Panasonic DMC-LX1 Announced

July 20, 2005 | Mark Goldstein | Digital Compact Cameras | 796 Comments |

Panasonic DMC-LX1Panasonic DMC-LX1 is announced today. The Panasonic DMC-LX1 is an 8.4 megapixel digital camera with a 4x Leica optical zoom lens equivalent to 28-112mm, optical image stabilizer and a 2.5 inch LCD screen. The DMC-LX1 is the world’s first digicam with a wide angle lens and 16:9 aspect CCD. The aspect ratio can be easily selected between 16:9 or 3:2 in addition to the conventional 4:3 by using a switch on the lens barrel. The Panasonic DMC-LX1 can also record moving images at 848 x 480 16:9@Wide VGA at 30 fps. The Panasonic DMC-LX1 will be available in the UK in August in silver priced £449.99.

Panasonic Europe Press Release

Panasonic is launching a new LUMIX 16:9 wide LX series with the introduction of the DMC-LX1, 8.4-Megapixel 4x optical zoom (equivalent to 28 mm to 112 mm on a 35mm film camera) full manual compact camera. This creative compact incorporates a 8.4-Megapixel CCD and a high resolution 2.5-inch LCD in its undersized body. The aspect ratio is easily selectable between 16:9 wide, 3:2 and conventional 4:3 with a switch located on the lens barrel to shoot in the framing aspect that best suits the subjectsf composition or imagefs purpose of use.

The lens unit is comprised of 4x optical zoom LEICA DC VARIO-ELMARIT Lens and renders superb picture quality. Like other LUMIX cameras, what distinguishes the DMC-LX1 from the rest is MEGA O.I.S. (Optical Image Stabilizer), a key feature Panasonic considers should be standard in all digital still cameras. Unintentional handshake, the major cause of digital camera misshooting, is controlled by MEGA O.I.S. to allow every user to take clear, beautiful images even indoors or at nighttime. The newly incorporated Extra Optical Zoom extends the zoom ratio by using the center part of the high resolution CCD to achieve 5x for 5.5-Megapixel 16:9 image recording with minimal deterioration.

Extensive manual controls including manual focus and manual exposure can be smoothly operated with a joystick incorporated along with an omni directional cursor. Just pressing and holding the joystick shortcuts to a setting menu containing the frequently used white balance adjustment, ISO setting, image size setting and compression format.

Taking advantage of these outstanding features, the LX1 incorporates the high speed, high quality image processing LSI, the Venus Engine II. It boasts quick responsiveness that realizes the best-in-class level release time lag of 0.01 sec. For the AF, five AF modes are available; 9-point, 3-point high speed, 1-point high speed, 1-point normal speed and spot. The 1-point high speed AF boasts predominantly fast AF for stress-free focusing.

In addition, the DMC-LX1 is the first digital still camera that can record moving images at 848 x 480 16:9@Wide VGA, as smooth as 30 fps.
With a volley of features providing both enhanced image quality and responsiveness, the DMC-LX1 is an advanced compact offering elaborate manual controllability while being accommodating to entry-level users through a variety of scene modes and auto setting functions. Panasonic dares to introduce this artistic instrument suited to users at all levels who enjoy creative shooting.

1. 8.4-Megapixel 16:9 aspect CCD and 28mm wide 4x optical zoom LEICA DC Lens
The DMC-LX1 features the 8.4-Megapixel Industryfs first* 16:9 aspect CCD and 4x optical zoom 28mm wide angle** (equivalent to 28 mm to 112 mm on a 35 mm film camera) LEICA DC VARIO-ELMARIT lens. Incorporating three aspherical lenses provides high optical performance while preserving the compactness of the unit. The aspect ratio can be easily selected between 16:9 or 3:2 in addition to the conventional 4:3 with a switch on the lens barrel on a shot-by-shot-basis to best suit the composition of the image. Even after shooting, the 16:9 ratio can be converted to 3:2 or 4:3 with the camera according to your purpose of use.

