The Sigma DP2 is a new compact camera with a 14 megapixel Foveon X3, APS-C sized sensor. Virtually identical to the Sigma DP1, the DP2 has a 41mm lens rather than 28mm, and it has an aperture of f/2.8 (f4 on the DP1). The other significant improvement offered by the Sigma DP2 is the new “TRUE II” image processing engine, which promises to speed up the operation of the camera.
Sigma UK’s Paul Reynolds demoed the camera to us at Photokina. Due for release in February/March 2009, the DP2 has a larger 41mm lens which protrudes further than the 28mm version on the DP1. Although the new TRUE II will “definitely speed up the general operation of the camera”, according to Reynolds, the auto-focus speed will only be slightly improved, because of the inherent problem with physically moving such a large lens. The Sigma DP2 will be sold alongside the older DP1 model, which won’t be upgraded with TRUE II - so you’ll need to choose between different focal lengths, and perhaps equally importantly if you want the speed advantages of the image processing engine. A more minor change is the new QS button, borrowed from the Sigma SD14 DSLR and standing for Quick Set. This will provide quicker access to four key features (ISO, White Balance, File Quality and Exposure Compensation). In terms of accessories, the DP2 will have a different viewfinder and larger lens hood, but will be able to use the same external flash-gun and close-up macro filter as the DP1.
Update: We have a gallery of photos of the Sigma DP2 - click the continue link below…
Sigma Press Release
Sigma announces the development of a 14 megapixel high definition digital camera, packing the full spec of a DSLR into the body of a compact camera.
2008.9.23 - The Sigma Corporation (COO: Kazuto Yamaki) is pleased to announce the new Sigma DP2 compact digital camera featuring a 14 megapixel FOVEON X3 direct image sensor (2,652 × 1,768 × 3 layers) as used in the Sigma SD14 digital SLR.
Sigma introduced the DP1 with a direct image sensor as used in the Sigma SD14 digital SLR to the market in March 2008 as a “unique, groundbreaking, compact digital camera with all the power of a digital SLR”. The multi award winning DP1 has established strong support from a wide range of photographers both amateur and professional. Building on this success, the DP2 is equipped with a 24.2mm F2.8 lens, equivalent to 41mm on a 35mm SLR camera, for increasing creative possibilities and superior image quality, improving handling and performance.
This product is showcased at Photokina 2008 in Koln, Germany.
SLR-sized image sensor
The size of the image sensor used in the DP2 camera is 20.7mm x 13.8mm. It is approximately seven to twelve times larger than the 1/1.8inch to 1/2.5inch image sensors used in ordinary compact digital cameras. The pixel size of the image sensor is 7.8?m. The large photodiodes deployed at a large pixel pitch capture pure, rich light efficiently and give the DP2 its high resolution and richly-graduated tones.
Full-color image sensor
The DP2 uses the same 14 megapixel (2,652×1,768×3 layers) direct image sensor as the SD14 and DP1. Utilizing the special features of silicon, which is penetrated to different depths by different wavelengths of light, this direct image sensor succeeds in full-color capture with the full RGB in a single-pixel location. Since the moiré is not generated, use of a low-pass filter is not needed because full information of light and color can be captured with three-dimensional feeling.
“TRUE II” image processing engine
The DP2 incorporates “TRUE II” which is an improved version of “TRUE” (Three-layer Responsive Ultimate Engine), the world’s first image processing engine suited for the three silicon embedded layer direct image sensor. The unique image-processing algorithm, which has been developed throughout the development of the SD series digital SLR cameras and DP1, is incorporated into “TRUE II”.
24.2mm F2.8 lens designed exclusively for the DP2
The DP2 is equipped with a 24.2mm F2.8 lens, equivalent to 41mm on a 35mm SLR camera, which has been designed exclusively for DP2. Two molded glass aspherical lenses provide superior image quality. The Super Multi Layer Coating reduces flare and ghosting. This lens and SLR-sized image sensor combination provides natural shallow depth-of-field and attractive bokeh effect.
RAW format recording
The DP2 includes a RAW recording mode for retaining full image capture detail of the utmost quality plus a JPEG recording format for convenience. The RAW data format uses lossless compression for more compact, yet uncompromised, data files. The RAW data format of the DP2 keeps brightness and color data in a 1:1 ratio without relying on interpolation. Each pixel location captures the full color of RGB data which, when processed in Sigma Photo Pro, will preserve the balance of the natural data for the best photos with the best image quality.
