself and acknowledge your concern regarding AA batteries. I'm of the opinion that products should indeed be made to last, and G-d forbid one of these cameras does indeed last 10 yrs, I too would be concerned about being able to obtain a power source. The camera should outlive the batteries, but I'm not up to speed on the proper storage techniques for Li-ion batteries or even what their storage life actually is.
    If I'm gentle on my camera and don't damage it, is it completely ridiculous to expect that I'd be able to obtain a power source without having to look in antique shops 10 yrs later?...okay, maybe Ebay.

    With film, yes, your camera can work 50 yrs later, but hear me now!...I'm NOT gonna wait for solar powered cameras.

    Patrick, I did indeed speak too soon, but on the other hand, I don't want the bulkiness that AA's necessitate. A quandry???

    Marcosan at 02:31am on Saturday, July 29, 2006

  48. In my camera collection, of mostly film cameras, MANY have a battery type that is no longer avalable, same with some medium format cameras that use film types that are no longer available readily.
    Many proprietary batteries will interchange with like camera models, but unique to the company, so availability will/may be no problem, even after 10 years. Guess we gotta resign ourselves to the fact that we are at the mercy of the battery folks!
    You guys may have problems if you still have that little beauty after that, I won't, I've only got about 15 years left, max, so I'm SAFE!!
    By the way, I love you guys!

    nick in japan at 04:29am on Saturday, July 29, 2006

  49. Back on thread...

    Does anyone have any input regarding the new Venus Engine III? The TZ1 is the only model currently using it.

    kirk at 04:56am on Saturday, July 29, 2006

  50. Another back on topic question....

    Can anyone provide input on the TZ1's video mode. I'll be upgrading from a Canon s50. My wife uses its video mode about as much as picture mode. So it looks like the TZ2 "could" be a nice hybrid option for us, right??

    Does anyone think they would ever use the hi def mode on kids?

    Thanks in advance.

    PS before you say it, yes I have a camcorder ...GS400.


    Newmie at 09:30pm on Monday, July 31, 2006

  51. "With film, yes, your camera can work 50 yrs later, but hear me now!...I'm NOT gonna wait for solar powered cameras."

    How much difference will it make to you, really? More than likely you'll be dead in less than that, and you can't take any of this with you, so, really, so it's going to make that much difference to you, really?

    All ya gotta do is go back 50 years from today, as a comparison, and then try to imagine what 50 years from now would be like - then you'll realize that none of what you're about concerned about will mean anything cos you'll be ####### dead.

    Interesting......... NOT!!!! at 02:53am on Tuesday, August 01, 2006

  52. Sounds like you're trying to make an argument that it's ok for a $500 camera to be disposable...phhht!

    I'm not saying that I EXPECT current digicams to last 50 yrs, but that I don't think that the lifespan should be dependent upon the availability of proprietary batteries. If my camera lasts a good 10 yrs, shouldn't I expect the batteries to be available then? Perhaps this is "planned obsolescence" on the part of the manufacturers?...give 'em a decent camera, but stop making the batteries.

    Marcosan at 04:21am on Wednesday, August 02, 2006

  53. This battery thing is spinning out of contol, sounds like CNN, PMSNBC....Batteries are plentiful and will be, because we need them! I cannot see a manufacturer NOT making/providing batteries for ANY model they produce, if they did, the reputation of that company would a point of bloggers all over the world and result in a decline in overall sales.
    Some old film camera batteries were phased out due to dangerous material content, mercury.

    nick in japan at 05:25am on Wednesday, August 02, 2006

  54. If you're worried about not having a proprietary battery 5 or 10 years from now, just buy a backup. They only cost about 20 bucks.

    TS at 06:15am on Wednesday, August 02, 2006

  55. "Perhaps this is "planned obsolescence" on the part of the manufacturers?"

    Hmmmm let's not call it that, that sounds harsh.

    I think it's more like "inevitable advances in conveniences and people's fondness for new stuff"
    just to put a more positive spin on it?

    We all want to move ahead. Change. Better. And then all of a sudden, someone comes up with the idea that by attaching propriretary stuff, it makes it that much more unique (but we all know it's can also be looked at as pigeon-holing, branding). But it is convenient if you stuck to the same manufacturer, same line up product, etc etc.
    Yeah they can also make more money, but if they did not make more money, there also would not be more new stuff!!!!!!

    TS has a very valid point. Just buy several backups! Even those have expiration on them, I am sure, that they would go bad if you did not use them within a specific time period or something, but I am sure you'll be good for at least the next 6 to 7 years. Now go back and think what it was like 6 years ago and see what we had back then!

    I appreciate all you guys' sense of nostalgia and all, but nostalgia is highly subjective and overrated!

    Chuck at 06:43am on Wednesday, August 02, 2006

  56. With digital technology moving so fast it makes sense to keep a camera for 2-3 years then flog it on eBay and buy a current model. This then makes the battery issue moot. That said I really like the battery and well designed small charger that came with my LX1.

    I've been eagerly awaiting the LX2 and have some mixed feelings about he changes/evolution. I took my LX1 on a 5 month trip to S.E. Asia this past winter and used it constantly with generally pretty good results. Here are some of my LX1 findings and LX2 comments:

    1. The black lens and dial look really great. I wish the LX1 had them.

    2. Why did they have to drop support for TIFF on the LX2? No one has mentioned this yet. I don't see this as an advancement. I shoot pretty much in TIFF exclusively with my LX1.

    3. Fussing with the lens cap turned out to be as big a drag as I thought it would be. Travel for 5 months, taking pictures constantly and you will see what I mean. I really wish they would have put some threads in front of the LX2's lens.

    4. The noise on the LX1 was problematic at times. Lets hope the claims about the Venus Engine 3 are not just exaggerated marketing hype. Time will tell.

    5. One of my biggest gripes with the LX1 after using it so extensively turned out to be with the flash. I'm not talking about the size, power, coverage ect... which I think are fine for it's size. My complaint is with the setting options and specifically with Slow Sync. Why is it only available with red eye reduction and why oh why is Slow Sync not available in shutter priority and manual modes? This totally defeats the purpose of a Slow Sync mode and limits creativity. If you can't control the shutter speed you can't control the blur. Urrrr.

    6. I haven't played with the film mode on my LX1 all that much but I am completely disappointed with the results that I did get. A short 30 fps 16x9 B&W film that I made looks like complete crap (blurry and lacking detail).

    7. While I like the speed and convenience of all the manual dials & buttons on the LX1 I did find that a few times after shooting in macro mode and then turning the camera off and putting it away I forgot to put the lens in normal shooting mode when I next used the camera. This is easily missed and while the screen looks sharp, if you shoot normal distance subjects with the macro setting your pics will not be as sharp as they could be. This is mostly my problem but I wish the camera defaulted to normal focus every time it's turned on.

    8. I like the LX2’s price drop but I'm not so sure about cramming more pixels on the already crowded sensor.

    zymonk at 08:42pm on Friday, August 04, 2006

  57. Zymonk, great feedback and evaluation of the LX1, as well as some
    pertinent LX2 comments. Thanks.

    GARY POGODA at 02:26pm on Saturday, August 05, 2006

  58. Does anyone have a recommendation between the LX2 and the Samsung NV10. They are both to be available on Sep 2006. I am trying to determine which one to buy. Please help.

    Thanks you in advanced!

    Loc at 03:31pm on Saturday, August 05, 2006

  59. Gary, Zymonk makes an interesting point about picture degradation with the LX-1, in reguards to the settings. The question I have is this, do you remenber any SPECIFIC data about said degradation in any reviews?
    The Japanese manual eludes to "slight" difference between selecting the close focus over normal. I never saw a distinguisable difference, so always leave it on the close-focus setting for all normal shooting.
    It will be interesting if the LX-2 has the same choice for shooters, and exactly what the degradation amounts to, especially for folks that want to do some big images, and need the best possible image.

    nick in japan at 05:02am on Sunday, August 06, 2006

  60. I'm looking forward to get the DMC-LX2. I know it will be launched in US on the 30th of September but I have the opportunity to go to Tokyo by the end of August and I was wondering if the stuff could be allready available there. Does anyone know something about that ?

    simon in beijing at 12:22am on Wednesday, August 09, 2006

  61. Simon, this is what I know, I put my LX-2 on order a couple weeks ago, the manager of the shop I deal with said that because the camera is new, he cannot discount it until September. I expect that the LX-2 will be on sale here the end of August or begining of September. When I get a more exact date I will post it. After they hit the stores my order will go in, and, a discount will be available, funny how that works!
    I got my first LX-1 way before it was available in America, I suppose the same shipping situation may exist, but remember, Leica had a part, alot of us think, in the lack of availability, maybe due to the re-routing to Leica to make the D-Lux_2, they may end up doing the same with this new model, I don;t think anyone really knows now. A friend in Canada tried to get one, the camera shop there in Ladner couldn't even order one.
    LX-1 Black bodies seemed to sell out, silver models are available here, but no black ones in stock locally.

    nick in japan at 05:24am on Wednesday, August 09, 2006

  62. Simon, an update.... Got a call a few minutes ago, LX-2 is supposed to be in shops for sale here in Iwakuni on August 25th.

    nick in japan at 08:09am on Wednesday, August 09, 2006

  63. Thanks nick for your reply. That's great news, especially because I should be in Tokyo until the 26th. So if it is available in Iwakuni, I hope it will be in Tokyo as well. Would you recommand a good adress to get it for sure in Tokyo ? For the reccord, the LX-1 Silver is for sale at RMB 3400 in Beijing (USD 425). By the way, what is the target price in Japan for the LX-2 ?

    simon in beijing at 10:46am on Wednesday, August 09, 2006

  64. Sorry Simon, last time I was in Tokyo was on my way to Vietnam in '66, I'm about an hour south of Hiroshima. I'll check on the listed price tomorrow for you. I don't know how close your ties are with japan, but the prices here are jacked up bigtime, most Japanese just pay list price, I don't, when they can discount stuff 15% and still make a big profit, it's time to dicker!
    There are very famous camera stores in Tokyo that are well know for new and used stuff, at good prices, volume selling, you should be able to ask while there, and get good results, probably beating what I can get it for here !
    Good luck,lottsa folks are anxious to hear what your impressions of the camera are, especially in the noise areas!

    nick in japan at 12:09pm on Wednesday, August 09, 2006

  65. New slogans:

    "If it's Panny, it's noisy!"

    "Panasonic, for noise demonic!"


    Cargo at 06:01pm on Wednesday, August 09, 2006

  66. Here ya go, mate:

    It says it is expected on AUGUST 25.

    But, it's also going to be $100 more expensive than it will be in the U.S. If that's worth it to you, then by all means get it there - I also do not know if the CD that comes with it will have English versions of the software (if there are going to be any). Why not wait another month for it to come out in the U.S.? By then we will have had Japanese reviews and reports and decide if we really want it.

    I've had the LX1 since November of last year - and I've loved every minute of it. Of course, there are certain snags, but in the end, the photos look fairly decent, I never expected much more than what it is, so I've actually really enjoyed it. I also do not mind shoving it in the backpocket/frontpocket of my jeans (the jeans feels a little tighter, is all), and I still do that. I have a little shoulder case for it that can carry the charger, a spare battery and an extra memory card (I use two 1 Gigs, that's enough for me).
    I love framing with the 16:9. - I don't shoot anything else, and I think I am better at composing with the wider shots than the normal 4:3 or 3:2 for some reason - I really like to push the framing to the edges with the wide angle and am getting some nice results.
    I also don't worry about the noise - I just don't shoot at the high ISO, and generally use a tripod for extended exposures - and now that I know its tendencies, I also know not to go past 8 seconds for anything and the results are good, actually! I also like my shots to be very contrasty and shadowy, so I close down a lot more even in daylight shots, and I enjoy the way the results look - my friends and colleagues say that some of them are dark, but I never photograph people, so I don't give a #### what they say, know wot I mean? Even with some night shots without the tripod, if I know I am going to shoot street-lamp/store-lit scenes, I push the flash with the Manual settings and I can still get decent, moody night shots. Try it.

    I am definitely going to but the new one - if not just for the 16:9 LCD, definitely for the bigger chip and the new engine. I know I can get very nice results.

    AA at 07:23pm on Wednesday, August 09, 2006

  67. Simon, AA makes a few good points you should think about, you will not get the English manual too, of course the LX-1 manual was written, probably as the LX-2 manual, so figuring some stuff out will be easy, a Japanese translator will be needed for the rest. You may be able to reduce that $100 difference by dickering, and, also ask for "No Tax ?", that is currently 5%( expected to rise to 10-15% within a couple years)
    I use my LX-1, daily, image 3554 yesterday, still loving it!
    The new engine processing will be the key factor in deciding the evolution of this little beauty! (IMHO)

    nick in japan at 11:18pm on Wednesday, August 09, 2006

  68. I cannot wait the launch in the US because actually I live in China, and up to what I heard, the LX2 won’t be available here before December. For the manuals in Japanese, it is not a problem because I never though these were really useful. I also own the DMC-LC1 (a real piece of art this one, I just love it) and I never opened any manual, the design & conception of the menus being so natural that how to use each function becomes obvious. Then for the CD, I never used these neither, just take the photos out and use Photoshop which is always better than any software given buy the camera brands. Thanks AA for your the websites, I definitely will try to book it to make sure I will have one on the 25th !

    simon in beijing at 12:56am on Friday, August 11, 2006

  69. I just found a Japanese LX2 release on quite well done with all ISO values. What do you guys think about it, especially those who already use LX1? I find LX2 looks noisy but only from ISO 800. Pretty good no ?

    simon in beijing at 01:25am on Friday, August 11, 2006

  70. The IS allows shooting at about 3 stops slower, the proof will be the reviews from users/testers. Like any new camera, we should all go slowly until enough info will give us an assurance of what it do for our individual needs, and, wants. Personally, ASA of 400 is enough for me, an average shooter. Like film cameras, did you buy alot of ASA 800 or above film? I didn't think either!

    nick in japan at 05:01am on Friday, August 11, 2006

  71. Good point Nick!

    I never bought film with an ASA above 100, and I have never used a setting above 100 on my digital cameras. And, I never shoot JPEG.

    So, we'll see what the 100 RAW looks like with the the LX2. I am hopeful.

    TS at 04:42pm on Friday, August 11, 2006

  72. TS, there are times that you might want to explore a couple ASA changes! There are times when the finer picture that we want with ASA 80/100, will not be able to achieved due to the lack of light, and, it CAN be gotten with a higher ASA setting. I know exactly how you feel, I think we are all reluctant to jack up the ASA, but, IMHO, it's a trade off, that boost in speed can make a big difference in the blur factor which is a trade off for a bit more grain/noise. I usually shoot my 10/20D, and D70 at ASA 200, going to 100 on the Canons when I'm absolutely sure it is bright enough to maintain my speed objective.
    When I shoot film, rarely now, I will usually go for ASA 400, the quality of films nowadays is so advanced that 400 is like the old 100 films, progress in sensor/processing engines will increase quality too, I sometimes go to 100 with the LX-1 with good results( Light is the key)

    nick in japan at 11:09pm on Friday, August 11, 2006

  73. Well Nick, I guess I am set in my ways. In the old days, any high ASA film or transparency didn't have the quality. I always shot Kodachrome 25 or later Velvia 50. I guess B&W film ran higher. PlusX I think was 125, and TriX was probably double that.

    Using slow film meant buying bigger glass, more tripod use, panning during action sequences, or using a flash. But, with much better results than higher ASA. Nowadays, if you want special effects or grain you can add it in Photoshop, but removing noise is more difficult. So, I always prefer to have the cleanest, highest definition original I can get, and that means low ASA. And it is even more important today with digital cameras. To me, film grain has much nicer qualities than digital noise.

    I like the concept of the LX2, with the nice lens, and small form factor, but I worry about the noise. We'll soon see if 100 RAW is good enough for my taste.

    TS at 04:03pm on Saturday, August 12, 2006

  74. ISO 80 was the lowest with the LX1 and from what I've read, the lowest the LX2 will go is 100. I wonder why? Surly lower is less noisy in the appropriate light.

    zymonk at 07:16pm on Saturday, August 12, 2006

  75. No, a lower ISO produces less noise in every situation.

    Compare image samples from any digital camera. As one example, here's a look at night shots with the LX1, which should be a perfect candidate for a higher ISO setting:

    TS at 11:08pm on Saturday, August 12, 2006

  76. I think Gary may add something here with the ASA issue, my previous comments about films with higher ASAs was for general/ family shooting. Finer granied 120/220 medium format as well as minature film ( 35mm) was always no higher than ASA 160. I have many frozen rolls of Velvia 50, and some pro 160 Kodak left over,that was always for serious stuff, for general photography I loved the Agfa and Fuji ASA 400, even 800 sometimes, still great for 8x12 prints.

    nick in japan at 01:01am on Sunday, August 13, 2006

  77. Any news on the release date and availability at online stores? Finally settled at this camera as my first digital camera. Still can't believe I resisted the temptation for all these years, so I hope this camera won't dissapoint. Portability was the main reason for not going for a digital SLR.

    Still keeping my film SLR ready for really special moments.

    JJ at 07:01am on Thursday, August 17, 2006

  78. JJ, alot of folks are awaiting test/evaluation of this new model. It is smaller than a dslr, but not as small as many pocketable cameras out there. I don't feel comfortable with it in a shirt pocket, but many do and I even read somewhere that someone actually got it into their pant's pocket, guess it's a generation thing, I have trouble getting myself into my jeans.
    The lens protrusion I consider necessary for the quality, versatility of the lens,a nice piece of work!
    Being the second generation, this new model will be a step up, we hope, especially with noise.
    I'm getting one too, I have that much faith!

    nick in japan at 07:23am on Thursday, August 17, 2006

  79. Nick, thanks for constructive and timely reply as usual (...been following LX1 and LX2 threads). As long as the size is sacrificed for a quality lense, I don't care. After all usually only small change goes into the pocket, notes go into a nice wallet, so no problem carrying it in a pouch. Somehow, from all the posts here and elsewhere I was made to believe that noise is not an issue if properly post-processed and given the high quality of images, they can bear considerably more post-processing than those coming out of many other p/s cameras.

    JJ at 09:26am on Thursday, August 17, 2006

  80. JJ, I have found that noise is the one thing that is most upsetting with the LX-1. I find it creeeping in, in the sky mostly, no problem with close-ups. I shoot only JPEG, and use Photoshop to clean it up, but , it takes time.
    The "Wow" factor is real, 16x9 with the higher pixel count is something. Leica thought enough to risk their reputation by re-badging it with a Leica Logo.
    I wish you good shooting, lottsa folks have mixed emotions about it, but after using it, seem to usually adore it as something special.
    Got a typhoon bearing down on us, probably won't be shooting tomorrow.
    Thanks for your kind words!
    Semper Fi!

    nick in japan at 09:50am on Thursday, August 17, 2006

  81. Simon's posting of the Japanese review of the LX2 provides a very promising picture of the noise issue. The images are very small but from what I can tell, there is little noise even at 3200 ISO. Hope the review keeps its promise, and I'll be out looking for this camera.

    James Jesudason at 06:34pm on Saturday, August 19, 2006

  82. 1) Noise will be the main issue...we'll see. 3200 I'm extremely skeptical about.

    2) For ME, Jpeg is what it's all about. Even if it takes excellent photos after much pre-processing, if it doesn't take good jpeg photos out of the camera, it's not the camera for me.

    3) As for size, if the camera turns out to be noticeably superior to the LX1, it will absolutely become THE belt pouch camera, and I'm sure that tons of folks will invent ways to make it easier and more convenient to carry. I don't want that bulge in my pants pocket (way too big for shirt) no matter how "comfortable" people say it is. I don't my female friends to confuse it with the other bulge and think I'm deformed.

    So where's the link to Simon's pre-assessment, and would I be mistaken to assume you're referring to dpreview's Simon Joinson???

    I hate getting my hope up on these cameras. If not this camera, believe it or not, I'll probably wait for a Fuji F30 with OIS or an improved Sony T30 with manual white balance, or Panny FX__ with a better sensor. I will NOTNOTNOT buy a digicam without OIS.

    End of rant...out of breath.

    Hi Nick. :)

    Marcosan at 07:13pm on Saturday, August 19, 2006

  83. Hi Marcosan! ASA 3200 is a sensitivity that, IMHO, shouldn't even be considered, even in mid-range DSLRs, grain is there (Noise). The wizards at Nikon got control of it with the D2h, but, even in the world of film cameras, ASA is an area most people dont go to. The LX-2 will be a hit IF noise is very low at ASA 400. I go there with the Canon 10/20D, and Nikon D70, but even with these cameras, I prefer not to!
    Very cloudy yesterday before the rain, so I shot my daily quota at 400 (20D/Bigma) Nice, rich colors, but obvious noiser when enlarged, I like to shoot at ASA 200 for good results But we are talking here about a much smaller sensor and expectations have got to be realistic! Until everyone goes to Nikon school and see what they did with the D2h COMOS sensor, then adapt a smaller version to our point and shoots, mathematically, we gonna get mo noise!!!
    Nikon tweaked their CMOS type D2H sensor to even result in web-sites that tout images shot ONLY at ASA3200.
    I think we are at an interim point in compact digital, patiently waiting while the engine processors trials with these weanie CCD sensors go on, and, on, and watching the refusal to market a weanie CMOS that could, maybe, solve all out problems

    nick in japan at 10:41pm on Saturday, August 19, 2006

  84. Couldn't agree with ya more, Nick, but for me, I have to qualify a bit. If the LX2 doesn't GOOD! jpegs at 400, that'll be the ticket for me.
    I'm a relative newbie and don't wanna spend my life pp'ing.

    Yes, at this point, a larger sensor would do the trick, but that would compromise the size of the box. If the pocket digicam makers would STOP the megapixel race and concentrate on better sensors and less obtrusive noise reduction (kudos, Fuji), that would go a long way toward better IQ. Like I said, if Fuji had OIS, I grab one in a heartbeat.

    Also, the user interfaces need to be improved if the manufacturers want to keep a chunk of the P & S'ers like me. The LX2 will hopefully do good ISO 400 and keep me interested enough to master it over time. The reviews will tell.

    ISO 3200...what a freakin' joke for a pocket cam! But the dummy consumers fall for it because they don't know the math, physics, photographic optics, sensors, etc. They only know that bigger numbers are usually better...phhhht!

    Marcosan at 11:07pm on Saturday, August 19, 2006

  85. Gotta agree, Marcosan, the 3200 ASA is something to reach for, so we can expand our techniques, for some really interesting shots, but the makers have got to learn to walk , before they run, so to speak! And, as you elude to, those numbers suck in folks that want the present day pocket camera to do everything!
    Give us sharp , sharp, noiseless, 28-150mm IS compact cameras , up to ASA 400, and we can spend our time complaining about other things!

    nick in japan at 01:43am on Sunday, August 20, 2006

  86. That would do it for me.
    Is that too much to ask for?

    oh yeah...intuitive interface and quick performance too.

    Simple :)

    Marcosan at 02:49am on Sunday, August 20, 2006

  87. I wish the reviewers had a list of features that can be considered as essential in present cameras and then rate the cameras accordingly. In that case the LX1 would score highly because it has EVERYTHING except the noise performance. By the way, I haven't bothered with the noise in LX1 and always shoot in iso 80 - never ventured into situations that need higher iso.

    On the ohter hand, cameras like fuji f30 would get a lower rating if done against the list - no OIS, no 28 mm, no 16x9, no compact body (in spite of using a smaller sensor) .. LX2's iso 3200 pictures looks very promising and very good (if you step back a little) - though I'm sure I'll never use it. Hope this model satisfies all the critics and gets it the credit that it deserves.

    Li at 08:20am on Sunday, August 20, 2006

  88. Joke: "Hey, did ya hear the one about the LX2's 3200 ISO?"

    Can you provide a link to those "very promising" and "very good" 3200 ISO pics????

    If I crop/blow them up, I'd bet that Monet will suddenly appear on my screen, right? :)

    Marcosan at 08:47am on Sunday, August 20, 2006

  89. Li makes a good point. What other cameras compete in this category?

    Canon has the SD700IS, but no RAW, only 6 MP, small lens, expensive, but it does have an optical viewfinder. Ricoh GR-D has a fixed 28mm lens, takes 14 seconds to write a RAW file, no OIS, and costs a lot more.

    Are there any other competing P&S cameras that shoot RAW and have OIS? I don't care about high ISO performance, because I only shoot at the lowest setting.