The extra optical zoom, made possible by using the center part of 8.4-megapixel high resolution CCD, further extends the zoom ratio to 5x for 5.5-Megapixel image recording in 16:9 aspect with minimal deterioration.

* As a CCD of digital still camera, as of July 7, 2005.
** In 16:9 aspect ratio.

2. Image stabilizing technology MEGA O.I.S.(Optical Image Stabilizer) and high speed high quality image processing LSI Venus Engine II
MEGA O.I.S.(Optical Image Stabilizer), that Panasonic thinks it indispensable for all digital cameras, especially for compact models that lacks stability, is subsumed under LUMIX all line-up released in this year. Every slight hand-shake movement is detected accurately with the sampling frequency at 4,000 times per second and will be compensated to render clear, sharp images.

MEGA O.I.S. is equipped with 2 selectable modes. In gMode 1h, the O.I.S. lens continuously compensates for vibration and in gMode 2h, the O.I.S. lens suppresses hand-shake only at the moment the shutter button is pressed. In this mode, the lens can move in all directions at the moment to maximize its effect, and higher-resolution image can be taken by capturing the image as close as to the center of the lens. In consequence, since MEGA O.I.S. enables a beautiful picture shot without blurring at slower shutter speeds of more than three steps compared to the conventional models without O.I.S., you can enjoy shooting clear and beautiful pictures easily even in the situations using slow shutter speeds, like indoor shots for portraits and nighttime scenery for illuminated object, as well as in shootings using zoom or macro mode.
For the brain of the camera, high-speed high-quality image processing LSI Venus Engine II is incorporated to render clear images in detail, compensating for the color aberration at the edges subject to occur. It also compensates for vignetting and generates bright image in every detail. This engine boasts its high performance resulting in the industry leading level in class release time lag of 0.01 sec for achieving more stress-free operation.

*Not including the time for AF.

3. Joystick-operated intuitive manual control
The DMC-LX1 offers manual focus and manual exposure, and both are adjustable with a joystick independent of an omni directional cursor. A switch on the side of the lens barrel lets you quickly change the focus mode between MF, AF or Macro AF. When you focus in the Manual Focus mode, not only the focus distance but also the DOF (depth of field) according to the zoom range and aperture is displayed. An MF assist function enlarges the center of the image to make focusing easier. Both features contribute to easy and comfortable manual focus.

A joystick was incorporated to facilitate operational ease and thereby get the best technical advantage of the multitude of functions offered by the camera. You can quickly shortcut to frequently used variables containing white balance adjustment, ISO setting, image size setting and compression format just by pressing and holding down the joystick, even while monitoring a subject on the LCD.

Shutter speed extends up to 60 sec at slowest in Manual Exposure mode and adjustable from 1/2000 to 60 sec for wider ranging shooting opportunities. Noise reduction is available for images taken at slow shutter speed.

The AF/AE lock button supports free framing while keeping the focus locked or fixes the same exposure setting regardless of the color of a subject for taking multiple shots.

Panasonic DMC-LX14. Crystal-clear, large 2.5h LCD monitor
The 2.5h large LCD is excellent not only in size but also in the resolution, which is as high as 207 k pixels. The advantage is apparent when you check the focus during or after shooting, or when you display images even in tiny thumbnail size, across which you can move an omni-directional cursor to select. They can be played back in 9, 16 and 25 on multi-split screen in addition to the normal 1 frame playback thanks to the large high resolution LCD. This helps you to search for the image you want out of a number stored on the SD Memory Card, even if the images are in bulk. Furthermore, you can virtually checkmark your favorite images and keep them selected apart from the others to make a special slideshow with them only, or make concurrent deletion of the non-checkmarked ones if you do not need them anymore. Thanks to this feature, the LX1 can serve not just as a tool of shooting images but also as a digital album, to enjoy the seeing and showing of your favorite pictures.
To offer a clear view even in sunny outdoor conditions, the Power LCD function increases brightness by 140% just by pressing an independent button.