Exclusive Sigma Photo Pro Software (Supplied with the DP2)
The DP2 comes complete with SIGMA Photo Pro software, a RAW image developer that converts all RAW data quickly and easily. djustments can be made in three separate modes. The X3F Mode stores the original settings of the image at the point of capture. In the Auto Adjustment Mode, the software analyzes and automatically makes adjustments to the RAW data. The Custom Mode allows the photographer to make individual adjustments. The photographer can make changes easily and quickly by simply adjusting the slider controls within the software.
Compact and lightweight body
The DP2 has compact dimensions of 113.3mm/4.5in(W)x59.5mm/2.3in(H)x54.6mm/2.1in(D). Its compact body and lightweight design makes it easy to carry everywhere.
Three metering modes and four exposure modes
The DP2 has three metering modes, Evaluative Metering, Center Weighted Average Metering and Spot Metering. It is also possible to select the exposure mode from Program AE, Shutter Priority AE, Aperture Priority AE or Manual. Exposure compensation can be set in 1/3 stop increments from +3.0 to -3.0 stops and an auto bracketing function is also available.
Pop up (manual) built-in flash
The DP2 is equipped with a pop up (manual) built-in flash. It is possible to use Normal Flash, Red-Eye Reduction Flash and Slow Synchro Mode. It also features flash exposure compensation in 1/3 stops increments.
Manual Focus is available for use when autofocus or focus lock is not effective. It is also possible to magnify the display to ensure precise focusing.
Large 2.5” TFT Color LCD Monitor
The DP2 camera features large 2.5 inch TFT color LCD monitor. The LCD monitor displays 100% of the images, allowing the photographer to easily and accurately confirm the image compensation.
The DP2 camera is equipped with a hot shoe, allowing use of the dedicated external flashgun EF-140 DG (optional) as well as Sigma electronic flashguns for SD series such as EF-500 DG and EF-530 DG. This hot shoe is also used to attach high performance view finder VF-21 (optional).
* EF-500 DG and EF-530 DG flashgun series can be used in manual mode only.
Dedicated lens hood (HA-21)
It is possible to attach the dedicated lens hood to block out extraneous light. It also functions as an adapter, designed to accept the 46mm Close-up Lens and 46mm filters.
* A hood adapter HA-21 is sold separately
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Sorry Sigma, I think Olympus' announcement yesterday has rained on your parade - monsoon style!
Unless Sigma can cut prices on this and the DP1, I can't really see these cameras selling well once you can get something around the same size which has interchangeable lenses.
Antony Shepherd at 10:59am on Tuesday, September 23, 2008
If the operational speed is improved over the DP1 I think Sigma have got a winner on their hands. The output from the Foveon sensor looks better to me than 4/3rds sensors, so I for one wouldn't go for one of the Olympus cameras (which are still only prototypes in any case).
John C at 01:08pm on Tuesday, September 23, 2008
Hi i agree John its all about speed of release,and speed of the dp2...
The dp2 as the same shell & sensor as the dp1,so i can see this being in store quickly,the ground works been done already..
The Oly will be released in 2009 i read..
andy at 01:35pm on Tuesday, September 23, 2008
I've seen 4 photographs from the Panasonic G1. They are a bit soft, but otherwise good. The G1 has a 12 MP sensor, and the Foveon sensor is equivalent to 8-10 MP. That being the case, I think these cameras are probably about equal in image quality, although I do like the super-clean look of the Sigma's photos. If the G1 gets really good reviews and produces good RAW images, I will probably go with that because of all the extra features. If, on the other hand, the Sigma DP2 is significantly faster than the DP1, and has better autofocus, I may go with that. There's no way to know until the reviews come out. However, 4.7 MP, even if it is clean and sharp, is getting to be a little outdated.