    TS at 06:17pm on Sunday, August 20, 2006

  90. The Canon S70 is 2 years old, but it's a 7MP pocket camera that shoots RAW. It does not have an Image Stabilizer. The newer S80 does not have RAW.

    kirk at 07:07pm on Sunday, August 20, 2006

  91. Its like watching a race. Cant wait till its over and we can see some results. This could be the first digital camera for me. Still with the dinosaurs - F2 is a great camera.

    Beeman at 09:32pm on Sunday, August 20, 2006

  92. I just followed the link in post 69 and there is a LX2 snap of a teddy bear taken at iso 3200. The text is all in japanese but I downloaded the picture and looked at the properties to make sure its taken from an LX2 at 3200. As I said, its very good and very promising - unless the pictures are fakes ..

    Li at 11:19pm on Sunday, August 20, 2006

  93. I do not think that that single pic is representative of 3200 ISO. More samples are necessary to make judgements. Time will tell, but not now...

    Marcosan at 02:16am on Monday, August 21, 2006

  94. There are MANY variables here Marcosan, the camera has settings that you can use to tweak noise, and other factors. Until a diagnosis with those user adjustments is made, we just don't know , as you imply, but that site seems to show a realistic graduation of noise from ASA 100-3200,and , I must say, the little guy looks like it will be very popular!

    nick in japan at 02:52am on Monday, August 21, 2006

  95. Like I said, all I'm looking for is a solid 400 ISO jpeg...not much to ask for, I think. Fingers crossed....

    Marcosan at 03:48am on Monday, August 21, 2006

  96. The LX2 announcements does mention iso 3200 in high sensitivity mode.

    I think this means it can't be selected manually but in one of the scene modes. In any case it looks like Panasonic has done some homework regarding the noise issue.

    And yes, you can add Raw to the feature list for the reviewers. And widescreen movie ..

    Li at 07:45am on Monday, August 21, 2006

  97. Thanks Li! So I go to dpreview, read it and get a warm, fuzzy feeling, until the very last spec, yep! It's like the folks at Panasonic, and dpreview, cant use a rule, just kinda ruins the mood when they keep insisting the little gem is about 1" thick! Again, I'll remind them, that alot of folks don't appreciate deliberate mis-representation of a product. I wish a reviewer would CORRECT the lie, dpreview gets a big BOO also!
    I know Mark will do us all right!!!

    nick in japan at 08:43am on Monday, August 21, 2006

  98. I think we all need a reality check here. Go back to the LX1 comment
    thread (the one at the top of the Most Comments list), and remember
    the excitement that the camera generated, only to let us all down with
    a CCD so noisy it was laughable.

    And what makes you think that a 10 megapixel CCD will be less noisy
    than an 8 megapixel CCD of the same size. It will be more noisy.

    As for RAW, the LX1's RAW was too slow to be usable. Sure, the LX2
    will have a faster engine, but it had better be a lot faster with the 25%
    larger image to process compared to the LX1.

    If you learned anything from the LX1, don't be fooled again (or words
    to that effect). :)

    P.S. I hope I'm wrong.

    GARY POGODA at 10:22am on Monday, August 21, 2006

  99. IMHO the folks that were let down are the folks that never even held the camera in their hands, and even refused my generous offer to use my personal camera.
    Trying to remember all the threads from folks that regretted getting the camera, trying to rationalize why some people are determined to downgrade, and belittle the camera and it's owners... maybe it's late and the alcohol is talking!
    I can't remember anyone ever coming close to calling it a perfect camera, but I can remember lottsa folks happy with it, and very anxious to, maybe, own an upgrade, I don't consider that foolish!

    nick in japan at 12:12pm on Monday, August 21, 2006

  100. But if you go back and read all 773 posts :), you will see the dozens
    of people that were initially interested, and dropped out after learning
    of the LX1's poor noise performance.

    GARY POGODA at 05:28pm on Monday, August 21, 2006

  101. Yes, noise is a problem. I would pay more for a better quality image, because I like everything else this camera offers.

    BTW Gary, write time for a LX1 RAW file is 3.4 seconds. That is 4x faster than the Ricoh GR-D. Do you consider that too slow to be usable? Are there any other small cameras that do better, or even offer RAW?

    TS at 05:57pm on Monday, August 21, 2006

  102. Toooo many pixels on a sensor this size.

    Once again, the marketing dept. wins out over the quality dept. I wish they'd put no more than 6-7mp on these sensors.

    Marcosan at 06:47pm on Monday, August 21, 2006

  103. Simple solution Marcosan... you can set the LX2 to take images at 10MP, 8MP, or 6MP. So, I am glad they did not make it a 6-7MP camera. But, I would like a bigger CCD for better quality 10MP images.

    TS at 07:09pm on Monday, August 21, 2006

  104. Oh, you thilly goose...downrezzing has nothing to do with it.
    IQ is all about photoreceptor (pixel) capability, size, and density. Eliminating pixels doesn't do anything to help, but does decrease the resolution. Increasing pixel size helps, but you have to subsequently increase the size of the sensor...even moreso if you wish to increase the number of pixels (resolution).

    With the tiny sensors in these "pocket" digicams, they should concentrate more on bettering the CCD technology or stop playing the pixel count game, which ain't gonna happen. Then again, they could take a look at what Fuji is doing and be jealous. :)

    Marcosan at 07:36pm on Monday, August 21, 2006

  105. Marcosan, do you really care about quality if you want a 6MP camera that only records images in JPEG format. A good sensor is wasted on in-camera processing and JPEG compression.

    TS at 08:23pm on Monday, August 21, 2006

  106. TS, firstly you're mixing questions. I didn't say I ONLY wanted Jpeg, but I did say that I'd like the jpeg compression option to be GOOD, which means "yes!", I do care about quality, even if it's only 6mp and subject to jpeg compression. Some cameras do this better than others, no?
    Secondly, I would also disagree with you that a good sensor is wasted on in-camera processing and jpeg compression. It sounds like you may be on the verge of dSLR snobbishness...or is that RAW snobbishness? :)
    Any "pocketable" digicam should be able to take good jpegs. If the processing engine is bad, that's another story.

    Lens + sensor + processing engine is what makes the "full" picture, so to speak. :)

    Marcosan at 10:15pm on Monday, August 21, 2006

  107. #104..CCD may be the future, but for some of us that are amazed by Nikon's 4 mp images as a result of CMOS/ MOS/ LBCAST R&D, I think that the future is in that area, even if Nikon went to mega-pixels.
    I can't talk about the compexity of those things, but I sure do like the results.
    I would LOVE to find a D2h/s at a reasonable price !

    nick in japan at 10:45pm on Monday, August 21, 2006

  108. yup, apples and oranges. The LX2 is "almost" trying to be a bridge between the two technologies, and the knucklehead in all of us wants the best of both worlds...small size and BIG performance. But as I discovered when I bought a hybrid/cross bike a few years back, I ended up with a lousy mountain bike AND a lousy road bike. Fortunately, the type of bike riding I do most is a combo of the two and therefore the BEST bike for me! When I start to do rides of more than 40 miles, I'll get a dSLR...oops..road bike. ;)

    Marcosan at 11:21pm on Monday, August 21, 2006

  109. The LX1's 3.4 second RAW write time is better than most, if not all,
    cameras in its class. Even so, I would still only use it sparingly. The
    ideal would be to shoot RAW + JPEG all the time, but there really is
    no camera in the LX1 class with enough horsepower for this type of

    GARY POGODA at 02:37am on Tuesday, August 22, 2006

  110. Marcosan... Quality is a relative term. 6MP and JPEG does not = quality to me, but that doesn't mean it can't be great for you.

    TS at 03:06am on Tuesday, August 22, 2006

  111. Quality is indeed a relative term. Heck, my buddy's a pro photographer and he'll tell ya flat out that he'd never be caught using anything but a dSLR. That being said, the quality of a pic is not mere pixels, resolution, and hardware. It's usually much more about the photographer's experience and compositional skills. Hell, there's a Fuji F30 user on the dpreview forums that EVERYBODY agrees is a master of his craft and camera. His 6mp photos are astounding. Now if you're looking to blow them up to giant poster sizes.....

    Marcosan at 03:22am on Tuesday, August 22, 2006

  112. Yep, you're right! In the end, it is all about the image, and the camera is only a small part of the equation.

    So, will the LX2 work for me? It would not be my main camera, but I think it would make a nice point & shoot. I also think the quality will be good enough by using the lowest ISO setting, RAW, and Noise Ninja when needed.

    TS at 04:57am on Tuesday, August 22, 2006

  113. I see the LX2 aviliable from Hong Kong on ebay. Anyone know if this is a smart way to buy this camera?

    Gunnar Dav at 11:12pm on Tuesday, August 22, 2006

  114. Marcosan, JPEG is good for snapshots, but not for an image you may want to blowup and put on the wall.

    JPEG is a lossy compression that produces visible artifacts and causes data loss. Camera companies have to license JPEG, so one company does not have a better form of JPEG than another.

    kirk at 06:27pm on Wednesday, August 23, 2006

  115. Kirk, I do indeed know what jpeg is. I also know what "lossy" compression is, mpeg, wav files, dts and dolby digital encoding are as well. Do I win a prize?

    The LX2 is what I consider a "hybrid" or "bridge" camera. It's more capable than a standard compact point and shoot, but it's less capable than a dSLR. And guess what?...if you're gonna use the LX2's RAW data to blow something up (poster size) to hang on a wall or sell as artwork, I can guarantee you that the LX2 is gonna suck wind nearly as bad as any other point and shoot.
    We're talking mini (not micro) ccd, not giant (by comparison) CMOS. We're talking rinky dink little piece of glass with little light gathering capability, not a giant piece of dSLR glass. Believe it or not, I DO know the difference.

    Fortunately, my demands aren't much more than what a traditional compact point & shoot usually provides. I don't plan on blowing anything up to poster size or selling my pics. P&S cameras aren't meant for that...unless you're selling your photos in retirement homes. ;)

    Marcosan at 09:38pm on Wednesday, August 23, 2006

  116. I gotta get in my humble opinion here fellas, Call them whatever you wish, SOME cameras in the pocketable size WILL produce images that ,do indeed, blow up to poster sized, great looking prints from JPEG images.
    If you are talking wall-sized prints, then RAW is necessary, but with the noise reduction software contained in pro printers, and with a good image to start with, lottsa folks dont even bother with RAW.
    From images posted to compare the LX-1 with the LX-2, thanks to "Li" in the UK for the link, the LX-2 appears to be a camera that alot of pros will carry for back-up, and personal snaps.

    nick in japan at 10:15pm on Wednesday, August 23, 2006

  117. Well, since I'm no pro, and will NEVER carry a dSLR camera, the LX2 might be the ticket. Here's hoping that it works ok in dimly lit rooms, dusk, and steet lights. I'm not looking for F30-type low light performance...although it sure as heck would be nice. I just wish they'd stop pixel stuffing these cameras.

    Marcosan at 10:45pm on Wednesday, August 23, 2006

  118. My post was meant to be helpful, since your earlier posts had some misleading and erroneous statements regarding JPEG.

    I don't know why you were so offended? I am not trying to infringe on your "dolby" digital photo sales to retirement communities. I bet your cat photos are a real hit with the blue hairs!

    kirk at 11:45pm on Wednesday, August 23, 2006

  119. Dolby Digital photo sales...I like that!
    Actually, I merely used that term as another example of a codec (like jpeg, mpeg), even though it's audio related. Indeed, if there was such a thing as a DD photo, I'm sure people would buy into the technology based on the name alone.

    BTW, I don't being corrected at all. What did I write that was incorrect? I was just trying to be slightly mean, not full bore. Sorry about that, chief.

    Sure, you blow up ANY photo to poster size, but what size are we talking about? How many pixels? How far away is the viewing distance? Yeah, for birthday party posters and the like, a P&S camera can do ok, but would you really wanna try hanging/selling 2'x3' posters as "art"? Maybe so, but I think most pros would scoff. And most blueheads wouldn't notice. Let's lighten up.
    And btw, I don't own a cat, but I've owned a pet box turtle for the last 38 yrs. I'm sure he wouldn't mind a jpeg blowup of himself in the living room. :)

    Marcosan at 12:06am on Thursday, August 24, 2006

  120. You're funny! I got a good laugh from your reply!

    I am not a pro either, and I don't plan on selling any photos. But, photography is a hobby of mine, and one day I might want to hang some photos around the house. When I travel, I don't like lugging a big camera around. Plus, the airlines might not allow carry-ons anymore. And, with street photography you want something small and inconspicuous... like the black LX2.

    This camera has its niche, and there are professionals photographers using the LX1. As an example, take a look at Skip Hunt's work at

    Don't sell it short. I bet this little digicam can produce some big results.

    kirk at 12:57am on Thursday, August 24, 2006

  121. Kirk, trust me....I ain't about to sell it short until the reviews start coming in. I do see lots of potential if it does moderately well in lower light situations.

    Apologies for my atrocious I think I left out several words in my last post...probably due to the jpeg coding on my keyboard. Should've read; "BTW, I don't MIND being corrected at all", and "Sure, you CAN blow up any photo to size". My bads.
    Too bad ya can't go back and edit the posts.

    Marcosan at 03:19am on Thursday, August 24, 2006

  122. Looks like the LX2 is already out in Asia. Anyone got hold of it yet? Eagerly awaiting first impressions! Also, any updates on worldwide release date?

    JJ at 06:59am on Friday, August 25, 2006

  123. Just ordered one from Japan (I'm in Europe) should have it in my sweaty palms early next week.

    skidd at 03:19pm on Friday, August 25, 2006

  124. Skidd, congrats! I would love to hear your opinion and see real live samples.

    TS at 04:06pm on Friday, August 25, 2006

  125. I'm jealous! Where did you order? Do you have a website?

    kirk at 04:09pm on Friday, August 25, 2006

  126. Took a chance on a Jap ebayer, 99.9% feedback, I won't divulge anymore info until it arrives in working order. He's even putting the OSD in english for Japanese isn't that hot ;)


    skidd at 04:55pm on Friday, August 25, 2006

  127. I put in a pre-order for this camera, but now I am having second thoughts after looking at the LX1 manual.
    I have a specific question that may not be of interest to most of you:
    I'll explain what I am looking for, and please add your 2 cents and tell me to keep my order or drop it.
    I like the portability of a small digital camera and I don't need many frills. I could get a digital SLR, but this camera could be very convenient to pack. Here's the rub - I like doing night photography with my film camera.
    Especially aurora photos, which need a long exposure, a fast lens, and a wide angle. And the LX2 fits the bill with 28mm, f2.8, and up to 60 sec exposure. I would typically do 28mm, f2.8, ISO 400 for 15 seconds on film. And I noticed in the LX1 manual that there was an automated "starry night" setting that did Dark Frame Subtraction, which is nice, but the camera was limited to ISO 80 on that setting. Way too slow. It would take 60 seconds at that setting to get a good exposure and the aurora would be a big smudge.

    I can do the Dark Frame Subtraction myself via software, if I can get by with a manual setting on the LX2 and do 15-30 sec exposures and set the aperture and ISO myself, without using the "starry night" setting. But are long exposures a problem with noise on the LX2s? I know the LX1s had problems with noise in general.
    Do any of you have similar experience that you can relate on the LX1. Or, is there a copy of the user's manual anywhere for the LX2 that I can examine? Anyone have experience with low light photography that can give some input?

    Thanks for any input.

    Chris at 06:45am on Saturday, August 26, 2006

  128. Chris, I've done some night shots using lx1 - handheld and tripod. The results are good enough for me and since I don't own a SLR I have nothing to compare. I think the ideal exposure is 4 seconds at iso 80 or 100. Anything above this the picture gets very noisy and degrades badly. With lx1, you can't really use iso 200 or 400 because of the noise, but so far I've not needed them ..

    If you want some samples, drop me a mail at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) and I'd be glad to send some.

    Li at 07:03am on Saturday, August 26, 2006

  129. skidd, that price is good, the LX-2 sells, right now for $533. USD, here in Iwakuni. As I mentioned before, I am waiting till the manager can give me a discount, any day now. The manual will be in Japanese, but the English version LX-1 manual is a download, no reason not to believe that the LX-2 manual will be along shortly!
    As I have mentioned before, I am an avid user of the LX-1, and for what it's worth, I send this.. A few days ago I dropped it at the swimming hole we frequent, hard on the rocks, luckily it didn't slide in the water, but the lens housing was dented badly, preventing the articulation of the lens itself. When I got back home I called the Manager of the camera shop and he said that lens replacement would exceed $300 dollars, so, Little Joe held it firmly, and with a butter knife and a small hammer, I wacked it 3 times! presto-Chango, it worked, I ran a complete test of the system the following day and, no problems, except for a bit of "Character". I am happy to say that I believe this camera is very well-built, as I expected all sorts of internal damage too.

    nick in japan at 08:38am on Saturday, August 26, 2006

  130. Well I know that US retailers are going to be selling them at $449 on the 30th of sept but I can't wait that long as I'm going travelling before then.

    Already had the same thought about dowloading the English manual, in the mean time I'll get the LX-1 version - should get me started :)

    Only worry is the warrenty is a 1-yr Japenese, not international...hey-ho...

    skidd at 09:17am on Saturday, August 26, 2006

  131. Chris, not to slight this blog or anything, but I would post your question on the Panasonic Forum at Many more folks visit those forums.

    Marcosan at 03:50pm on Saturday, August 26, 2006

  132. Chris, you mentioned that you liked the "28mm" wide lens of the LX2.
    In case it matters, the LX2 is 28mm wide only if you shoot at 16:9. If
    you shoot at 4:3, for example, the wide end is actually 34mm.

    GARY POGODA at 04:08pm on Saturday, August 26, 2006

  133. Marcosan..Dpreview doesn't know what the actual thickness of the LX is, for that reason alone, I don't visit them. I bet Mark gets it right when he reviews the LX-2!
    Gary... Who shoots at 4:3 anymore? Surely not folks that use the LX!

    nick in japan at 10:17pm on Saturday, August 26, 2006

  134. Nick..Dpreview reprints the specs on their specs page exactly as the manufacturer gives it to them. Hopefully, they make commentary within the body of their review if the specs significantly differ from what the manufacturer proclaims.

    That being said, if you're taking issue with the claim that the LX1 was stated as 1" thick in the specs, I'd agree with your angst. The lens is big enough and protrudes enough such that the thickness (depth) should have indeed been listed as closer to 2".

    It's totally your choice, but I find out lots of helpful info on their forums, but yes, they kiss a little manufacturer butt like most all of the websites...but to a lesser degree, methinks.


    Marcosan at 10:52pm on Saturday, August 26, 2006

  135. marcosan... You are absolutely right, as usual, they have alot of useful info, for sure, and, yes, angst, is the key word here.
    Reprinting what the manufacturer gives them is not a review of a camera, me thinks!
    The key word here is "dis-service" to consumers.
    Gotta run, Kids want to go swimming!

    nick in japan at 11:17pm on Saturday, August 26, 2006

  136. In exchange for having "preview status", most of the commercial looking websites have to sign non-disclosure agreements that prevent them from altering the specs as provided them by the manufacturer. Within the body of the interview, editors are entitled to write whatever they please...especially if they wanna kill the goose that lays the egg (advertising revenue). Some websites are more willing to criticize products than others. For instance, Simon Joinson (dpreview) is generally pretty open with his criticisms and doesn't hold back as much as a LOT of other reviewers on other sites. I've written him several emails commending him for exactly that. We ALL like to know what a product's warts are, no?

    Btw, the dpreview article states that the barrel of the LX1 protrudes 18mm....not really pocketable, but not huge either.

    Btw, there's another popular camera resource website that mentions the warts (actually, a lot do), but I don't take it quite as seriously. After I asked the sole reviewer why he didn't review a particular brand of cameras, he said "because they're crap". After asking him if he'd ever tried one, he then said "no". Nuff said. Found out he was only 28 yrs. old. Website is quite informative nonetheless.

    Marcosan at 12:51am on Sunday, August 27, 2006

  137. marcosan, thank you for that comment, I think that kinda says it all, suspicions confirmed. I will be a little less sarcastic now.
    The LX is a bit big for a shirt, breast pocket, perfect for a shooter's vest pocket, or a fanny-pac that is positioned for fast access. I wear mine around my neck on a chain most of the time.
    My LX-2 is on order now, best I could get it for was $488, with no tax, cash. I figure that with shipping from the States, that's about what it would cost me if I ordered one. Should have it by Thursday.
    skidd, the warranty that comes with the Japanese LX-2 is NOT an International Warranty, a Japanese Warranty. Why? don't know, nor does the camera shop manager. He said that it is on a "case-by-case" matter, some cameras have an International Warranty, others, not. Sorry!

    nick in japan at 04:16am on Sunday, August 27, 2006

  138. Where's the freakin' "edit" button on this site?!

    "interview" should have read "review".

    "Goose that lays the egg" should have read "Goose that lays the Golden Egg".

    Nick, you'll be receiving the LX-2 on Thursday? Wow! A LOT of folks will be waiting with bated breath to read your comments and opinions. A LOT!

    Side note: You've probably noticed a lot of folks already trashing the Panny's Venus III engine. What's funny is that many of them also assume that Panny is still doing last minute tweaking it. The fact that you're receiving yours on Thursday would be a clear indication that they've quite finished....which they probably did MONTHS ago. Can't wait for the REAL user opinions to start flowing. :)

    I agree with you 100% on its size. Not shirt pocket, not bag camera, but fanny pack or vest pocket cam. To be honest, I doubt that even ultra-compacts are carried much in a pants pocket. It's really too abusive of an environment, and a high risk to the LCD. I prefer SOME kind of case for a camera, not a bare pocket.

    Marcosan at 06:54am on Sunday, August 27, 2006

  139. OOPS! Why does dpreview state that the LX-2 uses the X-card? That's #2!

    nick in japan at 07:06am on Sunday, August 27, 2006

  140. Marcosan, the 100 yen shops here, you probably have them as $1.00 stores in the States, I guess, I haven't been there since '94, have gobs of little nylon, zippered cases with a foamy lining . I use them , as well as cases that are velcro closed, kinda like a large cell-phone case, GREAT for the small cameras, either attached to the strap of your camera bag, belt or just as a cover.
    I usually do all my B/W conversion in Photoshop, better try it with the LX-1 so I can compare images for you, nothing like a nice Black and White every once in a while!!
    Got a nice one today!

    nick in japan at 07:18am on Sunday, August 27, 2006

  141. Yeah, that's the type of case I'm thinking of.

    As far as the review sites having typographical errors, burps, and farts, they ALL have them. Obviously, they meant xD cards. You'd think that they'd buck up for a proof reader, but noooooooo, they think they can do it themselves. Actually, it often looks as if NOBODY proof reads the reviews. Maybe the ad revenue isn't as high as we think... :)

    Marcosan at 07:24am on Sunday, August 27, 2006

  142. If they meant xD, then that is #3, The LX series uses the SD cards, and looks like up to 4Gig with the LX-2, I like 512s!
    E-mail me and I'll show you some recent stuff.

    nick in japan at 07:34am on Sunday, August 27, 2006

  143. When I start confusing the Fuji F30 with the LX-2, it means it's past my bed time.
    My bad. Back to two errors. :)


    Marcosan at 07:42am on Sunday, August 27, 2006

  144. Hi Nick, Yea I know - bit of a pain about the warrenty ah well...if it breaks i'll drop it down the stairs and claim on contents insurance. Butterfingers!

    Gotta be some downside to getting one early! Its on a plane from Japan faster!! :D

    skidd at 10:47am on Sunday, August 27, 2006

  145. Skidd, that is probably the smartest thing, homeowner's insurance will cover things that happen at home, or, as I found out personally, if things are stolen from your car while away, ensure a police report is filed before contacting the insurance company.
    I will be happy to assist you if you find that the camera is obviously defective, and needs to be sent to the company. Hopefully the camera will have an "Open" warranty card, therefore you will have extended coverage, within reason.
    Contact me personally if you need assistance.

    nick in japan at 11:24am on Sunday, August 27, 2006

  146. Hi all good thread and will follow this in the hope of seeing someones report on what they think of it when they have used it. Has anyone thought about or discussed the merits of the RP-SDR04G extended memory?

    Shamas at 12:58pm on Sunday, August 27, 2006

  147. Hi you all!Writing from Spain. I've been following all your comments not so long ago. I'm waiting next Lx2 comming out here and hope anxiously to read some of your "more-experienced" reports before.I consider to buy a compact camera this kind and lx2 is my favourite so far.