5. Excellent responsiveness, smart control and quick AF
The DMC-LX1 incorporates high performance image processing LSI the Venus Engine II in both speed and image quality. Thanks to the multi-task image processing, response has also been accelerated, resulting in the best-in-class level release time lag of 0.01 sec achieving more stress-free operation. For the burst shooting mode, it also boasts high consecutive shooting performance, providing shooting at 3 frames/second at 8.4-Megapixel full resolution. This function can be@instantly activated with the independent button*. Unlimited Consecutive Shooting function** allows limit-free consecutive shooting up to the capacity of the SD memory card.

An AF method can be selected according to the shooting situation: 9-point, 3-point high-speed, 1-point high-speed, 1-point normal-speed and Spot. The 1 point high-speed AF, initially incorporated in the high zoom line DMC-FZ5, dramatically reduces the AF time to realize stress-free operation. Although screen-freeze in high-speed AF is now minimized, if you take the picture of subject with fast movement, you can select 1 point normal-speed AF which does not have any screen-freeze while focusing.

* The button also performs as gDELETEh in playback mode.
** The speed of the unlimited consecutive shooting varies depending on the SD Memory Card.

6. Industryfs first 16:9 aspect Wide VGA moving image recording*
In addition to the conventional 4:3 VGA moving image recording, the LX1 can record moving images even in the 848 x 480 16:9 Wide VGA format at 30 fps, making the most of the industryfs first 16:9 CCD. Shooting is one thing but viewing is another, and you will be suitably impressed by the 16:9 moving image when it is displayed on a wide screen TV.

* As a digital still camera, as of July 7, 2005.

7. Easier and more comfortable operationality
Along with the joy stick and omni-directional cursor, a dial-operated mode shift also improves the camerafs controllability. The mode dial allows quick, direct switching between various shooting modes, moving picture mode and playback mode. In addition to the conventional ProgramAE, the LX1 is equipped with Auto mode, which caters for the entry level users. A total of 14 scene modes including Baby, Soft Skin, Food, Starry Sky and Candle helps you to take beautiful images easily in wide-ranging situations. Still it is easy to select the one out of them thanks to the Scene Mode Help Screen that shows the description of each mode and the knack for shooting of each scene and helps users to take beautiful image easily.

The LUMIX DMC-LX1 is like no other compact camera, enabling both high-end amateurs and entry-level users to explore the creativeness that surely enhances the joy of shooting.



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#601 nick

On the question of holding a PL filter, and the size... Before I built the holder that requires a 62mm PL to cover the wide-max zooming articulation of the lens mechanism, I just held up the 58mm one off the Sony F-828 and it was OK. The 58 is much larger than the end of the LX lens, so that gives you wiggle room. If you have a larger PL in your parts box, I would go with the biggest, to allow even more room for moving around ease. A "Mickey Mouse" approach to filtering, BUT it works and eliminates having to attach any kind of holder.PL is always on my other cameras, I use it only on the LX-1 for water shots and portrais with sun reflecting on hair.

10:54 pm - Monday, October 17, 2005

#602 AA

Ronnie - huge? How huge? 8MP at 3840 x 2160 means it's probably upwards of 22 Megabytes? Yeah that would take some processing power, and some serious download speeds to get all those chunky files out of the flash memory.


Li man, all I can say is, whatever makes you happy.
I just thought that, for someone such as yourself who does not enlarge photos very much, a camcorder with a couple of megapixels for stills would be enough, since you don't sound like you print photos much either.


That sounds very tiring to do, Nick, without a tripod.
I find it tiring enough to hold the little compact digicams with one hand away from the face if it doesn't have an optical viewfinder - and then to have to hold a Pola (or any sort of filter, in this case!) in front of the camera with the other hand as you wriggle the cut in the reflection until it is just right, still holding the digicam with the right hand. I do hope you are using the tripod! I'm exhausted just thinking about it....


I'm jealous of y'all who's got one. I want one just to have it. And Panasonic's website's ship date is definitely behind by a month and half - because it now says the ship date is 12/2/05 and it's the middle of October now.