Caleb Murdock at 08:27am on Wednesday, September 24, 2008
I've been wondering about the performance of DP1 files, and presume the DP2's will be similar. I've read all the reviews and seen lots of sample photos, love the clarity/sharpness and tonal range, but would notice 'stepping' diagonal artifacts here and there with the jpegs that were available online ( I suspect RAWs are better) so have to admit was a bit concerned about the ultimate print output limitations. For the first time today I actually printed out a file (from a downloaded jpeg), first at 15x10 inches then at 32x23 inches (I was lucky enough to have access to a large format printer for the afternoon)and was very impressed. Although the 'stepping' was v.slightly visible on screen at 100% in a couple of diagonal details here and there, it just wasn't an issue with the prints, you could see it with your eyes close to the surface of the print but move a little further away, normal viewing distance just a couple of feet and it wasn't visible, both the prints looked great. I'm very particular about print quality as I exhibit work regularly, I'm also a keen visitor to art galleries to see the work of other photographers, and wouldn't hesitate to exhibit DP1 files at these sizes and probably larger. I'm digressing here a little, my point is that I'm no longer concerned with greater resolution, the DP1 is just fine, and there is something about the way the print/files look, a clarity and tonality that intrigues me more than prints from my 5D or other cameras I have used. The G1 just doesn't interest me - I wouldn't use the extra functions to any great extent, it's too big, admittedly small, but the shape etc is not as compact and simple as the DP1/2 and unless the 4/3rds sensor has improved a lot over the current ones I would still prefer the DP1/2 sensor.
John C at 07:49pm on Wednesday, September 24, 2008
Regarding the autofocus speed "physically moving such a large lens" is a funny statement confronting the focus speed of the DP1 with current DLSR cameras...
Also the price tag needs some concrete "physically movement"....
Thomas at 09:25am on Thursday, September 25, 2008
Update: We have a gallery of photos of the Sigma DP2 - click the continue link below…
where is it?
gonzalo oxenford at 08:33pm on Saturday, October 18, 2008
It's the gallery of product shots at the end of the article.
Mark Goldstein at 11:50am on Sunday, October 19, 2008
It makes you wonder what is wrong with camera designers.
The DP2 is not stabilized. Where has sigma been all this time?
If the new Olympus four thirds produces pictures as well as the Panasonic G1 does then it will leave the DP2 weeping on the shelves simply because the Olympus will probably have image stabilization. If it doesnt then they can both weep on the shelves.
It is suspected that the Olympus will have some sort of viewfinder - if not, then, you guessed it - back to the crying shelf.
These two cameras are intended for people who want to move up to more serious photography. Well, compare the image of someone holding a camera at arms lemgth to take a picture and someone holding a camera to their eye and you get an idea of why a viewfinder is required in these so-called serious cameras. And finally, if you are holding a camera at arms length then image stabilization seems immediately obvious - well immediately obvious to everyone it seems except some camera designers.
Bernard Dube at 11:25pm on Wednesday, January 21, 2009
I just want to follow up on what I said earlier. I've now seen a couple dozen images from the Panasonic G1 (including RAW images) and they all look soft to me -- "muddy" is actually the better word. I'm very disappointed, as the G1 is perfect in every other respect. I want the crispness that I see in Sigma photos. I just wish the resolution of the DP 1 and 2 were a little higher.
CMurdock at 06:38am on Thursday, January 22, 2009
I have to disagree with the statement that G1 photos are muddy. It is news to me. The latedt test of the G1 is on Dpreview and not only I but other very accomplished photographers who use much much more expensive cameras are quite impressed with the resolution of the G1 and its colours. Dpreview calls the resolution of the G1 "superb". Another reviewer at Luminous Landscape who is a professional photogrpaher was so impressed with the G1 he bought it!
So the comment that G1 pictures are muddy just dont seem to stand up in view of the many positive comments from a very wide segment of the public who actually use the G1 and have put it through rigorous professional testing.
Bernard Dube at 01:02am on Friday, January 23, 2009
SO, doesanyone know when it will become available? and price?
Eddie Grufo at 10:14am on Friday, February 20, 2009
All the photos bu one were taken with a DP1. They are not optimally sharp because the files size is limited. Sigma's cameras are the "best thing since sliced bread." I used to use Leica professionally with Kodachrome 24 and I think this is quite a bit better in many way. The camera is a bit "slow" but a lot faster than the old manual systems. Definitely worth consideration. I "love" it!