    I'm not an expert in photography terms but I like to begin experimenting with cameras with manual controls such as this one or canon s80 for example; reflex will arrive some time later...or not...

    One question for those who have the lx1: Is there a lot of diference in the 16:9 28mm wide and the 32mm (i think)in the 2:3 mode?

    Or once you begin shotting in 16:9, do you mostly shot in that mode and later cut the pic with the camera in case you want a more standard size?

    I'm asking that cause in an hipotetic before-having that camera view, I don't know how much I'll use the 16:9 cause I still don't know where to print here that non-standard sizes.At least, I can cut the borders of the pics if I use another standard size of course...

    Here you have a link of a spanish website which made a video and some comments of a pre-definitive Lx-2 last month.Hope you like it!!!,2166.html

    Keep in touch, guys!

    sambcn at 05:41pm on Sunday, August 27, 2006

  148. Those of you who have bought the camera, where did you buy? That is wich ebay seller or internet shop? How much did you pay? Regards Gunnar

    Gunnar Dav at 07:39pm on Sunday, August 27, 2006

  149. The Spanish website wouldnt open for me, but, I would like to comment on a couple things mentioned. The old APS film printing option of , what they call here in Japan, "High Vision" closely approximates the size of the 16x9 size. Please try and locate a camera shop/ lab that does the APS film printintg and apply it to the LX digital images. The only other option would be to print with instructions to print at 100% and that will leave you portions to trim/crop off. When I started printing I had them print on a "KG" sized (4x6) and at 100%, them I cut off the sides, later I found out the APS "High Vision" option and use it all the time.
    The LX gives you the 3 size options, everyone has their own ways to shoot, some switching between the options, myself, the 16x9 option gives me the latitude to capture as much as I possibly can, it is a wonderful view, then, I have the option in Photoshop to trim anyway I like. Sometimes I like to trim to a square image, much like the old Hasselblad images. The subject matter, and exactly what kind of feeling you want to display will determine what you do, 16x9 gives you the most pixels and view to work with, why limit yourself?
    And, yes , there is a noticable diference between 28mm and 32mm, at least to me. In some pictures that difference may not matter, on a space confined shot, every mm makes a difference, I LOVE 28mm,work with correcting the horizontals/verticals as a matter-of-fact, but consider it a requirement for any photographer.
    Any lens wider than normal view will distort the image somewhat, some lenses are better than others.
    I consider 40-60mm about normal view, thats why I get upset when manufacturers tout the 38mm as a "wide angle view", it is almost normal as far as I'm concerned!
    Good shooting to to!

    nick in japan at 11:02pm on Sunday, August 27, 2006

  150. That should read.. Good shooting to YOU!

    nick in japan at 11:05pm on Sunday, August 27, 2006

  151. A link to LX2 manual thanks to a poster on DPreview forum.

    JJ at 01:35pm on Monday, August 28, 2006

  152. For you looking for the LX2, I just bought one at the following link. They claim they have a big shipment of the Black body. I got sucked in and bought as I leave for my first European vacation and want to bring this highly touted camera. I paid the listed $451 US and will wait anxiously by the door to see if they really will ship it?!!

    perry at 03:12pm on Monday, August 28, 2006

  153. GL Perry, that place has 670 good reviews and 435 bad ones 60/40

    BTW whats with the $131.00 difference between black and silver ??

    newmie at 06:20pm on Monday, August 28, 2006

  154. I just called Prestige Camera; they claimed that the camera was not only in stock, but that it ships within 24 hours *and* with a one-year USA warranty. I asked if it was, by any chance, grey market, but the CSR swore it was legitimately for-sale in the US and that the warranty is Panasonic. Hmmm...too good to be true, right?

    j at 10:11pm on Monday, August 28, 2006

  155. newmie, Suppy and demand, most folks want the black body, IMHO, so they make more black bodies and sell them at a higher price, it's all about $.
    Does anyone know why the LX series is not available in Canada, at least the Northwest?

    nick in japan at 10:30pm on Monday, August 28, 2006

  156. Nick - I hear ya, but its the black body that their selling for 131.00 less.....

    " so they make more black bodies and sell them at a higher price, it's all about $."

    I think you meant "low" supply/high demand = $$

    newmie at 11:50pm on Monday, August 28, 2006

  157. If it were an Ebay seller, NOBODY would buy from them if they only had a 60% positive rating. Buyer beware.

    That being said, we wish you the best of luck, Perry. You KNOW we're dying to hear about your experience with both the seller and the camera.


    Marcosan at 12:43am on Tuesday, August 29, 2006

  158. Hi Nick: you propably are aware but My Girlfriend found the Following Japan Link - Silver $430'ish. If I remember the Forign Models ship with All languages in the Camera but a regional Users Manual. So would have to Download an English one in my case. Have you Recieved yours Yet and if so what do you think please??

    Shamas at 01:28am on Tuesday, August 29, 2006

  159. To me, the black LX2 looks like a pro model, and the silver, a consumer model.

    If the black actually turns out to be cheaper, I don't think "I'd" complain a whole lot.

    Marcosan at 02:36am on Tuesday, August 29, 2006

  160. The yen rate today is 117, that means , with the bank charging 3 yen per dollar, or yen is 114. 00 yen @114 is $452, I will show this link to my camera shop manager and see what he says, If you can get an LX-2 in Japan for that price I think you are lucky!
    No thanks for a silver body, we all have our likes and dislikes, Black Bodied cameras have traditionally been higher in price than a silver model, trends have changed I guess, a cheaper Black bodied camera is worth more to THIS shooter.
    The theory is that when you point a black camera at a person they feel less intimidated, it is a less obvious intrusion in their lives.
    Seems like a thread not long ago was talking about the unavailability of Black LX-1s...?

    nick in japan at 05:06am on Tuesday, August 29, 2006

  161. Hi Nick. Do you happen to know any Japanese online shops that would have English language site? I am trying to order LX2 from Japan as the fastest way of getting this gem, but struggle to complete the order in Japanese. Thank you for any information you may have.

    JJ at 06:26am on Tuesday, August 29, 2006

  162. "When you point a black camera at a person, they feel less intimidated."

    Yes, and here in the USA, if you point a black camera at a cop, you'll be eating a McBullet.

    "Ooops, we thought it was a gun...snicker snicker."

    Marcosan at 06:41am on Tuesday, August 29, 2006

  163. Thanks for the manual linky JJ, that'll come in handy - although it doesn't seem to work.

    My LX2 arrived on English shores last night, I'm only 20 miles from LHR so might receive it today.


    skidd at 07:33am on Tuesday, August 29, 2006

  164. Skidd, can you help JJ out?
    Sorry JJ, I never order on-line, don't like doing business with unknown folks. Comment #154 may be helpful to you.
    Thanks also JJ for the manual, it is slow to boot-up, click the right side column to activate a page, a great guide, gotta get reading!

    nick in japan at 07:44am on Tuesday, August 29, 2006

  165. I checked ratings on Prestige Camera and they came out pretty poor. Not to say they are complete crooks, but I can imagine that ordering from Kazakhstan may become a real pain with these folks. I would appreciate any help on how to securely get the camera earlier than from bhphotovideo (end of sept).

    JJ at 07:58am on Tuesday, August 29, 2006

  166. Where is Prestige located?
    B&H is a dependable outfit, BUT, they have so much business that you may possibly get backorderd as a reply. My friend, an authorized Indy 500 photographer, while stationed here in Iwakuni , did lottsa big-bucks business with them and NEVER had a problem, nor complaint!

    nick in japan at 08:07am on Tuesday, August 29, 2006

  167. Guess what was sat on my dest when I arrived in the office this morning :D

    Got it, but the battery is flat and the charger doesn't come with a lead (charger is designed to plug straight into a US style socket). Down to the local shop at lunchtime methinks. I take it the batteries are the same as the LX-1 version, it's a DMW-BCC12 1150 mAh variety.

    OK, I ordered from an ebay trader called matsuiyastore. He's available crom, 99.9% +ve feedback. Prices have dropped already. I ordered on Friday, he dispatched on Sat and it arrived today (tues). I'd highly recommend him.


    skidd at 08:37am on Tuesday, August 29, 2006

  168. Thanks Skidd! battery IS the same! Good news! Millions of folks are awaiting your feelings about " The son of a classic"!

    nick in japan at 08:48am on Tuesday, August 29, 2006

  169. No problem, apologies for the typos, I seem to be like a child at christmas :).

    I'll try and get it powered up for later, if there are any specifics that people want testing let me know - personally I'm interested in the low light, high ISO performance.

    Better get some work done... :)


    skidd at 08:52am on Tuesday, August 29, 2006

  170. Thank you Skidd, I'll be looking at the movie mode real close, not only for my new interest in the quality of movies these cameras have,compared to the Sony F828, but for "li" in London, he is an avid movie maker and a great photographer, presently using the LX-1. His suggestion to try the "Warm" mode in my movies has made a big difference.

    nick in japan at 09:45am on Tuesday, August 29, 2006

  171. Prestige must be located in the States. What I meant was that I am located in Kazakhstan. I will try to order from the same ebayer Skidd did, thanks for the reference.

    JJ at 11:04am on Tuesday, August 29, 2006

  172. skidd, i'm also extremely interested in the low light / high iso performance of the lx2. i wanted to buy an lx1, but after testing it, found that even iso200 was pretty poor and iso400 practically unusable. i'm really hoping that they've improved things considerably with the lx2, but have a sinking feeling - the mutterings one hears aren't particularly positive. if it's poor again, then i'll probably go for the samsung nv7 or nv10. i'd love to go for the lx2, but as i'll take it to social occasions (parties / bars etc) as well as trying to be arty, low light performance similar to the lx1 will rule it out for me :-( i'm curious to see how well the optical image stabilisation works, too, on the lx2 ... or is there no change there?

    owen c at 01:34pm on Tuesday, August 29, 2006

  173. Finally, a voice of reason. The likelihood, Owen, is that the LX2's CCD
    will be just as noisy as the LX1, if not slightly noisier due to its smaller
    pixel size. But it's not my opinion that matters. As with any new digital
    camera, you should wait for the reviews from trusted sites like this one
    and others before deciding whether to buy. That is, unless you just do
    not care, and want one regardless of its image quality.

    GARY POGODA at 02:24pm on Tuesday, August 29, 2006

  174. Someone posted one of my weblogs with photos as examples of an LX1 user.

    If you go to this link you'll see galleries of mine representing the first 12 shooting days I spent with the LX1. You'll have to click the little links to the top left for the other days, AND a little video I made with the LX1.

    If you want to see how the LX1 performed as a travel camera... I took it with me for a Mexican Motorcycle odyssey. Go here and all the images, galleries, and video clips from 2006 were shot with an LX1.

    Skip Hunt at 02:50pm on Tuesday, August 29, 2006

  175. Skip, thanks for the links! Your images are great!!!

    As a professional using the LX1, what do you think of the camera (pros and cons), and do you have any thoughts regarding the noise issues? Are you planning on getting the LX2?

    TS at 03:29pm on Tuesday, August 29, 2006

  176. @175


    I've used this camera for almost a year now, shot thousands of photos, sold stock images shot with it, shot commercial shoots with it (, and traveled with it extensively.

    I love the LX1. It's a stout robust camera, plenty of manual control, and I love the quality of the Leica lens.

    Will I get an LX2? I'll have to wait and see. The resolution of the LX1 has been fine for me so I wouldn't upgrade just for a couple more MP of res. If Panasonic had added a pc-sync port, a port for an external mic, and a threaded lens.. I'd definately upgrade. As it stands, the only improvement I'm interested in is possibly lower noise at higher ISOs. At 80ISO it's nearly perfect. It's tolerable at 200ISO.. but I rarely even bother with 400ISO unless I creatively WANT tons of noise. If the LX2 can produce nearly noise-free images at at least 400ISO, I might upgrade. Otherwise, I'll likely just wait until my LX1 dies. And, or wait until the reviews and sample images start coming in.

    Skip Hunt at 03:47pm on Tuesday, August 29, 2006

  177. Skip, thanks for the feedback! So, do you shoot JPEG exclusively, or RAW?

    I have been sitting on the fence, wondering whether or not to buy the LX2. Since I admire your work, your positive comments have helped me decide. I am going to pre-order the LX2 from B&H.

    TS at 04:29pm on Tuesday, August 29, 2006

  178. @177 No worries! And thanks for the compliments.

    I always shoot RAW. Although 9 times out of ten, the jpeg companion image is just fine. I just have the RAW in case I want to pull in a bit more detail from the highlights and or shadows. The file sizes are really large though, i.e 17MB.. so, do yourself a favor and buy a fast 2GB SD card. Fast is key as well if you're shooting RAW. I'm using a 150x 2GB card and an 80x 1GB card.. though, the speed difference is only marginal. Just don't get a slow card like the one that comes with it. It's painfully slow writing RAW files. I never notice the speed with the faster cards.

    Since I haven't shot an LX2 yet.. all I can say is that if you're looking for a compact camera with a great lens, and wonderful manual control.. and if the LX2 is as good as the LX1 has been.. you won't be disappointed.

    That being said.. I wouldn't buy either as a "party" camera.. or, a camera for the average auto snapshots... for that sort of stuff, I think the Canon point and shoots are better. But for loads of artistic control, in a small package, with a great lens, and slick build quality.. I don't think there's a better digicam than the Panasonic... at least, not to MY eye. ;-)

    Also, it's a bit subjective too... I'm "old-school" where using a little "grain" or "noise" every now and then was a desired creative choice. If you're one of those who doesn't give flip about final aesthetics, and just likes examining pixels.. then pick another digicam as well. But if you're like me, and don't give a rat's tuckus about the technology.. and just want an artistic tool to help you achieve your artistic vision.. then the Panasonic is certainly the cat's meow. IMO.

    Skip Hunt at 04:44pm on Tuesday, August 29, 2006

  179. Skip said;

    "I wouldn't buy either as a "party" camera.. or, a camera for the average auto snapshots..."

    That is a bummer to hear, because that's what I was primarily looking to use the camera all-purpose camera.

    What is it (in order of importance) that you don't feel lends itself to party and casual snapshot shooting?

    Is it the size?

    Low light capability?...I suppose I could use the flash in a dark bar, but can it take decent pics in a regular lit restaurant?

    Is it the noise, and the fact that it must always be post-processed?

    Inquiring minds wanna know! :)

    Other cameras on my "potentials" list are:

    Fuji F30
    Sony T30
    Canon SD700 IS
    Ricoh R5

    Even though all these cameras have their strengths and weaknesses, I am indeed looking for a good all-arounder.

    Thanks for your comments, Skip. It will be a shame to give up on the LX2. :(

    Marcosan at 05:03pm on Tuesday, August 29, 2006

  180. @179 Jeez! I guess I gotta quantify/qualify all my statements.

    The LX1 can produce nice party pix as well. It's just that it's ISO400 is lacking, ie. loads of noise. If you shoot ISO80 or 200 you'll mostly be flash-lit with little ambient light. I prefer to mix ambient with flash in those situations.

    I meant that if you're looking for a camera that you can just flip on, point and shoot, and most of the time get good results without having to so post-processing.. then there are digicams better suited for that. With the LX1 you have to at least have a vague idea of what you're doing in order to get great results. But for mostly party pix, I'd still say go with a cam that at least gives you good results at 400ISO or better. The LX2 very well might perform just fine at higher ISOs, but I can't speak from experience. All I can say is the LX1 isn't the best tool for low-lit party pix photography. At least, not for me.

    Skip Hunt at 05:14pm on Tuesday, August 29, 2006

  181. Also, I won't comment on cameras I haven't actually used myself. My comments are based on the LX1 alone. I've used some little Canon's before that were impressive as well.. but for my needs the LX1 fits perfectly.

    Too many yahoos out there in photo blogs and forums commenting on cameras they haven't even used yet, or even seen in person. And many of these same yahoos don't even seem to have any aesthetic taste IMO. I won't do that. The LX1 is a great compact artistic tool that can produce very nice images, hi-quality images if you know how to use it. Can't comment on the LX2 or any other cam until I've actually used one myself.

    If possible, buy the LX2 from a store with a lenient return policy. If you don't like it, take it back and try something else. That's what I did with the LX1... but, after only the first 20mins with it, I knew if was perfect for my needs. Might not be for yours. Only you can answer that.

    Don't get too wrapped up in all the ill-informed and inexperienced banter that goes on in blogs and forums.. most of it's pretty useless unless you know the person has actually used the camera and can prove it with their own images as I've done.

    Skip Hunt at 05:21pm on Tuesday, August 29, 2006

  182. Skip, THANKS for the qualification, quantification, and your patience to answer inane questions. Much appreciated, especially since I'm a relative newbie.

    As suspected, the magic ISO number is around 400. Fuji can do a pretty decent 800 from what I've heard, and many of the smaller digicams are now approaching a solid 200 ISO. What that says to me is that Fuji is probably close to two stops ahead of the competition when it comes to noise. Of course, one can get around this somewhat by image stabilization, but that doesn't really address the crux of the problem, now does it....

    I'm guessing that when pocket cams can do a "solid" 400 ISO, Fuji will get nervous, but since Fuji's a one trick pony, I'm not tremendously interested. Boy, I wish that Panny had kept the LX2's mp count where it was. I'm still looking forward to reading upcoming LX2 reviews, but I'm not holding my breath about 400 ISO. I WILL be quite annoyed if the 200 ISO isn't the cat's meow.

    Thanks again. :)


    Marcosan at 05:42pm on Tuesday, August 29, 2006

  183. Skip, thanks for all the extra info! Panasonic should give you a new LX2!

    I hope everyone here takes the opportunity to visit your site and enjoy your great work!

    TS at 06:07pm on Tuesday, August 29, 2006

  184. Had a quick play (no pics, no time); noise is still a problem as expected. I personally wouldn't go over 400 execpt for creative reasons, even 400 is sketchy. Low light at ISO100 isn't perfect either but workable.

    You can really see the Venus chip working hard at the high ISOs, zooming in you can see the tell-tale noise reduction smudge.

    Strangle at low light the LCD seems to refresh really slowly, with significant lag. In light environments it is very impressive, very clear, very fast. The 16:9 aspect really improves things.

    Dropped a Sandisk Ultra III into it and shot some RAW and write speed was fine, nothing to compare to but I imagine its only a problem for burst shooting.

    Prety much what people (including myself!) expected, no silver bullet. But never the less a nice piece of kit surroundings permitting.

    Skidd at 07:31pm on Tuesday, August 29, 2006

  185. Skip Hunt, Wonderful images, wonderful narrative, wonderful site! It is obvious to us all that you love the 16x9 format, and that you know what you are talking about. It is very refreshing to me, a proud user/owner of the LX-1s, to hear positve feedback.
    Your bike tour is a dream alot of us only dream about, thank you for your gracious sharing and real feelings . I can't wait to find time to view all your submissions.
    I think your explanations of the right camera for certain folks is pretty "Right-On". The LX series isn't for everyone, folks that take an ocassional party picture, or really arn't into taking many pictures at all, are best off borrowing a family member's camera. I have always believed the LX-1 was a cameraman's camera, and continue to do so on , almost, a daily basis.
    From what I have seen, improvements HAVE been made to the level of getting the LX-2, now the current user, with a bit of "Character" will become the back-up!
    Keep the comments coming, we really appreciate it. I think I speak for alot of the devoted members of Mark's GREAT Blog!
    Semper Fi!

    nick in japan at 11:08pm on Tuesday, August 29, 2006

  186. why can't they make a sensor with lower noise ... :-( i had a play with a samsung nv10 today ... noise was certainly pretty low at high iso's, the camera is beautiful and the menu / interface really innovative, but manual options are distinctly limited. if noise is as bad as skipp says, i guess it'll probably be the nv7 for me .... maybe by the time they release the lx3 they'll finally have done something with the sensor. have you tried the high sensitivity mode yet, skidd? i was wondering if due to the reduced resolution, noise might not be such an issue?

    owen c at 11:49pm on Tuesday, August 29, 2006

  187. To Skip Hunt - I am a newbe and I will take the LX2. Why? It will grow with me. What you have done on that site is simply amazing - the colour are stunning ! I don't expect to get to that level in the 1st year but it will allow me to in the furure. One thing thar really sold me is the Movie clips you placed together. I have been using a older very small panasonic 'Japan' sold unit and it was completely inferior to what you have at Thankyou, Please: what size card(s) do you use ; and are there any accessories that you consider a must have..... Thank you again.

    Shamas at 07:15am on Wednesday, August 30, 2006

  188. I'm not much of a movie guy, a few now and then, but something that folks that are considering the LX cameras as a tool for their photographic pleasures should consider is that the Quick Time Movie it produces can be "Paused" and the picture captured with ScreenHunter 4.
    I can't do that with Windows Media Player!
    Both Quick Time 7, and Screenhunter 4 are free downloads.

    nick in japan at 07:56am on Wednesday, August 30, 2006

  189. Shamas, in an earlier post Skip talked about cards. Here's what he said:

    "do yourself a favor and buy a fast 2GB SD card. Fast is key as well if you're shooting RAW. I'm using a 150x 2GB card and an 80x 1GB card"

    TS at 03:40pm on Wednesday, August 30, 2006

  190. Yea, the fast Sandisk ones work well as long as you don't get a knock-off imatation (ebays' a no-no).

    Annoyingly, irrespective of SD write speed, bracketing is disabled if you select RAW quality despite the fact that writing the 19.5meg raws in 10Mp mode takes less than a second to write on my cards (although it lets you use an exposure of upto 1sec - go figure) Bit of a bummer if you want to shoot high quality HDR shots.

    skidd at 04:17pm on Wednesday, August 30, 2006

  191. @ 188

    You need an extra piece of software to capture frame by frame out of Quicktime in Windows?

    I use a Mac. All we need to do that in Mac is to copy & paste the paused frame in to Preview, and then save. As Simple as that.

    I've been doing that with all my movie clip files, making interesting frame by frame galleries.

    AA at 05:56pm on Wednesday, August 30, 2006

  192. Gotta plead ignorance here, I'm not computer smart at all, mostly self taught.
    The Vaio's are Windows based and I capture screens only with the Screenhunter 4 Free, an old free download. Maybe there is some capture program like your Mac provides in Windows,I really don't know, I'm happy with this program and use it alot, BUT, it never was able to capture a Movie frame until Quicktime. If I open a movie in Quicktime, I can also capture that too, it doesn't have to be Quicktime generated. A movie that is labled "Movie/Video File" doesn't open in Quicktime, therefore I can't capture it's frames.

    nick in japan at 10:28pm on Wednesday, August 30, 2006

  193. So, are there any new Photokina camera announcements of interest?

    I noticed Canon just removed some cameras from their website. In the midrange, only three remain, and last week there were seven. Still listed are the PowerShot G6, S3, and S80. It looks like they are getting ready to announce a new G7, S90, and a Pro 2.

    The S90 could compete nicely with the Panasonic LX2. And an update to the PowerShot Pro 1 with the wonderful L Seriers lens would be exciting.

    kirk at 03:54pm on Thursday, August 31, 2006

  194. The Photokina news that I am most eagerly awaiting is from Leica. Rumor has it that we will finally get a digital M. I sure hope so. Also if Leica rebrands the LX2 it will probably be announced there. If they do, I wonder if a black version will be an option.

    zymonk at 06:09pm on Thursday, August 31, 2006

  195. Why the flash is in the hidden box and jumps out with mechanical force that consumes battery? Why not like canon powershot s80 they could simply put the flash on the surface...!
    But any way I loved that they have 800x600 video with 30fps!! Just I wish it would be mpeg4 so that it would more compact. sigh

    ali at 08:55pm on Thursday, August 31, 2006

  196. "Why the flash is in the hidden box and jumps out with mechanical force that consumes battery? Why not like canon powershot s80 they could simply put the flash on the surface..."

    Without the pop-up, the flash would be too close to the lens and will not have enough reach-over, casting a shadow, especially if you happen to be on the wider end of it.
    You could also simply pop it up manually using your finger on the switch.

    AA at 09:17pm on Thursday, August 31, 2006

  197. In windows, you just need to press PrtSc to capture the screen (Alt+PrtSc to capture the top window) and then paste into Paint. Once its there, you can then crop and save the picture.

    Ali, the flash in LX1/2 is spring loaded and so doesn't use battery power. And the video is 848x480 @ 30 fps. LX2 has an additional mode of 1280x720 @ 15 fps.