5:30 am - Tuesday, October 18, 2005

#603 nick

I just tried it for a couple shots for comparison, holding the filter right up to the lens is not a problem, it was turning , and turning to get the best polorization effect that was the contorting trick. As I mentioned in a previous conversation, the coatings on these lens elements produce some real good blue skys when shooting at right angles to the sun, as with getting max effect With a PL. I havent used a PL for a long time with this camera, for that exact reason.

6:07 am - Tuesday, October 18, 2005

#604 Li

I really wanted one camera to do both stills and video, for the sake of convenience. So I had to decide between a high resolution still camera that does average video or a good camcorder that does average stills - and I opted for the still camera because about 80% of the time I just take snapshots. At 30 fps, the movies are quite good ..

Also, higher resolution camera is safer to use because we can take it for granted that screen resolution will continue to increase in future. We're shooting at 8 mp but viewing at 1 mp, which is a shame. I guess the next big thing will be higher resolution screens ..

10:33 am - Tuesday, October 18, 2005

#605 AA

:long:

5:41 pm - Friday, October 21, 2005

#606 DJ

It took me 3 days to read the 600 notes in this blog. I'm trying decide if I want to buy one of these LX1's. Sure I like the format but the noise is bad. Then it is really pretty thick. And no viewfinder. Means I will have to where my reading glasses to compose each shot. Usually cameras have diopter adjustments (ok SLR's do) Comparing it to the new Fuji E900 which I have not seen ANY comments on and the Canon S70. The S80 would have been a good choice but it doesn't shoot raw and I use raw for everything and then CS2. How about your conclusions. Is there a new LX1 coming out? Are they available in the US now? Which of the three should I get?

3:27 am - Friday, October 28, 2005

#607 nick

DJ..As you read, I have had and still feel the same about this little gem. I cant help you with RAW questions, I use JPEG and TIFF, with CS2. I wear reading glasses +1.5 diopter, and have no problem composing and checking for the focus point confirmation without them, the 2 1/2 " screen is very handy for the grid overlay and histogram check too. The best attributes of the LX-1 are the widescreen and IS system. I use the best ISO and a quick EV adjustment check with the proofing right there in real time.
I do believe that Leica may account for the scarcity of LX-1s, they may have re-packaged the stock they aquired to sell as their own model, the D-Lux 2. Some stores have them, but before you order, if you do, ensure they aren't back-ordered, they very well may be. Good luck, Mr. Pagoda will probably have lots more to add to this, he is the resident expert. Oh! Li is doing alot of shooting with his LX-1 and is doing some awesome work, he may come on line too.

5:20 am - Friday, October 28, 2005

#608 GARY POGODA

This camera is perfect for anyone "really" wanting 16:9 aspect ratio.
If you fall into that category, its flaws will be meaningless. If not, the
S70 would be a better choice, mainly because of less noise, but also
because it is more compact and, unlike the LX1, goes to 28mm wide
in 4:3 aspect ratio. The E900 looks real good "on paper" and in view
of its Fuji sensor, will probably have even less noise than the S70.

Just to be safe, maybe go through this thread a few more times. :)

6:49 pm - Friday, October 28, 2005

#609 nick

Great point Gary, and I'm not sure that the 28mm wide in the wide mode only was ever addressed in our ramblings! With printing requiring cropping for lottsa folks, this may be another negative factor for them too if they do the 16x9 aspect alot...I print mostly for my family album right now, and the old APS format, "High Vision", as they call it, that the camera shop uses, is perfect for printing here in Japan, but only in the one size that is a bit narrower than 4", cropping required on everything else.... I haven't used anything other than the wide mode since the initial test shots when I got the camera. I am continually amazed at the images, almost at 1500 pictures now, no regrets!

10:26 pm - Friday, October 28, 2005

#610 GARY POGODA

Nick, the LX1 is most definitely the perfect camera for you.

5:28 pm - Saturday, October 29, 2005

#611 DJ

Thanks for everyones comments.