John Maitland Graves at 06:37am on Friday, March 06, 2009
There is a Sigma DP2 photo gallery:
As good as the images from the Sigma DP2 gallery look it seems from videos on youtube
that it still takes 3-4 seconds to process files and carries over a lot of the baggage of the DP1. I use the DP1 and love its image quality but it has a definite downside such as slow focusing, no image-stabilization, and a lack of ergonomic design (see Richard Franiec's Sigma grip). You get the feeling that despite the excellent quality of the lens that Sigma skimped on the camera with the little things. It makes you wonder why they stuck with a sensor that's 2640 x 1760 pixels, or a 230,000 LCD display. In their favor I will say that their firmware update is a good step and their enhanced Sigma Photo Pro for processing RAW files is user-friendly.
richmond at 10:05pm on Wednesday, April 15, 2009
I too have high hopes for the DP2 - a pocketable camera with (apparently) near DSLR image quality.
Whilst I applaud the technical advances that have gone into the Panasonic G1 I don't see the point in donwsizing DSLR-type cameras. For me, a camera either fits in your pocket or it doesn't. If it fits in your pocket AND takes high quality photos that's fine by me. Once it's too big for your pocket, you may as well get a DSLR - they appear to do the job just fine.
BTW if I can have just one grouse about digital cameras in general - PLEASE can we just have sensor sizes stated as height in mm by width in mm: this vacuum tube nonesense is really tedious.
Dave Faz at 05:58pm on Saturday, April 25, 2009
To Bernard Dube: I went back and looked at the images from the G1, and they continue to look soft and muddy to me. I have to trust my eyes. Part of the reason I see the softness so well is that I keep my screen resolution set at 800 x 600, which shows the details of photos better. When I switch over to a higher resolution, such as 1024 x 768, the images look sharper. But they still don't look good to me. The cause of the softness is probably the anti-aliasing filter, something which I think manufacturers should stop putting in their cameras. But the softness/muddiness of G1 images goes beyond that for me. Canon puts anti-aliasing filters in their cameras and their images look cleaner (soft but not muddy). There's something wrong in the design of the G1. Review sites can't be trusted to see what I'm seeing because they've come to accept the soft look that results from Bayer sensors and anti-aliasing filters.
CMurdock at 08:09pm on Saturday, April 25, 2009
One other thing: Let's not forget that review sites are dependent upon camera manufacturers for their review cameras. Any review site which started criticizing the overall softness of images that come from modern digital cameras would quickly find themselves cut off. Bayer technology is bad technology, but the camera manufacturers are committed to it (except Sigma). However, I do think that the review sites could start calling for removable anti-aliasing filters and not get cut off. I wish they would do that.
CMurdock at 08:15pm on Saturday, April 25, 2009
I have been using the dp1 for almost a year now and I have yet to be disappointed. I use the SD14 also because it has a zoom, which is handy for industrial work. Both cameras provide extraordinary results that I would readily compare with a Leica using Kodachrome 24. The image QUALITY, tonality especially, can be compared with 4x5 using ectachrome. Obviously, the image is much smaller and cannot be enlarged nearly as much.
Panoramas produced by the Foven are truly extraordinary and certainly rival 4x5 or larger formats. The Beyer system needs “fuzilating” filters and produce less red and blue information than Foveon sensors (33% for each color), but more green, and the Beyer processor (25% red and blue and 50% green) has still to provide missing (interpolate) information that occurs between the pixels, whereas the color information captured by Foveon is more precise because if the larger area of each pixel. While a three (or even 4) shot camera (same idea as Technicolor) will still produce results “superior”, in theory, (I have never see comparisons) the Foveon seems to be best for “regular” cameras. In addition, for some reason, the Sigma images seem to take sharpening better.
See Mike Chaney’s write up at < http://www.ddisoftware.com/sd14-5d> or look up foveon on Wikipedia
Tri-X developed in D76 or Acufine produced a wonderful tonality, so I do not worry about a little grain from small cameras.
All that being said, I am looking forward with baited breath for the DP2 and fervently hope that the come out with a TRUE 2 update for the DP1.
John Maitland Graves at 05:15am on Sunday, April 26, 2009
bated breath, my man, bated breath
the corrector at 01:00am on Thursday, May 07, 2009
I had trouble looking at the link of Mike Chaney's article on the Sd14 vs. the Canon EOS 5dfrom the message above but this link should work
richmond at 02:43pm on Thursday, May 07, 2009
If the DP2 is as slow as the DP1 in shot to shot times, it's of no value to me regardless of how much resolution it has.