    Li at 09:21pm on Thursday, August 31, 2006

  198. Thanks li! I think Screenhunter 4 Free is a bit easier, drag to crop, auto save to folder of choice, works for me, maybe less steps.
    I'll be sending you images from the new LX-2 , probably Sunday afternoon, pick it up tomorrow 1000hrs, Weather may clear , so Kids want to go swimming again.
    Thanks again!

    nick in japan at 10:38pm on Thursday, August 31, 2006

  199. Wow, I just stumbled on this cool thread, with a definite interest in picking up the LX2.

    My situation is that of an avid Canon Powershot user for several years, moving from the S110 to S330 to S50 to S80 (the best compact camera I've owned so far) to SD700IS and wanting to go back to an S80. Unfortunately, and what confounds the mind, is that Canon has discontinued the highly regarded S80 line completely, with no replacement in sight. I had to send the S80, which I had for only 2 months, to the warranty shop and was told it got dismantled and destroyed :(

    I kept the SD700IS for about a week, until I realized how much I miss the 28mm lens, 8+ megapixels and nice manual controls. With the idea that Canon won't replace the S80, I researched other alternatives and found about the DMC-LX1 and the upcoming LX2. I'd love to hear what you guys find in the LX2.

    Since I'm sorta over the S80 now, I'm looking forward to getting what should be the best all-around compact digital camera.

    Sunny at 09:15am on Friday, September 01, 2006

  200. Sunny, The "best all-around camera" cannot be found here, camera information and opinions, some founded on facts, yes, but only you will have to make that agonizing decision. Some of us here are biased i'm sure, some of us are overly critical, please keep an open mind, and, read, read, read all you can before you decide.
    I enjoyed your expounding about your old Canon, they do become a big part of our lives, especially when one has a good 28mm lens!
    Gary Pogoda did alot of research about alot of cameras, especially attracted to the Canons, you may want to send him some pointed questions in his column, he WILL help you, I'm sure!

    nick in japan at 09:31am on Friday, September 01, 2006

  201. You're absolutely right, nick. I must be drinking some digicamera koolaid as I stay up looking for my next camera at 1:30AM while having to go to work at 8AM this morning :wow:

    I definitely understand that technological evolution, and rapid at that, will never cease. At this moment, though, the Panasonic seems to possess added features that I wished Canon had put in its S80. I think the S80 would have benefitted a lot from IS, RAW mode, a 16:9 aspect ratio and a 4X optical zoom. I would have been happy with just IS, alone. But, Panny is building what appears to be a dream-combination of features, IMHO.

    Once does hope that Panasonic doesn't shoot itself in the foot with a jack of all trades, but a master of none. Being that this is the second coming of the LX line, I think it will improve on what seems to be a nice start.

    I'm a bit of a techie, so I don't mind spending time tweaking a few shots (out of a hundred) that might turn into gems.

    Sunny at 10:00am on Friday, September 01, 2006

  202. I like to say, Sunny, that there are no bad pictures, just some are better than others.
    Panasonic's mother company is tha largest electrical company in the world, with that comes, hopefully, a well run research and development section with lottsa money pumped into it. I have been impressed so-far. packing useful stuff in a small package is a challenge, to approach an ideal camera is a trade-off now, for sure, I'd love to see the LX evolve into a bigger sensored, CMOS type of some sort, a little longer reach, an internal stiching program like my Kodak V570 has, and, lastly, an option line-up to include a snazy, rubberized clip-on body/lens protector! I dropped my user LX-1 and bent the lens housing, and thought that it may happen to others, especially now that the LX-2 seems to be becoming very popular, and will be likely used by trekers alot. In it's naked form it is a tough little guy, but still vunerable, even slip-on rubber end covers would help..hmmm, maybe a new project.

    nick in japan at 11:25am on Friday, September 01, 2006

  203. Oops! Forgot those double strap lugs too! Would be nice to hang it around the neck in a horizontal position, would give it more of a "pro" look, which it deserves... could be confused for a Canon now!!!

    nick in japan at 11:28am on Friday, September 01, 2006

  204. It's a shame, Sunny, your S80 broke down before the announcement
    last week of the new Canon PowerShot A710 IS. Have you looked at
    that one?

    It is much closer in features to your S80 than the SD700 IS, but with
    a 6x, 35-210mm (at 4:3), image-stabilized zoom, which is very close
    to the LX1's and LX2's wide-angle focal length of 34mm (at 4:3), but
    not quite as good as the S80's 28mm wide end. Hopefully, the extra
    zoom (6x versus 3.5x for the S80) and the IS will make up for that.

    Other niceties of the A710 IS are full-manual controls, a little smaller
    than, and about the same thickness as, the S80 (as compared to the
    LX1/LX2's half-inch thicker dimensions), full-retracting lens (does not
    require an external lens cap like the LX2), uses AA batteries and has
    an adapter for lens converters, giving you 24mm at the wide end and
    368mm at the telephoto end.

    I have nothing against the LX2. My only concern is that it will be just
    as noisy as the LX1, if not noisier due to its smaller pixels. So, if you
    are considering an LX2 mainly for its 28mm lens (at 16:9), I would at
    least wait for the reviews.

    GARY POGODA at 03:32pm on Friday, September 01, 2006

  205. Sunny, I am also a Canon fan, and I am waiting to see what they introduce for Photokina later this month. I am expecting an upgrade to the S80 and a new Pro 2. But, I think we are still two years away from the perfect point & shoot. Panasonic is almost there with some great specs at a nice price. With a better sensor, a larger buffer, and RAW bracketing for HDR, it could be perfect for me.

    Panasonic, please take note. I would pay more for a better sensor!!!

    Since the perfect camera is still a ways off, I plan on getting the LX2 or a new Canon... use it for a few years, sell it, and then upgrade. My 2 cents.

    kirk at 03:37pm on Friday, September 01, 2006

  206. Hello all, first post here but I've followed the thread religiously every day.
    I'm considering also the LX2 but I have to have it before october (leaving for vacations), so currently my "backup" choice is the S80, which seem to be still available at some online retailers here in Canada.
    The A710 IS seem to be very interesting as well, but it seems only available by mid-october :-(
    Do you know if there's an english review coming for the LX2? (by english-speaking japaneses sites)

    m-a at 05:29pm on Friday, September 01, 2006

  207. I personally have not heard anything about any LX2 reviews, but I
    would hate to see you make a decision without at least one. Have
    you considered the possibility of renting a camera or buying some
    throwaways for your vacation? They even have digital ones. :)

    GARY POGODA at 05:49pm on Friday, September 01, 2006

  208. You're right, I haven't thought about renting...looks like a plan.
    However I would prefer buying, but you summarized clearly my situation...I need a new camera, I would like to see some reviews of it before, I would prefer it to be "cutting-edge" (that is the geeky part of me), and all of it by october :-)

    m-a at 06:00pm on Friday, September 01, 2006

  209. Good suggestion, Gary.

    m-a, I'm on exactly the same page as you are. I'm gonna wait for the first comprehensive reviews, but I'm not holding my breath.

    I'm actually hoping that something more enticing is announced by the end of Photokina...perhaps an S90?! :)

    Marcosan at 07:25pm on Friday, September 01, 2006

  210. Hopefully, anything announced at Photokina will be in stores fast! :-)
    Wow. An S90 would be a serious contender against the LX2

    m-a at 07:29pm on Friday, September 01, 2006

  211. An S90 with maybe IS, the return of RAW, 10Mp and 6X optical zoom, would be sweet. I placed a call into J&R and they claim to be getting 250 units of the S80 in September. However, folks in the Canon Digital Photography forum are saying the S-line is finished, the S80 is no longer being produced and it likely won't be replaced.

    I don't understand how J&R could get 250 units, when Best Buy and Circuit City have completely removed it from their catalog.

    Sunny at 09:40pm on Friday, September 01, 2006

  212. The S70 was removed from Canon's website last week, but the S80 is still there. So, it has not been discontinued. Canon got bad press for removing RAW on the S80, so maybe it will return on the S90. Maybe they will also add true 16x9 format, unlike the cropped version in the SD700is. We'll know in a few weeks.

    kirk at 10:49pm on Friday, September 01, 2006

  213. Thanks Gary and everyone for the S80 comments. The A710 IS looks like a winner, but I still prefer having 28mm (without using an extra lens) and RAW mode. I'm still interested in what becomes of the Panasonic LX2, in terms of real users' experiences.

    Regarding the noise issue, does using programs like Noise Ninja truly improve image quality (at ISO 100, 200 and even 400) and will you end up with post-processed images from the LX1 that will rival those taken by cameras like the Canon S80 that employ built-in sensors to filter out noise and may not require as much post-processing?

    (Sorry for the paragraph sentence)

    Sunny at 01:37am on Saturday, September 02, 2006

  214. A question for you guys
    From one of the link posted above #69 (japanese review of the LX2), the first rabbit picture (4,224×2,376 / 0.4 / F4.9 / -0.33EV / ISO100 / WB: / 25.2mm)
    I'm no expert, but am I picky/inexperienced or is the noise/pattern anormal in the background? Even if you look at the colors of the cactus, the green transitions seem a bit pixellated...
    This is one of the things that make me hesitate a little

    m-a at 04:47am on Saturday, September 02, 2006

  215. Direct link to the image

    m-a at 04:49am on Saturday, September 02, 2006

  216. Regarding comment #213:

    In theory, a 'smart' program could find every erroneous pixel in an
    image and replace it with a correct one without sacrificing one iota
    of image detail. However, any program that smart could never run
    on the type of microprocessors used in cameras, due to their lack
    of power. Microprocessors used in computers may have orders of
    magnitude more power than those used in cameras, but still don't
    have the power required to run a program smart enough for such
    erroneous pixel detection and replacement. So, programs that are
    less smart, must make compromises to reduce processing power,
    and in doing so will not be able to distinguish the erroneous pixels
    from the non-erroneous ones as well as smarter programs. That's
    why programs like Noise Ninja running on powerful micros used in
    computers can do a far better job of erroneous pixel detection and
    replacement (i.e., noise reduction) than similar programs running
    on the micros used in cameras. The end result is, the smarter the
    noise reduction program, the less mistakes it makes at erroneous
    pixel detection and replacement, and hence, the less image detail
    lost due to replacement of non-erroneous pixels that are mistaken
    for erroneous ones.

    Short of producing a lower-noise sensor, the place to kill noise is in
    post-processing on a computer using a high-quality noise reduction
    program, not in-camera using heavy-handed built-in noise reduction

    Regarding comment #214:

    The LX2 has an increased minimum ISO of 100 compared to the ISO
    80 of the LX1. A better move would have been to decrease the LX2's
    minimum ISO to 50, like that of the Canon S80. :)

    GARY POGODA at 05:42am on Saturday, September 02, 2006

  217. Gary, with the option of selecting noise reduction in the LX series, and with what you said above, do you think it could be possible to get a better image with the noise reduction of the camera shut off, and using Photoshop's, or a plug-in, solely for all noise reduction. My rational would be that maybe the maker made image quality lessening for the sake of noise reduction.
    I will try that with 2 similar pictures tomorrow with Big-Boy #3.

    nick in japan at 06:04am on Saturday, September 02, 2006

  218. :-/

    Sunny at 06:13am on Saturday, September 02, 2006

  219. Nick, I think you're on the right track. As Gary said, the noise reduction software running on a typical computer should clean up RAW images much better than any built-in image processor.

    Sunny at 06:19am on Saturday, September 02, 2006

  220. Absolutely, Nick. I think you hit the nail right on the head. The degree
    to which your statement applies increases directly with poorer quality
    in-camera noise reduction firmware, and with better quality computer
    noise reduction software.

    GARY POGODA at 06:24am on Saturday, September 02, 2006

  221. I'd love to see an indepth comparison of the "On" vs "off with a plug- in process" applied. I bet there may be some startling results.

    nick in japan at 06:33am on Saturday, September 02, 2006


    kh at 08:30pm on Saturday, September 02, 2006

  223. Guys, I've just started a petition for a Panasonic firmware update. The Venus III engine is simply too aggressive and kills a lot of details. We discussed this problem at dpreview forums and then I though about petition for simple firmware update (applicable on LX2 and FZ50), which will allow us to to turn the in-camera picture adjustments completely OFF, especially the Noise Reduction. Adjusting Noise Reduction to LOW is simply not enough.

    If you check these full resolution FZ50 images..

    or these full res. crops I made just today..

    ISO 100:
    ISO 200:
    ISO 400:
    ISO 800:
    ISO 1600:

    You will clearly realize how strong is the Venus III noise reduction, even at lowest possible level. It would really be great if panasonic would release (finally) a user installable firmware, which will allow us to set the JPEG noise reduction to OFF.

    So if you are interested, read and sign the petition, which is available here..

    Maybe if we collect enough petitioners, we will change something? ;)

    Some time ago, many Casio z850 buyers cried about bad quality of video taken with this camera in high-quality mode. The official Casio staement was "there will be no firmware update nor we are working on it". But now, few months after Z850 release, there is a firmware fix (better said workaround) for this problem. So why not with panasonic? I'm sure, we can be successful if we will act together..why not give it a try? ;) We can't lose anything.

    Pavel Kudrys at 12:59am on Sunday, September 03, 2006

  224. Thanks Pavel! Just got back from shooting with the LX-2, yes the Venus III is very agressive, and, still doing a fairly good job, I think you are 100% correct in the petition idea!
    If this had a smaller sensor, all this talk would be worthless, I think, at least right now, with what we have to work with, the sensor has some more capabilities.
    I don't completely understand why we don't have an RGB choice, over the sRGB "Cartoon Colors", which would further inhance the LX's attractions.
    I haven't looked too close at the images yet, pulled the first one to send to Gary's Parries, but, initially they look pretty good, gotta look closer tho.
    Wow! it sure is Black! I was kinda expecting a mousey grey like my Lx-1s, but this black will take a bit of getting used to!
    The LED screen is awesome, easier to read, great for showing off pictures to friends, kudos for squeezing it on the back, absolutely NO room left!
    Gotta run , lottsa images to tweak!
    Thanks for the petition thing!!!

    nick in japan at 05:31am on Sunday, September 03, 2006

  225. Hello to all and I am glad to see a few personal user remarks filtering through at last: As mentioned previouly I am a Newbie and as such the topic of Memory Formats has me stummped.
    SD cards are a newer form of technology and therfor more expensive.
    MMC Cards are older Tech.
    Ok to that. I am I looking at the wrong stats on the procuct description? From what I see the MMC are faster in their data speed transfer. is this correct ? which is the better storage format and why ... thanks Shamas

    Shamas at 06:44am on Monday, September 04, 2006

  226. It's actually the opposite. My understanding is that MMC is older technology which has had slower speed and capacity improvements. SD cards, on the other hand, have gotten much faster and can store much more data. Many devices, including cameras, cell phones and MP3 players now support SD cards as a standard storage device. MMC, although still compatible with many of these devices, is much slower and has limited capacity.

    You can get SD cards that support 150x speed and store up to 4GB of data vs. 66x speed and only 2GB (for MMC cards).

    Sunny at 09:55am on Monday, September 04, 2006

  227. Thanks Sunny: please see this link Q? are the new disks still slower. I think yes as the review won't actually give a transfer rate; I think.

    Shamas at 10:23am on Monday, September 04, 2006

  228. SD cards are becoming cheaper here in Japan, and CF cards are more expensive. Lottsa SD cards are sold compared, now, with CF.
    Before you purchase, ensure your camera will support the card you are buying, another thread discusses a problem with buying a card too big for the camera's capacity.
    Expanding on that a bit, if you shoot ocassionally, and don't usually fill a card up, then, like me, I don't risk using large capacity cards, 1 Gig is the limit for me, most are 512s. Lose it, get it wet, or damage it, and you are out alot of precious memories, and replacement cost. Alot of folks will take issue to this attitude, I had a corrupted MS, and an SD went thru the laundry, that was enough for me, stupid stuff happens!

    nick in japan at 10:25am on Monday, September 04, 2006

  229. hallo nick, i've been following this blog for quite some time, and i am sure like to know what do you think of lx2 compare to lx1?
    Does it come to "our" expectation at all? thanks.

    locust at 12:50pm on Monday, September 04, 2006

  230. Shamas, case in point, the LX2 does NOT support recording motion
    pictures with MMC, only SD.

    GARY POGODA at 01:45pm on Monday, September 04, 2006

  231. If you're interested, see here for some 100% crops:

    kh at 09:17pm on Monday, September 04, 2006

  232. My initial feelings about the LX-2 vs the LX-1 are these, based on only one short outing. With initial set-up settings of Picture Adjustment of, Contrast=Std, Sharpness=High, Saturation=High, and Noise Reduction=Std., I was happy that noise is absolutely better, and, the ASA 400 question is answered, Yes, acceptable images!
    I need to do alot more setting tests, but I think overall, it will be a welcomed camera for first time LX users, and for existing users that want a primary and back-up camera in the compact size.
    The Venus III has an interesting, and different, to me, appearance in it's working process, not offensive, but obvious.
    The Physical changes are overwhelming, the LED is awesome, as is the image viewed during shooting and play-back.
    One of the attractions to the LX-1 was the Panasonic color that seemes to be a bit different from my other cameras, in a positive way, saturation becomes pleasant, not offensive, that continues with this new sensor.
    If the weather clears, I have a model shoot scheduled for Thursday morning at the falls ( Picture in "Gary's Parries"),I will squeeze in some different settings then.
    I failed to mention to Gary, that I used a "Warm" setting in that picture of the waterfalls, from the camera ,vice Photoshop, early morning shooting there presents a cool cast and really puts a blue color in the falling water. I tried a normal shot but it wasn't good at all. Trying to keep Photoshop tweaking to a minimum is a goal for alot of us!
    I wish Panasonic would provide a couple warm selections, as well as a couple cool selections, probably alot easier than playing with White Balance.

    nick in japan at 11:07pm on Monday, September 04, 2006

  233. Nick, just wanted to clarify. The "Warm" setting was in-camera, not in
    PhotoShop post-processing. Correct?

    Gary's Parries at 11:27pm on Monday, September 04, 2006

  234. Correct, you got an un-touched image from my camera, first one, as requested. Camera settings as explained above.

    nick in japan at 11:37pm on Monday, September 04, 2006

  235. Gary, just sent you 3 recent images of the "blue" I mentioned, you'll have to wait for Mark to roll out of bed first, I guess!

    nick in japan at 12:29am on Tuesday, September 05, 2006

  236. Nick, as I'm also interested to buy the new lx2, would it be possible to send me some images that you made? You can send them to .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

    Werner at 08:47am on Tuesday, September 05, 2006

  237. Here they come, resized.

    nick in japan at 09:10am on Tuesday, September 05, 2006

  238. Hey Nick,

    Have you tried the video mode? Likes/Dislikes ?


    Newmie at 03:24pm on Tuesday, September 05, 2006

  239. Here is a link to some LX2 100% crops at different ISO settings from 100 to 800. They are shot at RAW, plus JPEG with Low and High noise reduction. The 200 RAW is out of focus, but everything else looks OK.

    These are from a ClubSnap member, not me.

    TS at 08:49pm on Tuesday, September 05, 2006

  240. Newmie, I wanted to try the video last Sunday, but, I forgot to bring a tripod.
    A good friend in London, Li, does alot of video work and I'm anxious to do a video for him. The issue with video is the size of the file, I like to e-mail family and friends stuff, but, a short video gets to be a pretty big file.
    We have a weather problem now , here in Japan, I am as anxious as you to get out and use the camera.
    I was not impressed with the Sepia color selection at all, I like to do that in Photoshop... LAYER>STYLES>SEPIA>FLATTEN>LAYER>ADJUSTMENTS>CHANNELS>MONOTONE>EDIT>FADE CHANNELS..fade from a Black and white to a slight sepia colr to suit your likes. This procedure works very well on a portrait that needs a bit of tint, sometimes Black and white is just, well, just too Black and white.

    nick in japan at 10:46pm on Tuesday, September 05, 2006

  241. Hello all and thanks for the SD assistance.
    I have ordered My LX2 but it's comming via works Factory Shipment from Japan "read free freight" so I wont see if for a few weeks yet. I searched for the Users manual to no avail but for those of you who may need something the LX1 is easily found Personally I found the USA site a dog to navigate. Cheers

    Shamas at 10:58pm on Tuesday, September 05, 2006

  242. This is also interesting for anyone with SD questions, its their memory capacity road map

    Shamas at 11:07pm on Tuesday, September 05, 2006

  243. #241, read #151, I use it all the time!

    nick in japan at 11:26pm on Tuesday, September 05, 2006

  244. Hi to all.
    I had downloaded the LX2's guide from a site I forgot its address, so here is a link for it.

    Randy at 10:26am on Wednesday, September 06, 2006

  245. Hello.

    I'm a semi-professional photographer in the UK and have been looking for over six months to buy my first carry-everywhere (backup) camera. I want, as do a lot of photographers, something that can offer reasonable quality in a small size, with raw file format.

    I recently bought on trial a Fuji E900 and kept it for 30 days in which time I was reasonably impressed with it. In the end I returned it as there were some niggling problems, as I saw them, such as no centre screen enlargement or distance scale for manual focus, not ideal quality lcd screen and optics, etc.

    Anyhow, I've been reading this forum for a couple of weeks now with great interest and have decided to take a chance with the LX2. I ordered one on eBay last week from Hong Kong and it arrived today.

    My question is - and apologies if this information is included somewhere already and I've missed it - what software are the other contributors that are developing the raw files from the LX2 using? Photoshop CS2 doesn't recognise them and Raw Developer confuses the colour channels.

    Thanks in advance...

    Ewan at 07:30pm on Wednesday, September 06, 2006

  246. Hi guys im an amateur in photography tryin to act pro by gettin myself a LX2 hahha any idea when it will arrive in singapore? i saw some comments regarding buyin it online will that be cheaper? can already turned pros out there that can help me? thanks alot!!

    Sylvester at 08:34pm on Wednesday, September 06, 2006

  247. Hi Ewan, which ebayer did you buy your camera from & did you have to pay any import tax? Am thinking of doing the same! cheers KB

    KB at 09:25pm on Wednesday, September 06, 2006

  248. Hey Ewan, how do you like the JPG images taken with the LX2 so far? In your short trial run, how do you like the load of features offered by the LX2?

    I think a lot of us are interested in real-world comments from users like yourself and Nick from Japan :)

    Sunny at 09:56pm on Wednesday, September 06, 2006

  249. Hello,
    i´m a newbie from Germany, found this thread and i´m impressed by so much good opinions about LX1.
    So I would like to know how high the noiselevel of the LX1 really is. Does it make fun to look the picture at the TV and up to which size can you print jpeg`s at iso 200. Is it possible to converte the rawfiles to such good quality that you can make Posters at maybe 60cm/80cm?
    Thanks a lot for your answers
    Best wishes from Germany

    Macke at 07:05am on Thursday, September 07, 2006

  250. Macke/Markus, welcome, can't help you with RAW discussion, but, with JPEG you don't want to use anything except ASA 80/100.
    Millions of opinions have been posted and some of are a bit baised, one way or another.
    One of the greatest user reports I've seen is at comment# 174 by Mr. Skip Hunt.
    I bet he has some comments for you about enlargements!
    I use Photoshop to do the noise removal, others use noise programs they like, also, most high grade printers will have a noise program that assists too.
    Good luck, good shooting, if you get an LX-1 or 2, I think you will have a good feeling about it.
    Lottsa threads have negative comments by users about other cameras, other than the known noise that creeps in, I don't remember hearing anyone bad-mouthing the LX-1 camera, at least from those who are user/owners.

    nick in japan at 09:18am on Thursday, September 07, 2006

  251. Hi.

    In response to KB's questions I bought my LX2 from eBayer chinaarts for £220 +£35 P&P & £10 insurance. I payed last Thursday via PayPal and received the camera yesterday via FedEx, without any import duty. This was my first purchase from Hong Kong and I am rather impressed (In the past I've bought various photo goods from the States and have had variable success with avoiding import duties). I think that somewhere further up the list, someone else in the UK mentions another eBay transaction that was similarly sucessful.

    For those interested in my first impressions of the camera, please give me a couple of days to evaluate it...

    By the way, I managed to sort the raw development issues in Raw Developer, which I have only as a trial version, and hadn't experimented with much before. It is possible to swap the colour values for the red and blue channels in the colour matrix section of the "In" tab. I presume for Photoshop we'll have to wait for an update to Adobe Camera Raw.