6:54 pm - Saturday, October 29, 2005

#612 nick

Gary, nope! I yearn for the ability to easily remove the reflections, and their effects on the overall quality of the picture that a PL filter affords, the ability to reach out there farther, infrared ability for those billowing trees,clouds and ferns, a sensor that makes "noise" a forgotten word as much as "grain" has become. So, until then, I'll have to rely on my 828 and 10D..oops!,also, that there would be no need for this blog and the education, and entertainment, it affords! Good shooting! "Life is just a memory"

10:25 pm - Saturday, October 29, 2005

#613 GARY POGODA

I'll amend that. There exists no more perfect camera for you.

5:27 pm - Sunday, October 30, 2005

#614 nick

Soon, real soon I hope! In the meantime I am about ready to get the Canon 20D with Sigma 50-500. Canon suspended the production on the 170-500, which , as you know, is my long-range friend. The exchange rate is alot better recently and really hard to predict. What has swayed me was the ASA pictures that lottsa folks are posting, WOW! A lady even has a site dedicated to ASA 3200 pictures! Gary, why dont the camera makers pick up on the CMOS advancements/advantages, and get them in their point and shoots?

11:12 pm - Sunday, October 30, 2005

#615 GARY POGODA

Good question. CMOS has been around for decades; however, until
recently, CMOS image sensors were inferior to CCDs, and were only
used in low end cameras. Improvements in manufacturing have now
enabled CMOS image sensors to surpass CCDs, and Canon was the
first to test the waters for high end cameras. Now Sony is getting into
the act, and I am sure others will follow.

8:22 pm - Monday, October 31, 2005

#616 nick

Thanks! I'll look at Sony a little closer now, they have been a disappointment for me recently, as you know, but I'm glad to hear this!

10:39 pm - Monday, October 31, 2005

#617 DJ

Please tell me how you guys handle the noise from the LX1. I have PS CS2 but still learning how to use it. Can I completely get rid of the noise and how is it done? Shoot raw?

I have reduced the choices down to the LX1 or the S70.

DJ

5:48 am - Tuesday, November 1, 2005

#618 nick

DJ.... Before I get into CS2, I shoot only as ASA 80, use the flash for fill if you are close enough, ensure you are as steady as possible, ensure the IS is on one of the settings and pray! The IS will let you shoot at slower speeds, so in actuality you have an ASA rating to 640, mathematically speaking. I generally click on the EV bar and tweak to ensure I'm not too dark, which seem to pronounce noise more. In CS2 I use various combinations such as isolating a noisy sky and blurring it, noise reduction in the filters section, a slight gaussian blur to the entire picture with an unsharp mask to restore sharpness a bit, and the wonderful Shadow/highlight selection combined with a luminence tweak work for me. With Black and White, I generally use the selection in "Styles", or an interesting effect is the "Sepia" in styles, flatten and relayer, Adjustments and "Channels">"Monotone, and then go up to edit and "Fade Channels" until it becomes almost a gold! Playing around sometimes lessens the visual annoyance of the little noise you sometimes get.

8:15 am - Tuesday, November 1, 2005

#619 stupidlammer

noise is delt with with neat image or noise ninja.

9:50 am - Tuesday, November 1, 2005

#620 Li

I thought the blog is finished, so didn't check it for some time. Wow, its still going on ..

I've taken a few hundred pics using lx1 but noticed noise only in a handful, mainly in night shots using long exposures up to 8 seconds. Other daylight pictures are all perfect. The amount of details captured are amazing.

Also please do not compare it to the slr type cameras. Within compact cameras, this will be definitely one of the best. We still haven't heard of any other camera that gives 16x9 and 28mm combination. This is THE most important feature for me because I view the pictures only on widescreen and don't ever print.

The only complaint I have so far is that it uses QuickTime format for recording movies with which I'm not familiar. Media center does not support QT so I can't see the movies with remote. And I can't burn DVDs of my movies but a friend who is having a Mac says he can do it. I'll try it one of these days ..

2:04 pm - Tuesday, November 1, 2005

#621 AA

Switch.

5:19 pm - Tuesday, November 1, 2005

#622 GARY POGODA

Ditto.