The best photo has left the station while you wait for the thing to process the picture.
Oskar Barnack at 07:41pm on Monday, May 11, 2009
I think it's really a matter of shooting style and subject matter. As a broad generalization i would say that the Sigma DP1 is not a camera for sports or quick action. It is one geared for reflection and observation. On the other hand if you're a street-shooter and have worked with a Leica and are used to pre-setting your ISO/shutter speed combinations you could get some very decent shots if paired with a viewfinder. True, shot-to-shot RAW times are three-to-four seconds but you do have a burst facility. The trade-off is having to wait 12 seconds for the burst to be saved. I'm curious to see if the "TRUE II" engine makes a difference in save times as well as the quality of the image.
richmond at 08:05pm on Monday, May 11, 2009
There are some new samples of Sigma DP2 at pbase.com
richmond at 09:42pm on Monday, May 11, 2009
Reflection and observation still needs a camera that doesn't go out to lunch while you spot that moment that sums up your reflection and observation, as the camera is still trying to digest its last bite.
Oskar Barnack at 11:50pm on Monday, May 11, 2009
Hi, Does anyone know if the raw files produced by the DP2 can be used in capture one?
I was thinking of getting a G10 as a snappy but I think this is a better camera, the ability to process raws in Capture 1 would win it for me however...
Thanks for any help.
Glen Burrows at 05:31pm on Monday, May 18, 2009
The Canon G10 would be much better.
I have a G9 and it is a very impressive camera.
Even the jpegs are great.
Sigma has a lot of homework to do on the DP2.
Oskar Barnack at 05:45pm on Monday, May 18, 2009
When you say the G10 is a better camera what do you mean, better in that more functions or better image quality?
I am a professional photographer and I use a P30+ phase one back on a Hassleblad H2 for work, I am simply looking for the best quality images from a camera in my pocket.....I don't need lots of functions as the Blad will do that..
Glen Burrows at 06:00pm on Monday, May 18, 2009
Sigma is not a camera for everyone. I get superb results using Sigma's software - better than Photoshop. I don't take a million shots in hopes of getting one good one except in rare situations that involve more or less random events. For tonality and quality (for its sensor size) simply cannot be bettered (IMHO). The SD14 with "True" is excellent and bests the Cannon 5d for overall quality. The "True 2" is even better. I have used the Dp1 for exquisite panoramas.
It is "slow." I find that annoying, I suppose, but usually wind up with far too many decent exposures to conveniently process. Overall the Sigmas are about as fast as film - lenses (I have are great) and certainly faster than a 4x5 with comparable quality but smaller.
I sum, I don't think you can get better quality images. The Dp1 and 2 are really wolves in sheep's clothing. As I said - try it, you'll like it.
John Maitland Graves at 07:14pm on Monday, May 18, 2009
When you say the camera is 'Slow' are you referring to shutter lag or meaning that it requires lots of light for good results?
Does anyone know if the raw files can be processed in Capture 1 software?
Glen Burrows at 08:16pm on Monday, May 18, 2009
I mean by "slow" that it take a a bit more time to process the shot - the buffer seems small. I have not noticed a shutter lag in "manual" mode. It just take a moment to focus - faster than focussing the by hand, certainly. It does not seem inordinately long. I got the camera for the results which, as mentioned by others as more like film than digital.
john Maitland Graves at 09:34pm on Monday, May 18, 2009
The person "dissing" the dp2... Have you used it or any other Sigma camera? The DP-2 is not out yet in the US. I can only go by experience with the products I have and trust that Sigma will have improved things. The little canon is very nice I am sure and I had a 5d, a g5 and a Rebel which I enjoyed very much. I just think the Sigma delivers better overall quality.
john Maitland Graves at 09:49pm on Monday, May 18, 2009
I checked with Phase 1 and they do not support any Sigma cameras which is a pity, I know I would shoot lots and not process it all, I will e mail them and ask if they intend to support the DP2 in the future before parting with cash
Maybe I will have to buy the G10 simply because the raws are supported by Phase 1 :(
Anyone know about processing Sigma Raw files in Apeture or Lightroom
Glen Burrows at 09:58pm on Monday, May 18, 2009
Boy, This Sigma-G10 thing is getting interesting.