    Ewan at 11:18am on Thursday, September 07, 2006

  252. Hello Nick,
    thank you for your answer. I think i`m gonna get a LX1. Maybe there`s anybody who can help me with RAW to make my decision easier.

    macke at 07:20am on Friday, September 08, 2006

  253. Marcus, none of my business, but, why not the LX-2?

    nick in japan at 07:32am on Friday, September 08, 2006

  254. Hi Nick,
    because of the price.
    The best price for a new LX1 in Germany is about 250$ and for LX2 350$.
    I don`t have SD Cards yet, so I have to look
    for the best result that my purse allows.

    macke at 09:50am on Friday, September 08, 2006

  255. I`ve printed some pictures from
    and the pics from the LX2 does have less noise than the ones from the LX1 but if you don`t see the´m directly together the Lx1 pics are pretty nice imho.
    So for 100 $ less I think the Lx1 should be good enough for me.
    It would be very nice to hear something about Raw from someone.

    macke at 10:13am on Friday, September 08, 2006

  256. Please tell me where in Germany you are located, also, when do you plan on getting the LX-1? I have a friend in Germany, at a US Base there, and, together, we may be able to help you out.

    nick in japan at 10:29am on Friday, September 08, 2006

  257. Hello,
    the prices are wrong it`s 420 $ LX1 and 540 $
    for LX2. I live in Winterberg about 2 h from Frankfurt.

    macke at 12:48pm on Friday, September 08, 2006

  258. Macke, the LX1 is OK for 'occasional' RAW shooting, but if you plan
    on doing any type of action shots, you will be better off using JPEG.

    Regarding your choice between an LX1 and LX2, besides the LX2's
    noise advantage, if you plan on shooting in 16:9 aspect ratio much
    of the time, the LX2's widescreen LCD is a big plus over the LX1.

    GARY POGODA at 02:29pm on Friday, September 08, 2006

  259. Mackie, contact me at
    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
    I will need your mailing address in personal correspondance, I will send you the difference, you gotta get the LX-2!
    Semper Fi!

    nick in japan at 10:44pm on Friday, September 08, 2006

  260. Nick, now you have really intrigued everyone here by saying: "...I will send you the difference, you gotta get the LX-2!" I have already bought LX2 and its being delivered any time now, I would love to see if I really made a good choice by spending a bit more for an updated version of LX1. Would appreciate the same feedback if possible. Thanks

    jjdaking at 11:01pm on Friday, September 08, 2006

  261. #260, congratulations! You will, I hope , enjoy the LX-2! Please contribute your impressions you get, to this site, alot of folks need inspiration concerning the abilities of this camera.

    nick in japan at 11:46pm on Friday, September 08, 2006

  262. Macke -

    thanks for saying that bit about PRINTING, and comparing the quality that way -

    because, as you know, the problem with most people these days is that they don't actually take photos for printing any more. Most people think that they need to look at their photos 100% cropped and then say that the sensor has a problem, rather than making nice prints, putting nice frames on the photos, then stepping back to admire the overall aesthetic quality and enjoyment in the corrrect context and environment.

    AA at 12:12am on Saturday, September 09, 2006

  263. I am the (unpaid) archivist for a busy am.dram. on the UK south coast. My photo work for the co. includes full page character portraits and quarter page rehearsal shots, preferably unflashed. I'm currently using a Canon S3, which struggles to freeze movement on stills in our poorly lit rehearsal rooms. This is hardly surprising since I'm often shooting at 1/30th., f3.5 at max iso (800 on the Canon).However I am surprised to find that the superb video on the Canon can produce some nearly acceptable quarter page prints from frame-grabs off the video.

    So, I've become very interested in the HD video capabilities of the LX2, with a view to frame grabbing in low light, since it seems to me that this ought to provide a very acceptable small print. Can anyone with the LX2 confirm this or otherwise ?


    RayUK at 01:32am on Saturday, September 09, 2006

  264. RayUK, Very interesting story about "grabbing" and printing! I've always thought this was an interesting experience. I wish I could help you with a real good movie experience , but I have only tried one so far and it was a bit overexposed ,and, I really couldn't use it for anything, BUT, I think that the fellas that have shot LX-1 movies here, have had nothing but praise, and, therefore, there is no reason that the movie mode with the LX-2 shouldn't be a bit better, if it coincides with the increased picture quality.
    There is something special about the Panasonic LX image that is addictive!
    #260.. A bit more about this statement of mine.. Almost, a year ago, a fella I didn't even know, spent quite a bit of time to send me a heartfelt Birthday greeting, It touched me deeply, and, I felt a real good feeling about this Brotherhood, that I really needed at the time.
    It changed my life, and I vowed that on my Birthday, I would repeat the same kindness for someone else, someone that I felt would use and appreciate the thought. Macke fits the bill, because he shows so much interest and, may be begining a great future. I don't know him at all, as, I really don't know the fella that was so kind to me, we all know him as Gary Pogada, a brother I never had.
    I will keep the sentiment going, and hope that we see Macke's name up in lights because of an LX-2! ( not that he couldn't do it with an LX-1, but quality tools help)

    nick in japan at 03:34am on Saturday, September 09, 2006

  265. POGODA is the correct spelling, Sorry Gary, Shirt happens!!

    nick in japan at 03:37am on Saturday, September 09, 2006

  266. I have my LX2 for about a week.I've taken a few hundred pics all raw. I have found no prorams to process the images under OS X. Only GraphicConverter 5.9.1, but all raw files have a Purplish hue to them. The JPEG files are fine! Can anyone steer me to a program that will uncompress the RAW files correctly in either OS X or XP?

    Crash at 11:20pm on Saturday, September 09, 2006

  267. Nick

    Thanks for your reply - doesn't take me much further though, as this would be my main reason for purchasing (yet another) camera.If anyone has the chance of shooting a few seconds of HD video of some movement in a low light situation (children playing indoors ?)PLEASE let me know what a frame-grab looks like - don't need to see the pic., just your opinion.


    RayUK at 01:14am on Sunday, September 10, 2006

  268. Ray, OK! Just did a short HD video of Joe jumping and waving in a dim room with just a small overhead light. I can truthfully say that the video is AWESOME!!!
    A quick capture will be great, this video is sharper and captures more dynamic range than I expected.
    You have inspired me to do more video, no kidding! I have done some in the past, but normally it has never been sharp and exciting enough to motivate me to do much except when picture taking was done, now I am motivated to do it routinely!
    I hope others will submit their opinions too!

    nick in japan at 01:36am on Sunday, September 10, 2006

  269. Crash, I use GraphicConverter for OS X all the time (for JPEG). Besides
    being a superb program, they also have excellent support. If you email
    me an example RAW image shot in the daylight sun (i.e., without flash),
    I will forward it to the GraphicConverter developer Thorsten Lemke and
    hopefully he can resolve this purple hue problem.

    Email your RAW file to: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

    Gary's Parries at 12:42pm on Sunday, September 10, 2006

  270. #268
    Crikey Nick, I go to bed after writing #267 and on logging on today find you responded in 22 minutes - what kept you ?

    Many many thanks for your instant response - it looks like another LX2 sale. Next problem is where to buy - only seems to be one seller in the UK and he's 100 GBP more than Hong Kong ebayers. My daughter lives in Seoul and she's just told me that Korea is nearly as expensive as the UK, so I might follow Ewan (#251) to chinaarts. Ewan, if you're still following this thread - any likely warranty issues with this source ?


    RayUK at 03:17pm on Sunday, September 10, 2006

  271. I have had my LX2 for a week now, and it takes fantastic pictures! However, I am new to SD cards and have a question, which may be considered very stupid. Anyway:
    When I take pictures in the dark with a long shutter time, it takes a long time for the camera to process and store the picture. After a little testing, I have found that the processing/storing time is approximately equal to the shutter time, i.e. about 8 seconds with 8 secs shutter time. My CD card is a Panasonic 5 MB/s and in bright daylight there are no problems. I am struggling to come up with a good explanation for this one.


    Mads at 03:44pm on Sunday, September 10, 2006

  272. The camera is automatically applying noise-reduction to the image, because of the long exposure time. If I remember correctly, the LX1 also did this. I think it's applied to all exposures longer than 1 second.

    Mark Goldstein at 03:50pm on Sunday, September 10, 2006

  273. #270 I also ordered LX2 from chinaarts for GBP 220. I paid via wire transfer and camera was shipped swiftly via Fedex the same day he received the payment. Should arrive on Monday per local Fedex office. He is quite efficient in communication and assured that the camera with be switched to English, software and manual will be in English. I will update on Monday after I get hold of the package. Not so sure about the warranty, but I could care less as where I am based it does not matter, i.e. not going to be honored locally anyway.

    jjdaking at 06:07pm on Sunday, September 10, 2006

  274. jjdaking - thanks for input. Look forward to your Monday, or whatever, update.

    RayUK at 08:42pm on Sunday, September 10, 2006

  275. RayUK, Good luck with getting one, safe and sound!
    We are anxious to hear feedback on your impressions too, unbiased and without reservation.
    I sincerely believe that future models are made better from the input here, and maybe one or two other sites!

    nick in japan at 10:41pm on Sunday, September 10, 2006

  276. If that's the case hopefully Panasonic will fix the lame slow sync flash setting, lower the minimum ISO to 80, add threads to the lens, support TIFF and continue to lower noise.

    zymonk at 11:12pm on Sunday, September 10, 2006

  277. #271, try a faster SD card. I bought a sandisk Extreme III today and write times are about 1second now. Before shooting raw was taking 4-5 sec. remember @ 10mp file size is almost 20mb.

    crash at 01:26am on Monday, September 11, 2006

  278. General Statement:
    This Camera is not a fully complete, Professional SLR it has been designed for a niche target market. It does what it does and fails where is does also. Consider what we are getting for the funds we are paying, compact, versatile, Hugh levels of auto sets and features. We all have our pet areas we would love this camera be improved upon; and in future generations these failing may be attended to.
    What tipped my hand to purchasing this unit was all the settings; especially the white balance and; I took into consideration the movie mode; even though you can not use zoom while in this mode and I started out telling my self that I would only get a Camera that had this function available.
    If you compare this to a "Point and Shoot" it rips. If you compare it to an S3 it has some positives, size for one but fails in perceived Noise’ I am speaking form a Newbie standpoint. I you want to talk 10.8mp and Zoom ratios you will beat me hands down. For me the value obtained for the ƒ ? ? ? ? ? £ ? ? ? (Vatican City if any one is offering it ?) $ spent was inversely proportionate. The 'Noise Factor' is almost irreverent for my use as it is so much better than other point and shoots that I originally looked at. For others it is a huge let down... Maybe a camera with a different platform is for your needs. From what I have seen of the results there is not a lot in it..... . But things do always improve. Good luck to all in your decision making.

    Shamas at 04:22am on Monday, September 11, 2006

  279. Here is my report on ebay purchase from chinaart.

    Camera came via Fedex Priority in three working days. Good packaging. Inside: original manual in Japanese, English manual for LX1 provided on CD; original CD with software+CD with same software in English; charger DE-A11 without extension cord, it plugs directly into the socket (adapter for UK plug provided); all cords as per manual, battery DMW-BCC12, battery case. All in new condition. Most signs, writing on the box, in included manuals, etc. in Japanese. Overall, I feel like this is a fair deal - I already downloaded English manual, it cost me $420 excluding shipping, I got it 3-4 weeks earlier than it will be available in the US, quality is solid (although the lens cap is a bit flimsy, but I guess it was the same with LX1?). Very happy can't wait till end of business to go shooting. More will come later

    jjdaking at 11:28am on Monday, September 11, 2006

  280. Hi Nick,
    I´ve send you mail, die you receive it?
    I found another user review about LX 1:
    Can anyone tell me something about Raw treatment with the LX1, which programs do you prefer and why?
    Greetings from Germany

    macke at 11:56am on Monday, September 11, 2006

  281. #279.. Caps are the same, maybe flimsy, but, very well designed to stay on, in fact , it may be the best designed cap I have ever used.

    nick in japan at 11:56am on Monday, September 11, 2006

  282. Markus, no mail yet! Your questions should be referencing the LX-2!!

    nick in japan at 12:03pm on Monday, September 11, 2006

  283. The ONLY software that came only in Japanese is Silkypix - *(&*&^!!!! Where can I download English version? Or does anyone know how to switch it to English???? Thanks

    jjdaking at 12:15pm on Monday, September 11, 2006

  284. Markus, you need to send me ANOTHER mail, I have no problems getting mail, 20-40 per day, yours has not been there. I even scan the "Spamfighter" folder that holds my wonderful spam mails.

    nick in japan at 12:31pm on Monday, September 11, 2006

  285. Mads askes about prosessing time for long shutter times. I understand that the camera makes a "dark frame" for each long shutter-time shot. That is it first takes the picture for say 15 seconds shutter time and then makes an equal length exposure with the shutter closed for 15 seconds (dark frame) and thereafter subtracts the noise registered in the dark frame from the first exposure, thus giving you the best possible exsposure. Google dark frame for better explanation. Here is an example

    Gunnar at 02:42pm on Monday, September 11, 2006

  286. In North America the LX2 availability seem to be September 30, but my local camera shop just called me to say they received it (Canada).
    I'll try to go see it after job and check for the packaging's language

    m-a at 05:54pm on Monday, September 11, 2006

  287. Re:#269. I tried to e-mail you the file but it kept getting rejected from your isp so I've uploaded it to rapidshare. to download, click on "Free" and new page will open and d/l will start after inputing 3-letter/# code.
    File is aprox. 20mb's.

    Crash at 06:24pm on Monday, September 11, 2006

  288. Hello,
    I am a complete newbie and about to buy my first digital camera... probably an LX2.
    One thing that worries me (after reading post 245)... are Lumix pix fully compatible with Mac OS X computers? Can I use Photoshop CS2 (Raw and JPEG) or do I need an extra (like Graphic Converter) to do the trick? Any leads, suggestions?

    Lucas at 11:52pm on Monday, September 11, 2006

  289. Check this out:

    I think I'm going to buy the black one.

    AA at 12:15am on Tuesday, September 12, 2006

  290. AA, I would like to comment on your statement, I think you will find that if you decide to keep the LX-1 as a back-up, you can also have instant access to a different set of settings, ie. one set up for RAW, one for JPEG snapshots. There is nothing more disheartning than going out to shoot and having something go wrong with the LX, like the feeling I had when I dropped mine... sure I had other cameras with me, but losing an LX is something completely different.
    The black body, lens and cap are awesome!

    nick in japan at 04:07am on Tuesday, September 12, 2006

  291. Went to a new store here in Iwakuni, a huge chain that is a challenge to Deodeo, it's called "Yamada Denki", saw the black LX-2 priced at $ 456 ( at 114/$ yen conversion rate). This appears to be a pretty good price, for here.

    nick in japan at 10:16am on Tuesday, September 12, 2006

  292. Hi.

    In response to Lucas, 288, I have discovered that it is possible to use Raw Developer on a MAC with OS X to swap the colour values for the red and blue channels in the colour matrix section of the "In" tab. I presume for Photoshop we'll have to wait for an update to Adobe Camera Raw. I haven't tried any other raw developers as yet. The jpegs work fine in Photoshop CS2.

    jjdaking (283), It is possible to download a trial version of the English version of SilkyPix from I haven't managed to work out if I can get a serial number for this version, considering I got Silkypix Japanese version with the camera. However, It doesn't seem that impressive a software so I'm not concerned. I'll just wait for a Adobe Camera Raw update and in the mean-time use Raw Developer...

    Ray (270), the warranty for my LX2 is Japan only, but I'm not too concerned as buying from eBay Hong Kong allowed me to get the camera early in time for a trip abroad.

    Ewan at 11:24am on Tuesday, September 12, 2006

  293. RE:292 @ Ray can you explain in further detail how you manipulated RD to make your Raw images acceptable? I've also played around with Silkypix's trial version, while it's the closest of all programs I've tried to read the LX2's raw files it's reading the camera as a LX2 and saying it's incompatable and processing the images as a LX1 leaving a Blue tinge to all raw images.
    I've contacted Panasonic a week ago And still haven't heard back from them regarding what will work with these cameras

    Crash at 06:02pm on Tuesday, September 12, 2006

  294. Just got my LX2 today, I bought it in store and manual and packaging are in english (and french, I'm in Canada)
    This camera is small! Great build quality also. I'll try it tonight

    m-a at 06:23pm on Tuesday, September 12, 2006

  295. Back-up, Nick?

    Hand me downs, Nick, hand me downs - if the machine ain't broke, donate.

    All my previous cameras have been donated to the less knowledgeable - I enjoy handing it down to people who want a better camera than what they have at the time, and bring them up-to-date with current technology. So far, up until now, all those people were still using 35mm PnS! But this time, my LX1 will be handed down to someone who already owns a decent PnS digicam, but need to train their eyes to the new format of 16x9.

    16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!!

    Sorry, I had to emphasize that part, again. And again.

    AA at 09:12pm on Tuesday, September 12, 2006

  296. I'm interested in the Lx2 camera and have enjoyed the communication between participants.

    Gord Armstrong at 09:27pm on Tuesday, September 12, 2006

  297. AA, you previously told us about your giving nature, that's why I included the word "IF" in the first sentence.
    I wish you luck, I tried that with 2 folks and was snubbed, even tried to help someone get a LX-2 vs LX-1 with no luck!
    Seems like when you try to be nice to folks it doesn't work alot of the time, especially when folks are happy with what they have.
    Kinda like giving someone a Christmas present, alot get returned!
    I'm glad you finally got to appreciate the 16X9 ! ( But not enough to have a back-up)

    nick in japan at 10:48pm on Tuesday, September 12, 2006

  298. Question about the LX2 16:9 format:

    Can the LX2 take wide-angle shots in 16:9 as well as 4:3 mode?


    Sunny at 10:52pm on Tuesday, September 12, 2006

  299. Yes, you can even take shots in 3:2 format
    There is a slider on the camera to choose from the 3 aspect ratios

    m-a at 12:12am on Wednesday, September 13, 2006

  300. #298 (Sunny) "Wide angle" is an ambiguous term applied to an angle of view wider than the normal eye sees. Camera/lens makers will sell you a something that says "Wide angle", but in fact it is near normal view. I do not consider 35mm as wide, "slightly wide", maybe!
    Anyway, the LX models have a 16X9 sensor that captures approximately 75 degrees angle of view, nice and wide! When the slider switch on the lens is moved, the sides of that wide view are cropped for the 3/2, and more-so for the 4/3 aspect ratio.
    I'm not sure what angle you end up with in the 3/2, 4/3, but I'm sure Gary has those figures, my guess would be 35mm and maybe 50mm( 35mm camera equivilent)
    "Panoramic" may best be suited for an image NEAR 180 degrees, as in the stiched, in-camera image produced by the Kodak V570.

    nick in japan at 01:12am on Wednesday, September 13, 2006

  301. Nick, sorry for the delay. I've been traveling.

    Here are the figures you wanted. :)

    GARY POGODA at 01:49am on Wednesday, September 13, 2006

  302. Thanks Gary, been, it seems like a very long time, but, it sure has been a good ride with folks like you around.
    Nothing is more important than friends!
    Hard to believe that it's, now, half over!

    nick in japan at 02:07am on Wednesday, September 13, 2006

  303. Half way is a good place to be. You've learned many of life's lessons,
    and can still even remember some of them. :)

    Sunny, the LX2 lens translates to 34mm wide in 4:3 aspect ratio and
    32mm wide in 3:2 aspect ratio, which is not bad, just not 28mm wide. :)

    GARY POGODA at 03:52am on Wednesday, September 13, 2006

  304. Sunny, the trick is to shoot in 16X9 and crop the side, or, sides you don't care about, cropping to the 3/2, 4/3 ratio that you want to work with in your Photoshop, or other program.
    Shooting in a selected 3/2, 4/3 aspect will be quicker, but once it's captured there is no going back to get those sides you MAY have wanted.

    nick in japan at 04:04am on Wednesday, September 13, 2006

  305. Also, there is alot of image area in the difference between 28mm and 32/34mm, MUCH more difference in wide angle than in telephoto shots!

    nick in japan at 04:09am on Wednesday, September 13, 2006

  306. Hey! I've been following this and drooling over the LX2 for a while now (it is very drool worthy!) and I just got mine!

    Was taking some pictures to test it out, and let everyone know if it is as good as we all hope it is, but I'm a bit stupid... My previous camera was a digital point and shoot (easy enough to use and get right), and I wanted something where I could experiment with apertures and all the cool manual things; which I'm not very good at yet but I'm trying to learn.

    Anyway, my pictures outdoors in the sunshine were fine, but in lower lighting conditions still outside, I got lots of noise and not very good quality in the darker areas. It's something I'm not doing I think, as no one else seems to have this problem, but is it just the ISO that should be reduced (was having problems with it as it kept switching itself back to I Iso)?

    I'm hoping so, as I think I've not even begun to realise the full potential of picture quality, but what does everyone else with this camera think about the picture quality? And what is the best setting do you think? I've been trying a few but want to see if I can find a better one...

    PS Don't be put off, it's still a very sexy camera...

    Harley at 04:41am on Wednesday, September 13, 2006

  307. Thanks Gary and Nick for clarifying the wide-angle effect. I actually like the 28mm effect where the image gets stretched towards the sides and corners. Sorta like when you watch Monday Night Football on a widescreen -- I love the point of view and enhanced scope you get.

    In the LX2, I was wondering if its possible to have, in addition to the 16:9 aspect, the ability to further "stretch" the sides and corners of an image -- 16:9 plus wide-angle, if that makes sense.

    That's the thing I miss about the Canon S80 (not that I mean to keep beating a dead horse) :)

    Sunny at 05:07am on Wednesday, September 13, 2006

  308. Of course, the S80 wasn't 16:9! Forgot to add that point :)

    Sunny at 05:08am on Wednesday, September 13, 2006

  309. Sunny, yes, that is what you will get with the LX2, a 28mm wide-angle
    view with a stretched 16:9 aspect ratio.

    GARY POGODA at 05:24am on Wednesday, September 13, 2006

  310. Crash (#287), I forwarded your link to Thorsten Lemke.

    Gary's Parries at 05:45am on Wednesday, September 13, 2006

  311. # 306, IMHO, do NOT shoot in the "Auto" mode, nor use auto ISO. Evaluate your lighting conditions before you shoot, and select an ASA/ISO (Whatever you want to call it), remember that the wonderful image stabilization system will give you about 3 stops more for sharpness. That means, for ASA 100, your steadiness of the camera relates to shooting at ASA 800.

    nick in japan at 06:26am on Wednesday, September 13, 2006

  312. Thanks Gary. OK, I'm set on buying the LX2 when it becomes available stateside.

    One more question: Does the LX2 give you the option to shoot at different resolutions, like 6MP, 7MP, 8MP, etc? My understanding is that image noise becomes more pronounced as you try to squeeze more and more pixels onto the same sensor area. Where people complain that Panasonic should have kept the camera at 8MP and improved the sensor's noise-filtering, I'm wondering if there is not a work around on the LX2 by simply adjusting the resolution of each shot.

    Couldn't this be worked around by taking shots at a 6MP or 8MP setting on the LX2? So, shots requiring a low ISO setting can be shot at 10MP, while darker shots or those requiring a higher ISO can be shot at 6MP or 8MP?

    Sunny at 04:52pm on Wednesday, September 13, 2006

  313. thanks Gary! I hope Thorsten can come up with a solution. I recieved a call back from Panasonic, they have two tech's working on this and I believe they also fowarded my raw image to Silkypix.

    crash at 06:25pm on Wednesday, September 13, 2006

  314. He has your image and will check into it (right after the Apple Expo :)).

    Gary's Parries at 06:35pm on Wednesday, September 13, 2006

  315. Sunny, the LX2 does provide the option for lower resolution images;
    however, depending on the 'sophistication' of Panasonic's in-camera
    noise reduction algorithms, they will, at best, have only slightly lower
    noise, because you are still working with the same very tiny pixels.

    GARY POGODA at 06:44pm on Wednesday, September 13, 2006

  316. Dang it........

    it's beginning to sound like I should wait for LX3....... and not waste time time fooling around. The new one would probably be released in about a year anyways, right?
    I'm doing fine with the LX1 right now - should I drop another $500 for a newer version just because it has a 16x9 screen and more pixels, and the camera with the extra pixels not without its own problems, right?

    AA at 11:29pm on Wednesday, September 13, 2006

  317. I have had my LX2 about a week which I got out of New York via mail order, which they got from Japan... anyway, this is a great point and shoot camera. It is small, fits in the pocket quite easily. I say get one.

    perry at 03:11am on Thursday, September 14, 2006

  318. If a Canon S90 doesn't drop by the end of the month, I'm set on the LX2.

    Sunny at 03:22am on Thursday, September 14, 2006

  319. I've also been one of the ones following this thread with great anticipation and want to thank you all for the great info. After waiting and researching for a while I went ahead and over paid a bit to be able to get it quickly (I'm sure if I wait 2 more weeks I'll find it much cheaper). Anyway, I went ahead and ordered from N.Y. also with the packaged (1 GB card, etc..) deal and extended 3 year warranty.

    Perry (#317), out of curiousity did you also order from time2envy off ebay in N.Y.? Just wanted to know if anyone has ordered from them before since I will hopefully recieve mine in next few days.

    Quick question: The package I got comes with a 80x 1 Gig SD card. Is this fast enough or do I need a faster card for faster processing?

    Kewl at 03:36am on Thursday, September 14, 2006

  320. AA, if you can wait another year, you'll likely get another 2 megapixels. :)

    GARY POGODA at 04:01am on Thursday, September 14, 2006

  321. Having the largest sensor of the compacts right now, do you think that they may try for one just a little bit larger, and stay with 10mb? Seems like a viable alternative to dense-packed pixels!

    nick in japan at 06:15am on Thursday, September 14, 2006

  322. #319, time2envy is Broadway Photo. It's the hassel-free way of buying from them! no high pressured salesguy trying to sell you extras and you know they will ship timely,since their feedback depends on it! I bought my LX2 and a D200 from him (t2e) absolutly no problems whatsoever.

    crash at 12:46pm on Thursday, September 14, 2006

  323. Hi guys i searched the web and found a company that offers free international shipping for the lx2!!! have anyone deal with before? pls advice because im reallie interested to get the camera! is the battery for lx2 the same as lx1??

    sylvester at 12:48pm on Thursday, September 14, 2006

  324. Battery is the same for both!

    nick in japan at 12:54pm on Thursday, September 14, 2006

  325. Thanks Nick!

    Harley at 01:48pm on Thursday, September 14, 2006

  326. Kewi (319), I am the guy from #152. Got it from the "fishy" Prestige Camera. It came maybe a week after they said it would. I was a little nervous but it did come and without a manual, which I followed someones link on this blog to the AU manual, so didn't mind.

    I am a SanDisk loyalist so got the 1 & 2gig UltraII cards for my trip to Italy and so far they have been plenty fast for me. My approach to this camera is one as a glorified "happy snap" and it has exceeded my expectations.

    Perry at 02:49pm on Thursday, September 14, 2006

  327. Nick (#321), they're saving that for their 1" thick, lens thread model. :)

    GARY POGODA at 03:36pm on Thursday, September 14, 2006

  328. Canon introduced 2 new P&S cameras today.

    1. SD800is: 7MP, 28-105 zoom, image stabilizer, JPEG only.
    2. SD900: 10MP, 37-111 zoom, JPEG only.

    The LX2 still has better specs.

    kirk at 05:09pm on Thursday, September 14, 2006

  329. Someone said SD800IS? :)

    Sunny at 10:47pm on Thursday, September 14, 2006

  330. Gary (#327) Yes! The collapsable, Leica type, one. How they fitted those internal filters, ala Canon FD 15mm fisheye, is a marvel to behold!
    Guess the threads are for using the popular PL, and special effects filters!
    We are almost there!

    nick in japan at 10:58pm on Thursday, September 14, 2006

  331. Thanks Perry and crash. I didn't know t2e and Broadway where 1 and the same. Funny cause Broadway wants more $$$ than t2e when I called and they also wanted even more for the black :) Anyway, I just called and they said my black lx2 was shipped and is on it's way ... very helpful people at t2e btw

    Perry, I paid xtra to get it now because I also want to use this camera on my trip to Italy next week :) Glad to hear the 1GB 80x SD Card should work just fine. tx

    Kewl at 11:16pm on Thursday, September 14, 2006

  332. My gosh..all these new cameras have made me rethink my purchase decision.

    Due to the more pocketable size and new 28-105mm wide angle, I'm gonna have to wait for some reviews of the Canon SD800IS...yeah, the Canon. Although I'm relatively sure that the LX2, with its larger sensor, will be able to take better lower light photos, I'll be willing to give up the manual controls if the SD800IS has better IQ and performance than the SD700IS it replaces. I'd really like a more pocketable camera than the LX2, and I don't plan on shooting in RAW.

    Heck, with MY luck, Fuji will announce an F40 with OIS the day I receive whichEVER camera I choose.

    Tougher and tougher to make a decision, but I'm liking this competition.

    Marcosan at 11:38pm on Thursday, September 14, 2006

  333. Not a Fuji F40 but.... a canon G7!!!!!!
    more compact than the G6

    1/1.8 10.0MP
    6x Zoom 35-210mm (But not 28mm wide)
    Flash shoe (But no RAW File!!!!)

    that would be an interesting option if it wasn't about the RAW file.

    Jose at 01:21am on Friday, September 15, 2006

  334. BTW, there is the Fuji E900 that gives great big prints too and supports RAW for less money...

    Some1 knows about another compact that support RAW and HI resolution for big prints? Im looking for it and the only ones seem to be the LX2 and Fuji E900.

    Jose at 01:34am on Friday, September 15, 2006

  335. Although the G7 is just slightly larger than the LX2, it weighs almost TWICE AS MUCH!

    One question: Does that lens on the G7 retract into the body? If not, that's even worse! It wouldn't stick out even more than the LX2. :(

    Sorry for hijacking the LX2 thread.

    Back to our regularly scheduled programming. :)

    Marcosan at 03:10am on Friday, September 15, 2006

  336. Crash (#313), Thorsten Lemke has resolved the purplish hue problem
    you were experiencing with GraphicConverter 5.9.1 RAW files, and has
    posted an updated beta 5.9.2b(4) on his iDisk for you to download.

    From the Finder menu, select "Go>iDisk>Other User's Public Folder...",
    and when you're asked for the members name type in "lemkesoftgmbh".

    This will give you drag-and-drop access to the updated beta file on his
    iDisk at "GC latest beta/10.4 or later/".

    Just drag the .dmg file to your desktop, and then double-click it. When
    the GraphicConverter icon appears, drag it to your Applications folder.

    I did a quick test with your RAW image, and you can now see a yellow
    school bus and blue sky. :)

    Gary's Parries at 03:51pm on Friday, September 15, 2006

  337. Leica's DLux3 version looks sexier:
    And then there is the M8 that wiil cost as much as 10 LX2's. I'm not sure if it shoots in 16x9. For that much dosh it should. I don't like the design of the charger as much as the LX1/2's. It appears to have a chord. But I still find myself wanting one.

    zymonk at 05:37pm on Friday, September 15, 2006

  338. The D-Lux3 goes down to ISO 80! In the Leica press release they mention that it has "some image processing changes" as compared to the LX2. I wonder exactly what they are? Sadly I don't think they fixed Panasonic's lame slow sync flash setting.

    zymonk at 10:40pm on Friday, September 15, 2006

  339. Hallelujah! Thank You Gary and Thorsten!! My pics look great now! Thank you guys for all your hard work!

    crash at 05:20am on Saturday, September 16, 2006

  340. Not only does it go down to ISO 80 (per it is limited on the upper range to ISO 400.
    Maybe that is their way to solve the noise problems? Restrict ISO settings.
    I think I prefer the range of the LX2 to give me additional play and decide for myself, but it would be nice to allow ISO 80 on the LX2 too.

    And on a side note, I wish that Panasonic would allow users to turn off the automatic dark frame capture on long exposures.
    I don't want to take a 15 second exposure and wait another 15 seconds while the camera captures a dark frame for noise reduction.
    Give me the ability to take several pics at long exposure, capture a dark frame myself (with lens cap on), and then adjust for noise via off-camera software.

    Any chance that if Panasonic decides not to release firmware updates that they will make the firmware code open source or available so that we can we can tailor the code ourselves?

    I'm sure we have enough talented people here to change the code to produce the firmware variants that we want. And if Panasonic wants to adopt any changes and make an official firmware release from what we create- so much the better for their business and sales.

    Chris at 05:51am on Saturday, September 16, 2006

  341. Crash (#339), glad it worked out for you. GraphicConverter's support
    is the best.

    Gary's Parries at 06:20am on Saturday, September 16, 2006

  342. Max ISO is 1600, not 400. (from the Leica web)

    Jose at 10:03am on Saturday, September 16, 2006

  343. for the ones that say the LX have the larger compact camera sensor I think the Fuji e900 is bigger.

    Jose at 10:17am on Saturday, September 16, 2006

  344. #343, Jose, you are absolutely correct.. but it's a fuji! That may not count!

    nick in japan at 11:52am on Saturday, September 16, 2006

  345. Hi. I plan to use my camera to take quick photos of people in action outside in the city to paint from. I am a professional artist and art teacher, but new to photography. I have been using a Canon G5 as a starter camera, and the shutter speed is too slow to catch the action of the city. I also need the image stabilization, as my hand has a slight tremor(due to age and polio). I thought of using the new Canon Xt1 slr with a stabilizing lense, and I still intend to get one, but it is too heavy to just carry around all the time. I want the largest megapixel size I can get5 that I can afford, because I blow the images up quite large to work from, either in a print or on a screen. The LX-2 sounds like it might fit the bill, but I am wondering about the issue of digital delay. Additionally, I have been told that there is a difference between megapixel size in a point and shoot and an slr. Will 10 megapixels in the LX-2 give a decent level of resolution to paint from? Thanks for any replies I get, and please forgive my naivity in these areas. I hope to learn quickly, and this forum seems to be a very good one.

    Arthur Remes at 06:47pm on Saturday, September 16, 2006

  346. Arthur, unless you are really into shooting at 16:9 aspect ratio, I don't
    think the LX2 is "the" camera for you. At the standard 4:3 aspect ratio,
    its resolution is only 7.5 megapixels.

    Since you are currently a Canon G5 owner, I think the just announced
    10 megapixel G7 would be the perfect camera for you. It has twice the
    resolution of your G5, a 6x image stabilized zoom compared to the 4x
    non-stabilized zoom of your G5, a faster maximum shutter speed than
    your G5, and much higher ISOs than your G5 (1600 vs. 400), thereby
    allowing you to shoot at higher shutter speeds.

    Other improvements over the G5 are a much larger 2.5" vs. 1.8" LCD,
    as well as a much more compact (and lighter) body. There are also a
    few disadvantages of the G7 compared to your G5. It does not have a
    flip-out & twist LCD, it does not have a RAW shooting mode, and it has
    a slower F2.8 - F4.8 vs. F2.0 - F3.0 lens.

    All in all, I think this would be an excellent choice for you. Even so, you
    should still wait for one or two G7 reviews before making any decisions.

    GARY POGODA at 07:48pm on Saturday, September 16, 2006

  347. I agree with Gary, in my opinion The only advantages of the LX over the G7 (asuming their image quality will be similar) will be the RAW file option and the panoramic ratio. If you dont plan to use those, the G7 seem more versatil point and shoot. The canon G series have the reputation of goog quality lens as do the PanasonicLeica. also I have read reviews of the Fuji E900 (9.0 MegaPix)that says its capable of good big prints, and its bigger sensor gives better results in low lit/HI ISO settings, it also have a good lens. If you want to spend less money go for the fuji, if not go for the Canon or PanaLeica. Im lookin for the same as you and if I didnt need the RAW file I'll take the canon (if the quality of image is similar to canon G6 but with more pix it have to be really good!)

    Jose (sorry 4 mi bad english) at 11:09pm on Saturday, September 16, 2006

  348. # 345, Arthur, For some reason the new Pentax DSLR came immediately to mind when I read your comments. The Pentax lenses are plentiful and excellent, as well as light.
    Small bodied, it is just a tad more then the LX-2, add a lightweight lens and I think , perhaps the fit and feel, as well as the image stabilization all may be suitable to your needs.
    Please , at least look and hold one, and I'm anxious to hear about your impressions.

    nick in japan at 01:06am on Sunday, September 17, 2006

  349. I want to thank Nick, Jose and Gary for their suggestions. I'll take a look at those cameras tomorrow night when I am done teaching, and see what I think. I appreciate the help.

    Arthur Remes at 06:48am on Sunday, September 17, 2006

  350. Mr. Remes, I probably speak for the rest of the folks that hang out here, it's great to have you paricipate and share your thoughts with us. Being an artist, you bring a new and different perspective here!
    My teaching days were the best times in my life and I extend an offer of my collection of images for your use, if you can use them in any way in helping your students. No strings attached, contact me if you like..
    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

    nick in japan at 08:02am on Sunday, September 17, 2006

  351. Another place to see comparison shots from the LX1 & LX2:
    I'm liking the results from the LX2 and the results from Leica's Dlux3 will probably be even better.

    zymonk at 04:40pm on Sunday, September 17, 2006

  352. Hello, after reading some positive comments about the lx2 and after receiving some samples from Nick, I just purchased the LX2 and did some initial tests, mostly close-ups. Most of the pictures were made in Program AE. The pictures can be found at:
    During the next days, I will try to play around with my new toy to see how it behave :-).

    Werner at 06:49pm on Sunday, September 17, 2006

  353. Wonderful evals, without noise work from Photoshop or something else, there is obviously reason to use of both 1&2 for everyday snapshots, as commercial printers do a bit of noise tweaking themselves, I suspect.
    A bit of work to personalize our noise reduction will yeild some great enlargements.
    There is something about the LX images that do, infact, give a "Wow" factor, at least for me, perhaps if Panasonic takes the petition for firmware to control noise, to heart, things will even get "Wowier"

    nick in japan at 01:10am on Monday, September 18, 2006

  354. For those awaiting availability in the U.S.:
    I received notice that J&R shipped the black model to me this morning. I had it on backorder at a cost of $449.99 + $6.95 shipping. It should arrive next Monday.

    Chris at 04:06am on Wednesday, September 20, 2006

  355. Hello, I've been enjoying reading this forum for quite some time now and I hope to be getting an LX2 of my own soon in Australia.

    Just a quick question about SD cards. Is there any benefit to getting a faster card like an Extreme III over a card like an Ultra II to use for the LX2?

    I read somewhere that the LX1 could only write at a certain speed which would mean that an Ultra II (66x) was good enough but I haven't been able to find out if the LX2 writes any faster, which may warrant an Extreme III.

    Here in Australia I have found that there is only about a AUD$20 difference between the two cards (in a 1GB version) so its not too big a deal.

    The other thought I had was that in the future I may upgrade to a D/SLR so it might be handy to have the faster card.

    Just interested in other's thoughts on the matter.

    Bram at 02:57am on Thursday, September 21, 2006

  356. I picked up the new LX2 for £280 from the Panasonic auction this week! yay! 20th Sept 06. Hope to get it on Wensday. (Also, the 2G High Speed PRO card is only £87 on the pan shop site! Double yay!

    Dancer at 02:07pm on Thursday, September 21, 2006

  357. I'm waiting for Best Buy or Circuit City to receive the LX2. That way, I'll add the extended warranty and will have a short drive to have it repaired. I was going to wait on the SD800IS, but I'm really excited about the added option of the LX2 to natively shoot in 16:9!

    Sunny at 11:18pm on Friday, September 22, 2006

  358. # 357, chances are slim that you will need repairs, remember, you didn't buy a Fuji!
    Good shooting, awaiting your "Wow"!

    nick in japan at 02:48am on Saturday, September 23, 2006

  359. Photoshop CS2's new Camera RAW 3.5 plug-in opens LX2 RAW files!!!

    TS at 07:37am on Saturday, September 23, 2006

  360. Hello,
    here is my very big WOW!!!!!
    Image quality is incredible. Supersharp lens,
    OIS works perfectly. Shots with 1:2,5 sec. are still useable for prints in 10/15 cm without using a tripod. Macros are so fine you can count the hairs on the back of a bee, White balance works also fine.
    I´m very impressed of the first 100 pics.

    Hey Nick, thank you very much for convencing me to take Lx2 instead of Lx1. I´m so happy with my new toy i cannot tell.

    Good shooting to all of you!

    Greetings Markus

    macke at 12:09pm on Sunday, September 24, 2006

  361. Hello,
    here is my very big WOW!!!!!
    Image quality is incredible. Supersharp lens,
    OIS works perfectly. Shots with 1:2,5 sec. are still useable for prints in 10/15 cm without using a tripod. Macros are so fine you can count the hairs on the back of a bee, White balance works also fine.
    I´m very impressed of the first 100 pics.

    Hey Nick, thank you very much for convencing me to take Lx2 instead of Lx1. I´m so happy with my new toy i cannot tell.

    Good shooting to all of you!

    Greetings Markus :bug:

    macke at 12:13pm on Sunday, September 24, 2006

  362. Soooo, just out of curiosity, what kind of ISO's is the LX2 capable of without signficanct pp? Will it do a 400 ISO jpeg fairly well or MUST it be run thru NN?

    Unless something major is yet to be annouced at Photokina, it's between the Canan SD800IS and the LX2.

    Marcos at 04:13pm on Sunday, September 24, 2006

  363. I think Canon has 2 more camera announcements to make for Photokina:
    1. PowerShot S90
    2. PowerShot Pro 2

    The S90 will be a good competitor for the LX2. It should be 10MP, with image stabilization, and a 28-100 zoom. Hopefully a true 16:9 format will be added, but I doubt if RAW will reappear.

    We'll see tomorrow!

    kirk at 04:33pm on Sunday, September 24, 2006

  364. If there is a new S90... it will have an optical viewfinder. Some may find that a more important feature than RAW. Plus, the lens will fully retract, which is nice. No lens cap to fiddle with.

    TS at 04:53pm on Sunday, September 24, 2006

  365. How many of these camera companies actually make their release announcements at the show itself?

    I was under the impression that the smart thing to do is to make pre-release announcements in order to get the word out to reviewers, writers, and magazine publishers so they'll look forward to visiting your booth??? To release at the show itself says to me that the product is "no big deal".

    I'd put the likelihood of an announcement at under 10% at this late date. Hope I'm wrong.

    By the way, just saw some SD800IS samples on particularly sharp to these eyes.

    Marcos at 05:40pm on Sunday, September 24, 2006

  366. I disagree. Apple always introduces new product at the shows just because it is a big deal.

    In fact, Canon has introduced 10 new products over the course of several months to help spread out the press coverage. But, they still have a few holes to fill, and I expect that to happen at the show. Time will tell.

    kirk at 06:24pm on Sunday, September 24, 2006

  367. Kirk, if you're really trying to draw an analogy between headliner Steve Jobs unveiling Apple's new "latest and greatest" at Mac World versus Hashimoto Hakisaki making an announcement at Photokina, you really need to up your dosage.

    An S90 at Photkina? Less than 10% chance. As Randall said to Mortimer (Trading Places), "Would you care to make the USUAL wager?" $1

    Marcos at 06:37pm on Sunday, September 24, 2006

  368. Hi Marcos. The $1 bet is on!

    As you know, everyone copies Steve Jobs.

    kirk at 08:24pm on Sunday, September 24, 2006

  369. #360/361, Your double entry is heartwarming! Everything about cameras and photography is very subjective and opinions vary greatly, so, of course, my feelings may not have been exactly as yours. I would have liked for you to have used both LX models for a side-by-side comparison, but I feel you have found that the LX-2 is a tool that is going to make your photography more exciting! Good shooting, and, please, let us know your opinions, without reservations, along the way! Thanks for the "Wow"!
    #362, Marcos, ASA 400 is usually used when light is failing, therefore the noise that comes with dark areas in an image will be more evident, somewhat, but ,maybe you would be happy with 400. I always post-process my images, if just for a bit of sharpening or touch-up, noise work for areas that may need it. ASA 400 may require a minute or two more tweaking, IMHO.

    nick in japan at 10:50pm on Sunday, September 24, 2006

  370. Hi all, it's amazing to find a place with many users of lx2. I got my Lx2 camera and shot thousand of photos during my taiwan trip. The 16:9 ratio is awesome and great! I took some time to accommodate to the wide shooting. Here's my flickr and please feel free to comment...

    ktmcle at 09:26am on Monday, September 25, 2006

  371. hi guys wud like to ask if anyone knows if the ipod camera connector is compatible to the LX2 camera? if not are there any other alternatives to transfer pictures from the camera directly to a portable hard disk.. many thanks!!

    sylvester at 09:41am on Monday, September 25, 2006

  372. Thank you for sharing! Great pictures, love the shot out the window of the aircraft, I never had good luck at that, seems like I always got the worst window on the plane!
    Anymore comments? Did you try some video?
    Thanks again! Oh! Did you read the comments on the petition?

    nick in japan at 09:42am on Monday, September 25, 2006

  373. #370 I really enjoyed the pictures. The 16:9 format really seems to work well. Have you tried showing them on a wide screen tv? If so were you happy with the quality when projected to such a large size?

    Gord Armstrong at 04:00pm on Monday, September 25, 2006

  374. Hi ktmcle! Great pics, thank´s for sharing them with us! These are the first samples of what LX2 can do that make me want to buy the camera...Have you done any post processing in Photoshop for those pics? I'm particularly impressed with the picture from Kenting night market because it shows how the camera performs in street photography with low light and moving objects.

    Kalle at 05:41pm on Monday, September 25, 2006

  375. Thanks for your comments! The 16:9 format is great for shooting in different environment. Video qualty is great in 1280x960 mode. First time I see it on my intel iMac 17" I can't believe the video fit well in full screen! I only did some exposure adjustment in few of them. Most of them are ready for printing! Through I don't have a Tripod, the anti-shake system allow me to shoot in 1/15 sec with acceptable I guess ISO 200 is enough in most night environment...

    ktmcle at 06:01pm on Monday, September 25, 2006

  376. Well Adobe has just released camera raw 3.5, eventho the LX2 is not listed it works fine! Tested w/CS2 on my intel mac.

    Crash at 09:41pm on Monday, September 25, 2006

  377. almost has their LX2 review ready:

    [From ]]
    Bad luck delays Panasonic LX2 review
    Due to some bad luck, the Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX2 review will be delayed by at least a few dasy. I was almost done with it when the battery died. I opened the box to get the charger and there wasn't one! So, I'm waiting on Panasonic to send one out, and I'll finish the review as soon as it arrives.

    Sunny at 12:37am on Tuesday, September 26, 2006

  378. Anyone tried the Samsung SDC-MS61?

    Sulis at 11:13am on Tuesday, September 26, 2006

  379. Marcos... you won!

    kirk at 02:44pm on Tuesday, September 26, 2006

  380. " won!"

    Kirk, being the captain of a starship and all, had the thought never occured to you that I may indeed be a Marcosian? As you well know, the very survival of our species depends upon our genetic ability to be able to predict the outcome of future events with a reliability second only to the occurence of the event itself. Of course, being an earthling, this was a disadvantage you were not aware of before accepting even as minor a wager as you did. Do not worry, captain. I will not exact payment. As representative of the Marcosians, I bid you a safe trip.


    Marcos at 03:51pm on Tuesday, September 26, 2006

  381. I'm a fine artist in New Orleans and I've been following this thread for some time. Despite the naysayers regarding chip size and noise, I'm foaming at the mouth for this little gem (I'm sure next year's incarnation will be the clincher, dontcha think, but who can wait so long, right?). I pre-ordered the black LX2 from and still haven't heard a word. I hope to be taking it to New York City mid-October and will write and tell all how the images faired under close scrutiny and Photoshop CS2. I will only be shooting RAW files so my report will be just on how those panned out, no pun intended. In any case, I'm surprised it hasn't been reviewed yet by Steve's Digicams...seems there should have been an early release for the press to review.

    Loup Garou NOLA at 06:21am on Wednesday, September 27, 2006

  382. # 381, Good luck on your trip to my home state, I'm from upstate, north of Albany, wish you could get up there, anyway, I too will be going on a trip , the weekend of 7 Oct, and can't wait.
    The next best thing will certainly be a wonder to behold!
    Have you thought of doing a photo shoot of the terrible things that you have had to endure there in New Orleans? We all weep for you and hope the future will be better!
    Memories of "hope" captured by your new LX would certainly be inspirational to all that see them, especially in the 16X9 aspect!
    Good luck and best wishes.. welcome!

    nick in japan at 07:03am on Wednesday, September 27, 2006

  383. I have been reading te review on and the lx2 isn't comming out out of the test that good. Noise is still a big problem (lx1). Pictures come out a big blurry it seems.

    I was planning of buying a lx2 but after reading the test I'm not that sure anymore.