O.K., I tried the DP1 and found it unsatisfying both in it's shot to shot speed and it's slow focussing, both which were much worse than my Canon G9 (pre-G10).
My G9 surprised me when I compared it's photos with my Nikon D80...hard to tell apart.
The main thing here is finding a camera to put in your pants pocket that has superior performance and preferably has a built-in optical viewfinder.
My wish for the G9 and G10 would be to have quicker shot to shot times like a DSLR.
The G9 and G10 both have total control of shooting functions, or can be set as a point and shoot.
For 40 years, I was a photojournalist and used the M Leicas, Nikon F's and Nikon SP rangefinder to do the job at hand and can say the G9 and G10 come closest to the Leica rangefinder experience.
I hope Sigma gets on the ball on it's next try.
It will be interesting to see what Olympus comes up with in it's high-end pocket camera.
Oskar Barnack at 11:50pm on Monday, May 18, 2009
I own a DP1 and recently bought a Sigma SD14, and in thirty-five years of photographing I have rarely been more disappointed with the performance of a camera right out-of-the-box. I've worked with both digital and film cameras (Hasselblad's, Nikon's, Canon's, Leica's, Contax's, Pentax's), and there is no excuse for what seems to be the SD14's common flaws: the inconsistency of accurate autofocus (I tested it with three different lenses), the wild fluctuations in auto-white balance, the spontaneous lock-down/freeze of a camera where it merely stops functioning, the near glacial processing of RAW files (5-to-7 second for a single shot, and 40 seconds for a six-shot burst), and the super-stiffness of the Command Dial. What makes it so frustrating is that the Sigma SD14 COULD have been a great camera. But the only thing that is great about this camera is the Foveon sensor, which Sigma did not even invent. I scratch my head in wonder as to what the reasons are for this. Is Sigma so technologically deprived that it lags so far behind the "big boys" (Canon, Nikon, Sony, etc.) in the business that they could not do better? Or is it sloppy quality-control? I purchased the SD14 thinking that it would not be world's apart from SD15 and I could save over $130 dollars. Big mistake. Just comparing the difference between the DP1 and the SD14 makes me think that, yes, there will be a big difference between the SD14 and SD15. In processing times for RAW and LCD pixel count (hence, image-preview sharpness) the DP1 is clearly superior. Don't get me wrong, I love the Foveon output and the image quality is outstanding when it operates properly. Which makes it all the more frustrating. Have any of you experienced this problem?
richmond at 06:39pm on Saturday, May 23, 2009
I personally do not own a Sigma camera.
I have tested the DP1 and found it much too slow for my photography.
Sigma must be credited with the idea for the use of advanced technology in their cameras.
But I believe they need to have people who are in charge of designing a camera to also have experienced news photographers and the like to be a part of the creative process.
These photographers demand a flawless performance camera.
Sigma isn't alone in this.
My favorite brand, Nikon suffers the same maladies in their pocket camera designs.
They've left out this type of camera for the high performance-needy photographer.
So I've been using only Canon for my work for the last four years.
I think for a DSLR or serious pocket camera, I would only consider Nikon, Canon, and Olympus.
Leica has been in outer-space for awhile.
All the rest are Johnny-come-lately, except for Pentax and one or two others.
So if you want reliability, performance, and usability from a company with some history of building a satisfying camera, those are my choices.
You might check if you can send back the SD14.
Oskar Barnack at 07:48pm on Saturday, May 23, 2009
Yes, the SD14and DP1 are slow. I put up with it for the quality and ease of operation; I do NOT want all those gongs and horns. My SD14 has the latest firmware and does not seem to suffer the problems some have outlined here...
I would have to think twice for news reporting, action. Even for "candid" shots I use a tripod and as often as not the "up mirror" setting. I just watch and wait. knock on wood, everything functions flawlessly - make sure you have the latest soft and firmware... SD15 and DP2 coming soon...
John Maitland Graves at 09:28pm on Saturday, May 23, 2009
Thanks for your helpful responses. As I said, I've worked with a wide variety of cameras and find myself really drawn to the color quality of the Foveon sensor.
I've had Canon G7's and G9's and liked their handling, and speed of those but always felt as if the RAW output could be a lot better. I think that as flawed as the Sigma DP1 is, the pluses (image quality) are more than the minuses. My temperament and style of shooting is such that I can deal with its speed and focus issues. But I did expect better from the SD14. I noticed in re-reading Mike Chaney's review of the Sigma SD14 http://ddisoftware.com/sd14-5d/
that he ran into exactly the same focus and lock-up problems that I'm having. I called the people at Sigma (the closest to me is in Ronkonkoma, NY) and it seems that it will take 6 weeks to get the camera fixed. Annoying to say the least but in the end, if it works well, will be worth it. Will update you all. Thanks. (BTW, these problems have not been alleviated by the 1.08 firmware update.)
richmond at 10:43pm on Sunday, May 24, 2009
Sorry to hear about the delays as I have had much quicker response. Perhaps one of the lucky ones. Have been using the SD14 for almost a year with no problem except for the focusing issue (my canon's focus issue was NEVER solved until I got a Sigma 17-70) which was resolve very quickly. I have NO quality issues. I use a light tripod for almost everything. The only time there is a focus "problem" I focused inadvertently elsewhere than on the subject. Sometimes hand focussing and listening for the "peep" is better. In the end, it is really the photographer who TAKES the photo; the camera is a "thing."
John Maitland Graves at 04:23am on Monday, May 25, 2009
If you have not gotten it already/yet, run, do not walk to download the Sigma Photo Pro 3.3. Not only is is quicker, but they have gone along way to solve noise issues and it is quicker. Remarkable up grade.
John Maitland Graves at 06:13pm on Monday, May 25, 2009
I was able to return the SD14 and will use the money to get an SD15 when it ships. I hope I'll have better luck with that. Part of the problem I was having was that the camera would focus the lens slightly behind my focus point whether I had the lens on auto OR manual. It looked right in the viewfinder but the actual image would be slightly off. Something I'd never run across before with any camera.
BTW, thanks for info on Photo Pro 3.3. I thought it was only for the RAW files from the TRUE II processor (DP2 and SD15). But you're saying it's backwards compatible with images from SD14, which sounds great and makes sense. Also, do you find very noticeable CA (chromatic aberrations) color fringing in high-contrast edges of the 17-70mm at the wide end (17mm)? Otherwise it seems very sharp. I was able to fix the CA in Adobe Bridge.
richmond at 01:13am on Tuesday, May 26, 2009
Wondering how much faster the DP2 is compared to DP1? Whilst I don't need it to be incredibly fast, I think I will find it too frustrating if it spends a lot of time processing a shot.
charmaine at 03:12am on Wednesday, June 03, 2009
Sigma has posted a second firmware update at their website
SIGMA DP2 Firmware Ver.1.01
richmond at 02:40pm on Wednesday, June 03, 2009
I've bought a DP1 and have been very pleased with its outstanding image quality. Processing times are about 3-4 seconds per-shot and you also have a three-shot burst capability. The price for the 3 shot burst is approximately a 10-12 second processing time. The autofocus is slower than a Canon G9 and inconsistent. Manual focus is possible and reliable but viewing the LCD on a bright sunny day is a challenge. And from what I've read the DP2 is only slightly faster in processing speed but the main advantage is that you can continue to shooting.
and here's a comment by Kendall Gelner regarding the DP2. His photos are on the Sigma site in a dpreview forum:
richmond at 03:10pm on Wednesday, June 03, 2009
Wind, set aperture, focus, set shutter, squeeze off shutter at least 20 seconds! Wind, squeeze off shutter, 2 to 3 seconds. Oops! Out of film. What no film? Shuddah bought MORE. Damn, have to run down to the camera store AGAIN! Whioh film to buy... Kodachrome, Agfachrome, Fuji? High, Medium, low speed?
Oh, MY GAWD, look at the processing bill !!!!!!!! It costs what to airbrush, to make an 11x14... and so forth and so on. Jeeze! Those prints are terrible...
And we complain about a few moments to process a photo in the camera. We are so spoiled and impatient (including me)... 'nough said!