    Maybe some of you readers could recomment me a camera?
    The camera I'm lookin' for must have the 28mm lens and lots of manual controls. I would like it to fit in my jacket pocket ( so no D-SLR or superzoom camera. Also I will use it for takin' alot of nightshots (clubs and bars).

    Now I use the Nikon Coolpix 4300 with a wideangle lens on it, and i'm shootin' stock-photography with it in low light situations like night shots on the street and in bars ect. So... who can help me out and point me to a good camera I can take everywhere?


    Yota Kluit at 02:23pm on Wednesday, September 27, 2006

  384. Yota, the only wide-angle, fully-automatic, low-noise cameras of which
    I know are the Canon PowerShot S80 and A710 IS.

    The S80 is due for a successor from Canon 'shortly', and the A710 IS
    only goes to 35mm wide.

    GARY POGODA at 04:31pm on Wednesday, September 27, 2006

  385. The newly announced Sigma DP1 looks promising with 28mm, 14MP, captured on the biggest sensor so far built into a compact digital.

    Sunny at 06:51pm on Wednesday, September 27, 2006

  386. Yota,

    I am in Scotland and have had my LX2 for about a week and IMHO, noise is not a problem so far.

    I am sure that a big CCD on a SLR would create more detailed pictures at fast speeds but I am more than happy to leave the LX2 set on 100 ISO and dial in exposure time commensurate with light levels. I take many more shots than I would if I had an SLR or a less versatile compact simply because the LX2 like my old Olympus C50Z goes with me everywhere. In my estimate I will end up with many more opportunities, creative choices and therefore better pictures.

    My Sandisk Xtreme 3 2GB card holds over 80 RAW images and the included silkypix software makes processing a pleasure. I have already taken many low-light shots and a few outside night-time too and have yet to be disappointed with too high high noise levels. I have not once felt the need to pop up the flash and love the fact that this camera doesn't even suggest I am wrong in so doing !

    As a user I am happy to accept the LX2's technological limitations for the balance of control and convenience it gives me but wish the very best of luck in making the choice that's right for you.

    Ross at 06:58pm on Wednesday, September 27, 2006

  387. Sorry,

    I forgot to say that having taken many thousands of photographs with a 35mm SLR (Olympus OM-10 :) ) the capabilities of the LX2 are much appreciated and operations are second nature.

    Most importantly though, I wouldn't recommend the LX2 as a 'point and shoot' as the results in automatic modes would likey be disappointing in very many circumstances.

    Ross at 08:51pm on Wednesday, September 27, 2006

  388. #383, I would love to know if the review was performed with setting changes made to anything, noise reduction especially. Appears that he had set the noise reduction to it's highest setting, compared to the images that I am getting, I don't use the highest settings.

    nick in japan at 10:59pm on Wednesday, September 27, 2006

  389. @ #385 -

    Sunny, the effective optimum pixels are actually 4MP for the Sigma DP1. 14MP is interpolated.

    Cloudy at 12:34am on Thursday, September 28, 2006

  390. Correction, #384 should have read "fully-manual" not "fully-automatic". Sorry. :)

    GARY POGODA at 09:23am on Thursday, September 28, 2006

  391. Cloudy,

    Interpolated yes, just like 16mp is interpolated for the 1Ds Mk II, 12mp is interpolated for the D2X etc. ALL Bayer cameras yield interpolated pictures at their so-called "native" pixel count. The Sigma is not a Bayer camera, so in order for its resolution to be comparable with that of all other cameras, offering an interpolated resolution is wholly justified.

    Zoltan at 12:33pm on Thursday, September 28, 2006

  392. Zoltán, I hear what you're saying about the Bayer interpolation but
    not all interpolations are created equal. The Bayer CCD interpolates
    color information, which is not nearly as important to the perceived
    resolution as the intensity information interpolation of a Sigma CCD.

    GARY POGODA at 03:57pm on Thursday, September 28, 2006

  393. Right, well there seems to be a reasonable amount of intellect flowing on this thred so i'm going to lay down my predicament and you can all have it out (hopefully in a more cordial manner than some of the discussion above), then tell me what i should do...

    The time has come for me to upgrade my camera but i can't decide whether to go with an SLR-like (the FZ50, or Fuji S9100, Sony DSC-R1 or Leica V-LUX 1) or a compact (the LX2 obviously, or Canon PowerShot G7, Ricoh GR Digital, or Leica D-LUX 3). Essentially i'm looking for a versatile, robust camera that will take sharpest images under the most conditions. Thoughts? Any other make or model i should be considering?

    Thanks gang.

    NRC at 02:51am on Friday, September 29, 2006

  394. Thanks Nick in Japan. I'm postponing the trip to NYC--not sure I will be receiving the camera (silver is available but I ordered the black) in time...still for the Big Easy, I'm not going to be documenting the grieving process in New Orleans so much anymore--had enough to last a life time...although, today I biked past a big beautiful architectural lady past her prime in the Irish Channel and couldn't help but linger at the sight of both porches in front piled to the rafters with all the refuse left over from Katrina--couches, bikes, furniture, ceiling joists, beds, etc. Sad, strange beauty in the setting sun of twilight, you could barely see the huge house behind all the rubble the owner had taken out from inside (the roof must have caved-in)...

    Loup Garou NOLA at 03:19am on Friday, September 29, 2006

  395. Can someone tell me if I can put the LX2 in the shirt pocket. I am concern because of the protruded len.

    Jun at 03:29am on Friday, September 29, 2006

  396. Black frame (dark frame) noise reduction...

    I just got my LX2 and have been playing with it a bit in my post-work hours. Unfortunately I won't have much time to do lots of experimentation until this weekend. But since Seattle has had unusually clear skies, I have been able to take a few long exposures at night. ISO 400, f2.8, 15 seconds.
    This camera seems to take a "black photo" and does CCD noise subtraction at anything longer than a one second exposure. Without getting overwinded, I have played with doing an additional black photo subtraction (expose a shot with lens covered) with RAW files (which I convert to TIFF) and use the freeware BlackFrame tool at

    At best, I am taking a second pass at what Panasonic does internally, and it isn't the best method - I wish that I had full control via a good firmware.
    I don't want to bias anyone with my results, but you might want to try this method. I don't know if it would work for short exposures.
    If nothing else, you might be interested to try a black frame and see how much noise is still there after Panasonic does it's noise subtraction (view a RAW after a 2 sec or longer exposure with lens covered.)
    In a ideal world, there should be little or no noise after the "hot pixels" are subtracted.
    In spite of all that, I like the camera. A long exposure at night, even with the noise, reveals many more stars than I can see with the naked eye, and that is pretty cool.

    Chris at 04:51am on Friday, September 29, 2006

  397. # 393,#395, I can't find the key word to reply on, You finish with "Sharpest images under the,?, conditions? You list a nice variety of cameras , but the answer may be in what size camera you really need. The LX series, 1 and 2 are shirt pocketable with a bulge, I sometimes hang one around my neck and place it in a shirt , breast pocket , if I need to keep it close, but it is 2" thick with lens protrusion, thus, kinda big for a breast pocket, fanny-pac, coat-pocket, OK.
    I can attest to the robustness of the LX, I dropped one, pounded out the mis-shapen lens housing and now the lens works again.
    Deciding on a camera can only be done by your research, we all find pleasure in ones we use, the ones that faithfully capture our various needs, lastly,I don't think anyone here wants to tell you "what to do", except, read, read, read before you decide.
    "Sharpness" is ambiguous in that a small print can , indeed be sharp, where a large print can only be sharp with the help of larger sized sensors, quality pixels, and a bit of tweaking.
    Gotta decide on what size prints you will be doing... IMHO

    nick in japan at 05:26am on Friday, September 29, 2006

  398. #394, You have a wonderful way with words, images of "hope", the bright-side of the destruction...especially the faces that have a twinkle of hope in those eyes.
    Life is a memory, and those images of hope are awaiting your LX-2, along with those beautiful words. Thank you for your consideration!
    Semper Fi

    nick in japan at 05:40am on Friday, September 29, 2006

  399. NRC (#393), I would get the FZ50, the LX2, and the G7. :)

    GARY POGODA at 07:05am on Friday, September 29, 2006

  400. Nick in Japan:

    Thank you for your reply, much appreciated, but believe me when i say that i have done plenty of research. My post was deliberately ambiguous - it was an attempt to encourage you and everyone else contributing here to put their balls on the line (so to speak) and commit to a product. I have read review after review and they all do a wonderful job of telling me the limitations of particular cameras, but i am interested to hear someone defend a camera from all the nay-sayers tearing it to shreds. I know all the objective technical specifics of all the cameras i listed but i want somebody to insert some emotion into the debate surrounding each and defend their camera of choice. It can be so interesting and informing that way!
    As it so happens, i'm leaning toward to fz50 (despite the image quality problems (noise particularly and especially at iso 400+) resulting from Panasonic's insistence upon engaging in the ridiculous pixel race).

    And Gary, love your work – when in doubt, buy one of each, eh?! If only…

    NRC at 08:33am on Friday, September 29, 2006

  401. NRC, thanks for the update, I agree with you about the FZ-50, I use a -30 and I have a few issues with it , but that screen sure is nice!
    I just gotta ask you to look back at the Ricoh GRd, memories of my Olympus XAs', something about a super lens and no bling to think about, maybe the ultimate point and shoot. If I can find one at a discount, I would get one to carry with me as companion. I don't know if Ricoh will update it, looks like a smart thing to do if they could!

    nick in japan at 08:50am on Friday, September 29, 2006

  402. Nick:

    The GRd is one of the most appropriately designed compacts out there - it provides brilliant control over the photo-taking process. By most reports, however, the processor just can't cut it and the resulting images are grainy and noisy. It's an effect, one that some people love (i'm one of them), but it is only really good as a second (or third or fourth) camera. I'm looking for a number one.

    NRC at 09:47am on Friday, September 29, 2006

  403. NRC, Management of noise on these weany sensors seems to have been done pretty good up to ASA 200, on everything out there, the IS system in the LX, and 16x9, puts it ahead of most in the compact size. Ricoh's engine has good results up to and including ASA 200, and, with no zooming to worry about, ease of use should be nice.
    That's one of the faults I have with the FZ series, sensor size.
    Alot of us are awaiting the next generation of compacts that create images of Velvia quality, guess we wait, or put up with a bit of noise, and it's various engine controllers.
    I think a couple of my half-frame 35mm cameras, that can crank out 72 images per roll, can produce much better images, scanned, than any 1/1.65 sensor ( or smaller) out there, and that is frustrating!

    nick in japan at 11:47am on Friday, September 29, 2006

  404. Nick:

    I totally agree with you. Rather than creating 10MP cameras with iso 1600 capacity and itty bitty sensors, i can't understand why noone is developing and perfecting a 6MP that shoots those velvia quality images you talk about. It'll be interesting to reflect upon this conversation in three or five years - see where this all ends up. But of course, i can't wait three or five years. In fact, i'm not sure i can wait three or five days! I think that at the when it comes down to it i'll have either an LX2 or a GRd, or an FZ50 or Sony DSC-H5. Or, if i can bear the extra cost, a Sony DSC-R1. If it were you, which box would you be opening (and don't give me any of that beat-around-the-bush diplomacy :) - just your gut reaction )?

    NRC at 12:36pm on Friday, September 29, 2006

  405. Well, there is a new camera to think about. The Sigma DP1. It has a large Foveon sensor in a point & Shoot body. In fact, it's the same exact sensor that's in their DSLR... 14MP, 28mm fixed lens, but slow F4.0. Here's a link:

    TS at 08:11pm on Friday, September 29, 2006

  406. NRC, thank you for the confidence, but here is the clincher, without knowing if size actually makes any difference to you,and if your NEEDS and WANTS are specific in some areas, it's impossible to give you a gut feeling.
    I am never without at least 4 different cameras, either for a trip to the lotus fields, rice fields, a family outing, or a nude shoot. Why?, because of the complexity of each.
    Used to be those different cameras were film cameras, each performing a different function, and, with different lenses and different films I could widen my documentation abilities.
    A pro photographer does the same thing, different cameras, lenses and all set-up to get a different look, or fill a different need. That one camera around his neck with the wonderful 50mm 1.8 did the side-line close-ups too!
    On a nude shoot, I always carried a half-frame 35mm to use when I ran out of film and didnt have time to reload!
    Anyway, maybe you should think about this , get a quality compact, the ones you mentioned are fine, I'm partial to the LX-2!, and maybe a used FZ-30, to reach out with a telephoto, or even do wide shots( I put an OLD wide attachment, Canon, on my used, $230, FZ-30. Flip-down screen for the low shots, wide adapter gets me 28mm, AND, still can go out to almost 300mm with it attached. Image quality is great for normal prints and with a bit of tweaking, blow-ups are easy too.
    Presently I am addicted to the shallow, shallow depth of field I get from my old FD 85mm 1.2 mounted, via doubler/adapter, on my Canon 10D, and of course the Bigma on the 20D, for those bird shots.
    So there is my "gut" (today) LX-2 and a used FZ-30, or even a -20.

    nick in japan at 11:31pm on Friday, September 29, 2006

  407. Nick:

    Brilliant! Not your advice necessarily (not that it was bad advice) - but i'm not saying i'm going to go out tomorrow and buy an LX2 and an FZ30 - but finally a comment with some personal flavour! Although your first couple of sentences were a handy little disclaimer, you actually told me to what you are particularly partial. How refreshing! Getting to this point was reminiscent of pulling teeth (as they say) but we made it in the end. Thanks a bundle for the contribution - food for thought indeed. But for now, the reading continues....

    NRC at 01:40am on Saturday, September 30, 2006

  408. I would be grateful if somebody could enclose a download link to Adobe's RAW 3.5 plugin itself. Not the disk image on Adobe's site but the plugin itself, after it's been opened so that I can drop it into th e correct Adobe folder. Trust me when I say that I used everything known to man to open the disk images, "Mount", various links, various browsers, etc. And I can't use RAW Developer because I'm on X.2.8. I just want to get the images to open in Photoshop so I can convert them to Tiffs or PSDs. I'm on OS X.2.8 and for whatever reason, I cannot open the disk image from Adobe's site even though I'm running Photoshop CS2 on my OS just fine. I just received my LX2 today but can't see the RAW files! And I am using OS X.2.8 happily for now. Sorry this is not such a fun post--I'm very stressed with a deadline to send the only RAW photo I have of artwork for a deadline in a few hours and it won't convert. And the enclosed software does not seem to have a "save as" function or export at all! So I can't even report on the image quality down here in New Orleans yet because I can't open it in Photoshop and the bundled software is not very agreeable to me.

    Loup Garou Nola at 04:17am on Wednesday, October 04, 2006

  409. OS X.2.8 won't mount the Adobe download for the RAW 3.5 plugin that is why I'm requesting a link to the actual plugin itself if anyone's got it. Thanks so very much. Other than the incredible stress I'm under about not being able to convert or even see my RAW files in Photoshop when a file is due for a competition, my first response to the LX2 is that it's just terrific--now if only I could see the files. I'm only going to be shooting at 100/RAW files with noise reduction low or turned-off (hopefully with firmware update later?)...

    Loup Garou Nola at 04:26am on Wednesday, October 04, 2006

  410. Please forgive my hysteria--under a lot of stress--good stress but stress, nonetheless. I discovered a workaround that has alleviated my concerns considerably. In the enclosed software "Silkypix", the engineers swapped a more user-friendly "export" or "save as" function for its photographic counterpart of "development". So you can "develop" the RAW file as a Tiff file or Jpeg, etc. So all in all, I'm initially very impressed with this little camera and PROFOUNDLY happy about it all straight out of the box. The camera is a little miracle and I never even had to read the manual to get the little gem rolling right away. I purchased a very fast 1 GB card and everything is humming. I will report more if anyone wants to listen--that is once I get past an ominous Fine Art Competition deadline that will keep me up all night and give me coffee coke bottle eyeballs in the morning, no doubt. In any case, the image opened-up in Photoshop and the quality is very very nice for such a little old thing. Thanks much for eavesdropping on my momentary calamity!

    LoupGarou NOLA at 04:57am on Wednesday, October 04, 2006

  411. #410, anxious to hear all your impressions!
    I'm heading out to Kyushu on Saturday morning, returning Monday evening. Safari Land and an active volcano, plan on using the LX-2 alot, but I'm still deciding when and where to use the noise reduction, it has a blurring effect that is a bit over-whelming to me, but may be OK for some shots. I plan on doing some shots at the different settings.
    I do JPEG and probably need to get educated about RAW, as it appears to be the thing to do...maybe.

    nick in japan at 06:29am on Wednesday, October 04, 2006

  412. At first, sorry for my poor english (but I can understand what I will read).

    I had compact Nikon 7900 that goes to mechanicaly dead, and now I want to buy LX2 soon. After reading many comments and viewing samples, I have only one question to real users of LX2: what about phisical quality of it's matrix? Hot and dead pixels etc. Is Panasonic enough good producer for 10 megapixels matrix? What do you think?
    Or it is better for me to buy a less-megapixels camera from... other well-known brands for same price?

    I like all posibilities and special features by LX2, with its compact size no compares. But is Panasonic enough stabilly producer for such matrix, and will I have good camera when it will come to me in Russia - is a question... :-)
    (I already had experience with brilliant world reviews and a very poor quality with same product in Russia. And now stability of production is important factor for me.)

    Sorry, sorry, sorry for my english again.
    May be you understand me?.. :-)

    Greg from SPb, Russia at 11:20pm on Wednesday, October 04, 2006

  413. #412, Da! If you plan on huge blow-ups, I recommend a camera with a larger sensor. I use the LX-1 and LX-2 with alot of happiness.
    I think that Panasonic has made some great advancements with their FZ series, I also use the FZ-30 and 20, and quality is EXCELLENT, BUT, they are not compact caneras, ALMOST, but not as compact as the LX.
    I hear no serious critism of Panasonic, please review reports on Panasonic models, there are some in-between sized models too, that are EXCELLENT!
    Dosdidonya !

    nick in japan at 04:36am on Thursday, October 05, 2006

  414. #413, thank You for answer. I don't find any user statistics about quality of last generation Panasonic matrix on web (only second way, past analises as noise comparing etc). Probably, this means OK... Than i write here to ask real users.
    (and I think noise on LX2 raws is not critical at all, compared with it's blue/pink chromatic aberration!)

    Is there any special software to view existance and quantity of hot/dead pixels, as Cannon users have? Or I can to view only raws after all in-cam procedures?
    Panasonic already made closed for exploring firmwares and camera ports, yes?

    I think, Dosdidonya = Dosvidaniya. :) But your russian is better than my english. :)
    Thank You.

    Greg from SPb, Russia at 01:07pm on Thursday, October 05, 2006

  415. Hi Greg. I live in Almaty KZ, and bought LX2 through ebay. Kamera prishla v otlichnom sostoyanii. Mertvih pixelei net naskolko ya mogy sydit po snimkam. Ne dymau 4to eto problema, a to mi bi slishali ob etom. Kamera otli4naya po vsem parametram, no shym vse zhe est pri nedostatke sveta - snimal ve4erinly tolko s vspishkoi i poly4ilos neploxo. Sprashivai esli nyzhna eshe infa. Poka

    jjdaking at 01:55pm on Thursday, October 05, 2006

  416. Greg, I surely hope that #415 are the answers you need about your RAW questions, I shoot only JPEG, altho I did download the RAW plug-in last night to get started learning about it. As far as I know there is now firmware available for the LX series yet.
    I use Photoshop CS2 for all my work with noise reduction, various modes.
    My Ukrainian model pronounces Dosvidoniya with a "d" sound vs the "v", that's my excuse for the wrong spelling, sorry, I'm from Lithuanian background but haven't mastered English yet, so please forgive my feeble attempt to make you feel at home here.

    nick in japan at 10:58pm on Thursday, October 05, 2006

  417. OOPS! That should read " there is NO firmware available for the LX series yet"
    ( Got to learn to proof-read too!)

    nick in japan at 11:01pm on Thursday, October 05, 2006

  418. #415 spasibo za infu, no ya ne hotel by pokupat' cherez ebay iz-za garantii. Ochen' skoro LX2 budut u nas v Pitere v salonah. I ya opasayus' narvat'sja na ocherednuju otbrakovku v "tret'i strany", kak uzhe naryvalsja ne raz s nekotorymi proizvoditeljami...
    Izvini, ja popytajus' pisat' na anglijskom dlja praktiki, i chtoby mestnye ne obizhalis'. :) OK?

    Sorry for quick marsian conversation. :)
    My opinion about some part of matrix noise based on hot/dead pixels remapping process. This is built-in camera process, well studied on Cannon cameras for example.
    All such pixels known by camera and listed in service area. When you make raw shot, camera approximate/interpolate known bad pixels and you NEVER view shuch pixels on shots made with NEW camera. If pixels "fall down" for the times ago, monthes or years, you will see NEW bad pixels only. Your camera needs "remapping".
    (For Cannon cameras is exist some "hacking" software.) All new cameras is well-looking. :)

    For quality of pics, approximated/intepolated pixels views as... of course a noise!
    A part of noise have this genesis, more or less part.
    If we have MORE noise (as on a very huge 10 mpx, but a very little in size LX2' matrix) - how can we know what procent of noise takes by simple bad produced matrix, not established factory technology?

    My question is about any software and usb port interaction for real matrix statement controlling. And prognosis. Is there any for Panasonic?

    I need to repeat, LX2' matrix noise, as I view on users RAW samples, is NOT problem for me. Sylkipix or Ninja will make good job.
    And high level of chromatic aberrations is not problem too (working with it is more and more difficult).
    But how I see, nobody can view real LX2' matrix mistery... :-(

    Well. I will risk. I like this mistery cam.

    Thank You all for patience.
    If You have additional info, please write/send me at gregjarikov(at)

    Greg from SPb, Russia at 11:10pm on Thursday, October 05, 2006

  419. Well, Nick, if RAW is pre-processed, JPEG is pre-and-post processed.
    I see on samples, that JPEG noise after in-camera reduction is bad. And working on JPEG for high quality pix is more difficult.
    But after some noise reduction in RAW converter (I try SILKYPIX Developer Studio 2.0 SE v. Panasonic Edition, sended to me by one friend from FZ50 box for test), or unreducted with raw converter, but with Noise Ninja (+PS CS2) quality of pix is enough for me.
    Very well. I planned to use RAW mode with LX2 only.

    Greg from SPb, Russia at 11:38pm on Thursday, October 05, 2006

  420. Nick, all I can assume is that you never really blow up your photos from these cameras to their maximum allowable sizes, am I correct?

    RAW processing can be a bitch sometimes, but there is serious joy in it once you see that light. I don't think you will ever go back to shooting JPEGs only once you figure out the HUGE differences in the good results from the RAW as compared to the scrappy JPEG.
    Especially for someone like you, who seem to spend a lot of time with CS2 trying to make the JPEGS pretty - and all you ever needed to do was use RAW. I KNOW for a fact that you will regret not having shot a lot of your past photos in RAW, once you see the light.
    Then, you won't be so afraid to blow up the photos to their maximum possible print sizes.

    Greg, you are right - the JPEGs are just not that good from this camera, even a quick glance at some of the samples prove that - you don't even need to look at them in detail to see the drop off.

    The RAW isn't perfect either, but it is coming from a small sensor after all.

    Still, I am going to wait for the next version.

    AA at 02:06am on Friday, October 06, 2006

  421. AA, Thank you for your comments.. I Do, occasionally, make enlargements, only for a full page in my photo albums project.
    I just returned from the rice fields, farmers are cutting today, and actually shot my first RAW images, only 4. I will attempt to open them in CS2 now that I have that plug-n, but it will have to wait, as we are leaving tomorrow for 3 days in Kyushu.
    From what I have read, the RAW processing is time consuming, something I don't have alot of. I shot about 50 images this morning, tweaked about 20, getting ready to send Gary my favorite. It's almost 1400hrs and about time to start getting the van packed, Joe picked up from school and supper started. I will try and see how much time it takes to do the RAW thing, but I'm a bit leary about if it will be worth it. I am not selling, nor engaged in real pressure to produce contest level prints, so the RAW thing seems , maybe, to be a bit of icing on the cake.
    What, exactly do you do with your images? It sounds like you routinely make large prints, for a gallery? I'd love to see your work somehow.
    I am happy that RAW works for you and, maybe, just maybe, you are correct about a transition for me, but , it's the time factor that worries me. I will try and understand the new process next week, as you know I am not too fast!

    nick in japan at 05:49am on Friday, October 06, 2006

  422. Hey, wow, I "tried" to go through all the comments, was tough, but I skimmed through. I read the reviews on DCRP and Camera Labs. Sigh, after the LX1, which I hesitated on, I was hoping the ISO situation would be fixed, the 16x9 really is a draw, but I had some more techy photo questions. I'd call myself amateur to skilled, but by no means an expert like some people here posting seem to be. If anyone would be able to help me with some photography questions please email me at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address), or post your email here, and I'll email you. Thank you.