Even the little compacts are capable of superior quality compared to the old, mechanical models models
John Maitland Graves at 05:49pm on Wednesday, June 03, 2009
Well every photographer has his or her style of shooting (with a pardon from Ansel Adams) for whatever inspires them to photograph whatever he or she photographs.
The camera is significant as a tool to fill that photographer's needs to make the picture as in the mind's eye.
For some photographers, the mind's eye will need something to quickly grasp at the flurry of events in front of him.
Others can camp by the camera and take in the inspired stillness in front of them together.
Oskar Barnack at 07:24pm on Wednesday, June 03, 2009
I was trying to answer Charmaine's question regarding processing times and DP2 vs DP1.
I do agree that we've all become "spoiled" by technological advances. I still recall airbrushing "C" prints and shooting with a view camera. We've become "spoiled" in the way that those who have gotten used to indoor plumbing turn their backs on living in a log cabin.
And every once in a while recall Cartier-Bresson and the marvelous images he captured with a Leica that would certainly take more that "3 or 4 seconds" to wind film to the next exposure and line up a shot. No zooms. Just a 35mm, 50mm, and a 90mm. Sobering. But life in general has sped up too much. I work in NYC and see others (and myself) running ourselves ragged trying to hold onto the next moment.
richmond at 07:51pm on Wednesday, June 03, 2009
Another point-of-view on the Sigma DP2
richmond at 06:02pm on Thursday, June 04, 2009
About the speed shot to shot on the DP2-- I have just bought one Because I wanted the IQ that everyone talks about.
-- I set up my Mobile phone on stopwatch and with the camera set to continuous fired off a burst of three Raw shots. I photographed the screen of the mobile and so captured the times in hundredths of a second. Absolutely impossible to accurately judge the time from pressing the shutter until the first capture.
B U T Here are the figures as photographed
1st set 1/250 sec ISO 200 F11
1st shot 5.48
2nd shot 5.68
3rd shot 5.88
So .2 of a second between shots or 5 shots per second
2nd set 1/125 sec ISO 200 F14
1st shot 37.68
2nd shot 37.98
3rd shot 38.28
So .3 of a second between shots or 3.3333 shots per second.
I believe the difference in time shot to shot for the two sets comes from the difference in time of the shutter speeds used.
The shutter lag for first shot(In both sets) feels to be about 1/100th to 1/200th of a second.
-- In my next test I fired off single shots of my mobile phone as described above. I found that as soon as the screen shows the review of the last photo then I was able to take the next Photo. This is very hard to respond to and so my photographed timings between shots varied wildly between 2 seconds and 3.5 seconds. I believe that if I could respond quickly enough I could get a timing between shots of 2 seconds for every shot and it seems like I could continue this until the card was full or the battery exhausted whichever came first. This behaviour seemed to be exactly the same whether the camera was set for continuous shooting or for single shot.
--Just to note my Auto focus was disabled by setting to manual focus and of course no flash.
-- From my previous life of using old Voightlander Vito B's to photograph 6 active kids I set the focus distance and shutter speed to suit their current activities, Guess the Aperture by the old rules. Then I follow them around and "Guess" position myself at the right distance and fire away. The strike rate is surprisingly high B E C A U S E I didn't have shutter lag to contend with.
-- This DP2 has given me the same conditions again except those kids are now 17 - 28 Yrs old also I no longer have to worry about Exposure and the cost of my developing and printing.
Chum at 02:04pm on Sunday, August 02, 2009
Doing test shots is great but after months of shooting with the DP1 and weeks of working with the DP2, I find it unresponsive in quick-shoot situations, and unreliable in that when you want to shoot quickly it doesn’t, it triggers at its own pace. I love the Foveon image quality and the undeniable sharpness of its lens, but at best, the Sigma products are deeply flawed. It’s paradoxical to have an “automatic” digital that works best on manual. That’s when it’s most responsive, in terms of shutter lag and save times. So that’s the mindset that needed to work with these cameras. I think if someone feels at home working with a 4x5 sheet film camera, you’ll feel comfortable working with the DP1.
Rich at 05:09pm on Monday, August 03, 2009
On daylight the dp2s ist fantastic. Never AF, only manual focus. Under 4000celvin the colours have to much green. But we love the sigma dp2 so much. This is the right compactcamera. From cologne, dirk
fotografen-welt at 11:18pm on Friday, October 01, 2010