    John at 08:28am on Friday, October 06, 2006

  423. John, please post your questions here, there are some folks here that have your answers.
    The wonderful thing about doing that is, that we, that arn't so smart, get to read and learn. There are many, many folks that want to ask your questions too, but are too shy to write.

    nick in japan at 09:23am on Friday, October 06, 2006

  424. #421 Nick, You ask AA, but I use raw procedures even for small prints.

    I have A4 color laser at home, and my wife present me a small 15x10 Samsung 2040 sublimation photo printer at my birthday (I wander :). Well, she do this for herself of course :). And I found good quick algorythm for printing LX2 raw samples with such small 15x10 as Samsung.
    I do converting a RAW in Sylkypix with a little noise reduction, adjust what I need in PS CS2, resize image double size down (this is good noise reduction too), make some unsharp mask, crop image to 3:2 if I need, and print for 15x10. Views perfect! No noise. No glance.

    300 dpi sublimators have about 1752x1170 pixels resolution and you can reduce LX2' full raw 4224x2376 pixels image exact (!) for /2, and if you need do some cropping by moving crop frame a little left or right for composition alignment.
    Very good sensor resolution exact for 300 dpi printing! LX2 is win!

    When You know Your camera and have raw converter already tuned, spended time for paper copy with some fine tuning is about 5-10 minutes. But if you need to convert many hundreds of photos, you need some batch converting software, and quality will decreased of course.

    Greg from SPb, Russia at 10:40am on Friday, October 06, 2006


    Three moonlit exposures (30-60 seconds) via LX2 from a windy SW Scotland tonight - hence the streaky clouds and soft trees. Amazed how well colours are captured though.

    Ross at 10:53pm on Friday, October 06, 2006


    And another one @ 60 second exposure in the 'harvest moonlight'. ISO 100 RAW tweaked in Silkypix.

    Ross at 01:20am on Saturday, October 07, 2006

  427. Ross, I'm happy to see that someone else is also doing some long exposures with the LX2. You have some nice pics. This camera can do much more than the normal daylight photos.

    But you may have noticed that for every long exposure you take, the camera takes a second "black frame" exposure to reduce noise. So a 30 second exposure takes 60 seconds plus a couple of seconds for internal processing.

    And I think it does a good job, but I wish that I had more control, or could turn it off completely.
    Have you tried taking a second black frame and doing another pass at noise reduction? I have had mixed results doing that. I wish I knew what method Panasonic was using to reduce noise on long exposures, because whatever they are doing affects JPEG and RAW.

    Anyway, great pics and thanks for posting them. This is one of the best "harvest moon" (see ) so folks should be out taking some photos of it!

    chris at 04:06am on Saturday, October 07, 2006

  428. Chris,

    Last night's pics were lazy ones from my doorstep but as I was most impressed by the colour information captured I will pocket the mini-tripod for later. BTW, is this what an owl sees ? !

    Here is a 100% crop from a jpegged raw-RAW (i.e. no NR or changes made in SilkyPix). Noise is noticeable but IMHO quite acceptable for my own fun purposes as I am quite happy to play around a little.

    I would like to see Panasonic extend the 'speed' range of the CCD to allow well-balanced long exposures during bright daylight too. I wonder if this is technically possible / achievable via firmware perhaps ?

    Whilst I understand the reasons, the extra black-frame exposure is a little irritating at times particularly when the light seems just right for another shot and the camera is still busy ! I haven't tried overlaying / subtracting my own dark frame yet, I will look up a 'how to' somewhere and give it a go.



    Ross at 12:16pm on Saturday, October 07, 2006

  429. Adobe releases Camera RAW plugin for LX2!

    Hey Folks! Adobe just released the Camera RAW plugin 3.6 for the LX2! I have it installed and a raw file from my new camera open in CS2 now. Also Adobe released an update to CS2. I LOVE my camera but haven't kicked the tires enough to file a real image report.

    Loup Garou-NOLA

    Loup Garou-NOLA at 04:59am on Tuesday, October 10, 2006

  430. #429, haven't heard that expression in a long time, lottsa folks may not know the good old way of checking tire pressure, iron bar works good, Japanese do the vehicle inspection with a small hammer!
    Anxious to hear your semi-final verdicts, I did some sunset/sunrise images while on the trip, suprised at the quality, pleasantly! The future LED screen will have to be the OLED, tilt, for sure!!!

    nick in japan at 07:58am on Tuesday, October 10, 2006

  431. Hi all,

    I did some night shot recently with my lumix lx2, all in ISO100. Here's the flickr account:

    Little BuBu Flickr!

    ktmcle at 05:21pm on Friday, October 13, 2006

  432. Having had all the initial excitement and the inevitable disappointments about what has not been delivered in the LX2 we seem to be getting to a consensus view, on which those like me who did not rush straight in can now make decision on whether to buy. Thanks everyone for your contributions. The recent review at seems to confirm it’s really the only option if you want a tiny camera and want to have full control. I am not ready to give up my MF gear entirely, but I am prepared to make sacrifice of higher ASA speeds not to carry about 7 kilos.

    RAW seems to be the redeeming feature and I guess that future versions of noise reduction software will only get better at preserving the data we are currently smearing, and could be applied retrospectively. Are many of you out there shooting RAW as a realistic option, or is it just too slow and fiddly to post process?

    Since most of the noise problems seem to be in the colour information, how do people like the B&W images it can produce. I have not seen any posted or commented on.

    One thing I don’t think I could live without is a polarising filter. Can you just shove one in front of the lens, say a big Cokin one or a 60mm one, or is there some means of mounting one properly?

    I hope it is encouraging that Panasonic has released a firmware update for the DMC-L1. How is the petition going? What else do we want apart from turning off the NR? 50 or 80 ASA to squeeze out a bit more quality?

    Do we know what the Leica buyers are getting extra for their money, other that the red spot? They still seem to have 80ASA

    Hoping to get an LX2 from the US.-.$380 versus about £300 here in the UK. Would there be any problems with regard to the charger other that needing a plug adaptor?

    Please keep posting!

    Beeman at 10:38pm on Friday, October 13, 2006

  433. #432.. I too love what the PL can do, use it always on some of my lenses, the coatings on the LX series lenses are superior and will do a great job, but, yes, there are times when a PL is needed!
    I built a filter holder for my LX-1, described it at length in the LX-1 thread, a looooong time ago, esentially it was an olympus lens hood that fit a 62mm filter at a length that didnt interupt the lens articulation. It has a screw that pushes a contact that clamped it to the flange of the lens housing, where the printing is.
    I used it in conjunction with a Sony Ring Light too, giving me filtration and lighting at the same time for close-ups.
    There was no vignetting and worked well!
    If you want to see some images of it, please e-mail me and I'll send them...
    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
    I love both the Lx-1 and 2, took some shots yesterday of a persimmon tree and the noise in the sky was all but gone, good light is a real factor in getting great shots , even in JPEG!
    Good shooting!

    nick in japan at 12:09am on Saturday, October 14, 2006

  434. How do you place your LX2 when you leave it on the table? I am afraid to lay it flat (with LCD touching the table) which might cause scratchs on the LCD. Please share how you did it and if you have any idea to proctect the LCD.

    Joe at 02:33am on Wednesday, October 18, 2006

  435. Joe, the LCD is pretty scratch resistant, I personally put mine in a little case if I put it on something, usually it is around my neck.
    " Necessity is the Mother of Invention", if you need to place the naked camera on a table top, why don't you invent some end/body cushions... like a real thick hair-band , that will stretch arond the body and provide a cushioned area for the camera to rest on. The trick would be to get something thick enough to protect the screen area... Let us know if you come up with something interesting!
    Good shooting!

    nick in japan at 03:00am on Wednesday, October 18, 2006

  436. Nick, I assume you have a much longer strap when you hang the LX2 around your neck since the original strap is so short, it is only good for the hand. Your suggestion of using a hair band is pretty good, I will look around at local store. Thanks

    Joe at 07:14am on Wednesday, October 18, 2006

  437. Right, that is a wrist strap to prevent dropping it!
    Actually, usually I have the camera mounted into the hot-shoe of either my DSLRs or EVF cameras, I made a few adapters from old , broken, flashes, the shoe foot being hacksawed off, a 1/4 20 stud inserted and the unit screwed into the tripod mount of the LX-1, or 2. This allows me to carry the LX camera without a strap, piggyback on the other camera.. Nothing more annoying than a bunch of cameras around your neck!
    Restrictions to this arrangement are that with long lenses I have to zoom out a tad, and sometimes the flash on the bottom camera doesn't pop up far enough, solved by just sliding the LX back a bit and retightening the lock wheel.

    nick in japan at 07:38am on Wednesday, October 18, 2006

  438. It would be great if these Panasonic LX2 (and leica/alikes) cameras had a strap lug on each side of the body so it could be worn around the neck, instead of having to hold it in one hand or keep it in a pocket or camera bag. I am a professional photographer, and I use these point and shoot higher end prosumer digital cameras on assignment for quick unobtrusive shooting in sensitive environments. Add the option of a neckstrap, PLEASE. At least have an upgrade at the Panasonic/Leica repair centers that allows the extra lug to be added on.

    Steven Fink at 04:33pm on Wednesday, October 18, 2006

  439. I agree with you up to a point Steve!
    Indeed, 2 lugs place the camera in a horizontal , traditional position, but, the camera would then need an actual camera strap to complete the look. The camera is too small for that, get a thin, and strong, chain-like neck string-strap, and it hangs in the perfect position to slip in your shirt breast pocket to keep it from swinging around while using the DSLR.
    Like a smooth guitar strap, allowing the guitar to be repositioned easily while the strap is in use, the thin string strap for the LX ( I use a metal chain) also allows the DSLR strap to be used without much confusion, as 2 big straps would present.
    The LX is a bit big for leaving in the shirt pocket all the time, but is necessary to protect it when you are trying to get into some low positions where a "Dangling" camera is gonna be bumping/swinging around.
    This feat can't easily be done with a 2 lug camera, but, I agree, there are times when I would like to hang the LX like my M3!
    2 lugs gives the impression also that this is a 2 hand camera all the time, it isn't!..........IMHO

    nick in japan at 10:49pm on Wednesday, October 18, 2006

  440. When I have multiple folders, how do I jump from one folder to another when viewing picture. i.e. From folder 105 jump to 102 or from 108 to 107.

    Joe at 05:08pm on Sunday, October 22, 2006

  441. I have jpeg pictures taken by other camera. Can I use one of the LX2 supplied program if any to copy the other jpeg files onto the SD card and expect it to be played on the LX2.

    Yee at 05:43pm on Sunday, October 22, 2006

  442. #441.. I tried once to read a card from another camera in the LX-1, and 2, it didn't work for me, BUT, it may be compatible with information from different cameras.
    Gary may have a solution to this, codes that signal compatibility can sometimes be written, by the user, to make the card useable, at least it can in some hand-held games that use cards imprinted from cameras so you can view your photo images on them.

    nick in japan at 11:11pm on Sunday, October 22, 2006

  443. With some cameras, you can just hook the camera up to the USB port of a
    PC and then, when it appears on the desktop, just drag JPEGs onto its card.
    If you put the JPEGs into an existing folder using the correct file numbering,
    they can then be read by the camera. Nick will have to verify whether you'll
    be able to do this with the LX2.

    GARY POGODA at 04:35am on Monday, October 23, 2006

  444. There is a procedure for assigning a completely new ID to each image to enable that image to be viewed by, specifically, the game PSP. It is a pain in the backside and when I did it for my Son, and his PSP, I attempted to rewrite the same info to enable viewing in a specific camera, I don't remember which one. It did not work, and I never attempted it again.
    As far as my cameras go, the only camera capable of reading another card, even without redesignating the file codes, is the Sony F828. Canon 10D CF card with Canon image can be inserted into the F828 and trimmed/resized, without any ID changes initialized by the user, the camera assigns a new number to the resized/trimmed image.
    I recall something about LX images from the camera, once post- processed, cannot be shown in the camera again too.
    Someone that has alot more brain power, and patience than I may have a scheme for using the LX camera as a slide-show of post-processed images.
    There are many storage wallets that have wonderful screens, and the software to show just about any image, from any source, pretty reasonably priced too!

    nick in japan at 05:58am on Monday, October 23, 2006

  445. 442#, 443# and 444# Thanks for your replies. Gary, your suggestion might work if connecting the camera to PC allows me to write to the SD card. I will try this. Nick, you said "I recall something about LX images from the camera, once post- processed, cannot be shown in the camera again too." What do you mean by once post-processed? Do you meant worked on the file on PC then write it back to the SD card; and you can no longer view the picture on the camera

    Yee at 08:12am on Monday, October 23, 2006

  446. Yee, yes, that is correct, even if the post processed images, original size, or compressed to e-mail size are sent back to the camera generated folder, they cannot be read in the camera (displayed)
    A bummer if you want to have a bunch of e-mail sized shots to show-off to that nice looking gal sitting next to you on the plane! The wide-screen will display the shots that have not been sent anywhere else for tweaking.
    I just confirmed this with my camera.
    When you save the tweaked image BACK to the original folder, the camera appears to try and display it, an empty screen appears vs the alert "No Images To Display" when trying to review older images written to the card, folder, or not.

    nick in japan at 08:55am on Monday, October 23, 2006

  447. The trick is getting the camera to believe that it is it's own image.
    I don't know the procedure of codes that must be sequentially applied to an image for it to show up.

    nick in japan at 09:00am on Monday, October 23, 2006

  448. I was also disappointed when I tried to save back images to the camera in LX1. But later I read in the documentation that you can use the supplied software to 'export' images back to the camera. Never tried it because I didn't use the software that came with the camera. You can try this ..

    Li at 03:04pm on Monday, October 23, 2006

  449. "Send me someone that reads" So true, so true! Thanks Li, nice to have you back!
    ( have an excuse, all my manuals are in Japanese, and getting my wife to translate is a real chore!)
    For those wanting to use the LX for slide shows of favorite images, here is the answer! Thanks again Li!

    nick in japan at 11:00pm on Monday, October 23, 2006

  450. Nick, here is the manual in English

    Joe at 02:53pm on Tuesday, October 24, 2006

  451. Thanks Joe! I needed that! I owe you!

    nick in japan at 10:24pm on Tuesday, October 24, 2006

  452. Nick, the link in #450 is for the camera's manual. You can have lots of fun reading it but please don't search for the 'export' option in this one. This was mentioned in the printed pages that came along with the software ..

    Li at 03:20pm on Thursday, October 26, 2006

  453. Thanks Li! Good info, personally, I don't have intentions of doing any exporting, but knowing where that info is is important as the the information itself!
    By the time I get around to doing a slide-show on a compact, new and better stuff will be out, particular in mind is the new screen development called OLED, can't wait to see one in a widescreen! Sanyo has the OLED screen on one of their video/still cameras, but the shop I deal with doesn't have one to look at yet.

    nick in japan at 10:41pm on Thursday, October 26, 2006

  454. Bought LX2 from overseas. The CD for the software is probably in Japanese because my PC shows bit & pieces of such characters. Does anyone knows whether I can download the software in English from a website. I especially need the one for RAW images. Thks in advance.

    Tristan at 05:02am on Friday, October 27, 2006

  455. Tristan: You can download Silkypix 3 beta (for RAW-file editing) from their webiste for free:

    But there might be other, better, raw-file editors out there, I don't know.

    Martin at 03:46pm on Wednesday, November 01, 2006

  456. Great! Thanks Martin. You make my day.

    Tristan at 01:54pm on Thursday, November 02, 2006

  457. Bought an LX2 on Ebay from Japan. Nice camera and looks like a great backup to my Nikon DSLR. However, software only came in Japanese. Does anyone know where I can download the English version. I have checked out Silkypix and their latest version comes out at about £70.

    Stewart at 11:01pm on Thursday, February 08, 2007

  458. Hey everybody. I just purchased the LX2 a couple of days ago, and have been out playing around with it. Sweet little camera. I do have one concern though, and I a wondering if it is something I'm doing, or if it's the camera. Whenever I shoot in 16:9, either in telephoto or wide angle, the righ hand side of the picture has a pincushion effect. I took a picture of a church, and it almost looks more like the leaning tower of Pisa. I have never had a camera that has a 16:9 mode, so I'm wondering if that is the issue. I would be glad to post a couple of pics on my website if anybody wants to take a look or has any suggestions. Thanks for the time!

    Cody at 04:00am on Sunday, February 25, 2007

  459. Is it just on one side - if so, that is strange! It's definitely not caused by the 16:9 mode. Post some pics and let us know the URL, but I'd take it back and swap it if I was you.

    Mark Goldstein at 08:21pm on Sunday, February 25, 2007

  460. Hey Mark. Thanks for the reply. The URL is
    The pics are kind of small...sorry about that. Disregard the big grey dot in the lower right of the church picture. It was raining out and a drop got on the lens :-). I also looked at some pics on some of the various photo sharing sites, and it looks like all of the pictures of buildings I've seen seem to exhibit this same sort of issue, so it must be a perspective thing and not the camera. I took several landscape photos today with the camera, and they are georgous. Again, thanks much for your time.

    cody at 06:21am on Monday, February 26, 2007

  461. Yes that is the type of lens.

    You are taking a shot panning/ looking up with a lens that is at 28mm.

    Try shooting the same shots but zooming in all the way at buildings. If you can make the edges more square with the frame, then you'll see what I mean.

    Also, try shooting with that same 28mm but shoot something exactly at eye-level and see if you can make the edges square up to the frame. You can do this inside, in a big living room or something - and frame it based on the edges of the room, and not panning up and down.

    AA at 06:32am on Monday, February 26, 2007

  462. Thanks AA. Like I said, I took some landscape shots today, and they were beautiful, so I started to think it was just a perspective issue. Guess I'll have to get used to having a camera with a 28mm lens on it. Dang! I'm glad that it's not camera, because I love this little guy even after only having had it for two days.

    cody at 06:41am on Monday, February 26, 2007

  463. AA is right, it's just the way that you've taken the photos - pointing the camera slightly up and not being square on with the building.

    A 28mm wide-angle lens does open up a whole new world (you should try a really wide-angle lens!)

    Mark Goldstein at 10:40am on Monday, February 26, 2007

  464. Thanks everybody for the confirmation. I really like this camera (small size, tons of features, including totally manual control, beautiful lens, 16:9 mode) so was really hoping that it was a perspective issue and not a physical issue with the camera. Off to take more pictures!

    cody at 09:26pm on Monday, February 26, 2007

  465. Hello everybody,
    I found some interesting at dpreview:

    What do you guys think about it?

    macke at 12:08pm on Wednesday, February 28, 2007

  466. I bought this camera in Seoul so I have yet to find an english owners manual - I love the camera for it has the features I wanted but the FLASH is so strong it blasts out all facial detail. Does anyone know what I can do? I have searched all corners of the menu options... My only other problem is that the video function captures .MOV file format. I don't think this can be changed so I guess I need better video editing software now (that can take this format). I do not find this camera too big - you shouldn't keep it in your pocket anyway. I like to adjust the camera pouch strap through my belt loops and then I have quick 'holster' access and I look cool too! =B-p

    Emilie at 09:32am on Saturday, March 10, 2007

  467. Here:

    It's really not that hard to find. It's been out for ages.

    AA at 07:33pm on Saturday, March 10, 2007

  468. You can always use the M or A function and close-down th shutter. See if that works.

    Have you tried using any of the pre-set features? Such as the Portrait mode, or the Soft Skin mode? What about the Party mode, even?

    Are you talking about taking photos of faces in the day or at night? Indoors or outdoors?

    Can you show us some samples?

    AA at 07:39pm on Saturday, March 10, 2007

  469. Any word on a new LX-3???

    I dropped my LX1 badly - the metal around the flash button peeled back. I was able to push it back down and still get to the button but I have to manually lift the flash to make it work.

    I've been thinking of upgrading, and was looking at the LX-2, but it's been almost a year since that model, so I figured they must be prepping a newer one? I think I should wait, no?
    My LX-1 works fine. At least the lens didn't crack, and everything seems to be OK. Except I think I did knock the lense elements off a little and it seems to take a lot longer to focus, and not as clearly.

    Oh LX-3, where are you?

    Canby at 07:33am on Thursday, June 28, 2007

  470. Wow, what a real and true comparison!

    Unbelievable that all that detail is lost in the shadows with the LX-2. Sure the LX-1 may look a little noisier, but hey, at least you can still see the details in the shadows - not like the smudge that the LX-2 gives you.

    Oh, where, wherefor art thou, LX-3?

    K at 07:22pm on Wednesday, August 01, 2007

  471. Hi Canby!
    You have a very interesting story. I wonder how that would happened with that model? I've used LX-1 and I had very pleasant experience with it. Nice pictures, detailed shadows.
    LX-2 is the opposite of LX-1. I don't like the pictures of this newer model!
    You can find some usefull informations about these two models at Digital Camera News website!

    Photographer at 10:30am on Wednesday, August 08, 2007

  472. Quick summary of my LX-2 experience:

    My background - serious amateur; 25+ years with a Pentax K-1000. (35mm)
    Goals - Reluctant to move away from film, I waited for a rugged camera with manual modes and a high-quality wide angle lens. I realize digital image quality will not exceed film for some time, so my expectations are not that high. If I want museum-quality enlargements, I'll use the K-1000.
    My findings after 3 months use of LX-2 - Nice camera; I won't outgrow it for some time (unlikely to ever use all the features!); I'm able to stop action, do macro, shoot video, and it (barely) fits into a shirt pocket.

    I did some image quality tests. Sorry I don't have a handy spot to display photos. Found that quality gradually (not dramatically) decreased with increasing ISO. I shoot most everything at 200 and find it acceptable for most purposes. I would probably not go higher than 400. I rarely use flash. I shoot JPEG (light compression) so far. I may do more with RAW later. Interestingly, I found that the resolution of fine detail in extreme blow-ups is better at the second-highest pixel count setting than at the highest. Highest is 10M/8.5M/7.5M for the 3 aspect ratios, second highest is 8M/7M/6M. Fine with me; I'll save memory space. At these settings, I can make excellent images to fill my 19" screen.

    Anyone else out there doing detailed tests?

    Joe-bora at 06:11pm on Friday, August 10, 2007

  473. Truely excellent camera but with one big drawback - no optical viewfinder. That means when you try to take pictures in bright sunlight (holidays or bright locations) you can't see anything in the LCD viewfinder (even at its brightest setting) - photography by guesswork is not much fun.

    Bernie at 01:28pm on Monday, August 27, 2007

  474. The anti blur feature is second to none on this one.

    Photos onto Canvas at 03:04pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2008

  475. Hi i was just wondering if someone would be able to tell me if this camera shoots in RAW because i am just about to start a degree course in photography and one of the specifications of the course is i need a camera that shoots in RAW??
    please can you get back to me thanks

    PhotoEnthusiast at 01:12pm on Monday, August 25, 2008

  476. PE, if you already own an LX2, it does have the RAW mode you require; however, if you
    are looking to buy a camera, there are others with a better RAW implementation.

    Here is a review of the LX2 that specifically discusses the supplied RAW mode software.

    Gary's Parries at 01:37pm on Monday, August 25, 2008

  477. thank you is it easy to switch between shooting in RAW mode and shooting in Jpeg?

    PhotoEnthusiast at 01:42pm on Monday, August 25, 2008

  478. It is easy enough, but may not be necessary since, when shooting in RAW mode, the
    LX2 automatically provides a JPEG image at the same time.

    Gary's Parries at 02:12pm on Monday, August 25, 2008

  479. I have the LX1, its great they are coming out with an even better and updated version. Now what to do with my current one.

    Anthony Proulx at 03:56pm on Wednesday, February 04, 2009

  480. Excuse me. A neurosis is a secret that you don't know you are keeping.
    I am from Bahrain and also now am reading in English, please tell me right I wrote the following sentence: "There is no limit to the educational games for the preschoolers."

    Thank you very much :). Andy.

    Andy at 12:09pm on Tuesday, August 04, 2009

  481. While clicking in various modes the camera gives the perfect photography experience.

    devika rajpali at 08:40am on Friday, January 25, 2013

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