7:01 pm - Tuesday, November 1, 2005

#623 darrick

Is it possible to disable the flash on the lx1? Want to shoot in low light situations and experiment with OIS without use of flash. In my last camera, flash was automatically triggered when light level fell below a certain point.

5:46 am - Wednesday, November 2, 2005

#624 nick

The weany flash doesn't work unless you flick the little release button, then it pops up. It has numerous settings,I use it in the 'On" setting for fill, and, to trigger the digital slave, be warned tho, the digital slave needs a pretty high difference in light to operate, in normal light, I found it wouldnt work, too weak a flash to trigger the slave. In low light there was no problem. I know this is more than you asked for, but something that has bugged me, needed to get it out.

6:41 am - Wednesday, November 2, 2005

#625 GARY POGODA

There's also a "Forced Off" setting even when it's "Popped Up".

6:12 pm - Wednesday, November 2, 2005

#626 AA

LUMIX AWARD:

http://www.panasonic-europe.com/lumix/awards/

Will I see your pics on there, Nick?


And the new TV you need to show the pics taken with the camera:

http://www.panasonic.co.uk/plasma-tv/th65pv500/index.htm

you can plug your SD card in to it.

11:33 pm - Wednesday, November 2, 2005

#627 ronnie

LUMIX Award. Nice catch Nick.

12:30 am - Thursday, November 3, 2005

#628 nick

I take lottsa pictures, never pretended to be good at it, nor interested in posting, competing or selling. I love to send pictures to people that like what I do, as I love to see what others are doing, but only on a personal level. I am still very happy with the LX-1, but these competitions are just advertising for the company, I have mixed emotions about Panasonic, they have misled, intentionally and have not provided the LX-1 to alot of reputable stores, nor made it available in Canada, but rather sold their stock to Leica for the copy thing ( This is my personal opinion based on no real facts other than Leica seems to be gearing up for the D-Lux 2 , yet camera shops cant get it!)
Thanks for the thoughts tho!

7:32 am - Thursday, November 3, 2005

#629 GARY POGODA

Nick, congratulations. Was it a picture of the kids or one of the Lotus
Blossoms that won?

8:59 am - Thursday, November 3, 2005

#630 nick

I don't know what you are talking about!???
I haven't submitted anything to any contest!

10:23 am - Thursday, November 3, 2005

#631 nick

OK!! I got it, Very Funny!!I never claimed to be quick either!!

10:31 am - Thursday, November 3, 2005

#632 emery G Purslow

Check out the pictures over at Luminous Landscape

5:17 pm - Thursday, November 3, 2005

#633 nick

Finally, someone else has something other than negative stuff to say about the little beauty! Shot image 1562 yesterday, STILL HAPPY!!!

10:29 pm - Thursday, November 3, 2005

#634 Li

Here is another good lx1 sample page - http://www.pbase.com/cokids/lumix_lx1.

Since iso 80 works so well, I wish it started with a lower iso (like 50) and end with a smaller iso like 200. That way it will be more usable and may not have given it this 'noisy' reputation.

2:57 pm - Friday, November 4, 2005

#635 GARY POGODA

Eliminating lower ISOs is a status symbol for camera manufactures.
Basically, Panasonic is saying they already have no noise at ISO 80,
so why include ISO 50. On the other hand, eliminating the ISO 400
setting would only raise suspicions, and be even more damaging.

8:49 pm - Friday, November 4, 2005

#636 AA

Li -

So far, I see so many more DAYLIGHT photos, or well-lit photos with flash. There really is nothing special about these photos except for the 16x9 framing.
Why won't people show us some NIGHT/ DARK INTERIOR/ CONTRAST/ CHIAROSCURO shots? Does anyone even own a tripod, or are the people who are buying this camera really just the basic snap-shooting consumer?

If you get rid of ISOs above 200, then the camera would truly be considered a Daylight camera, then?

I guess the future really bright, eh? Even my Seiko watch has the name BRIGHTZ on it. Hehehe.

9:06 pm - Friday, November 4, 2005

#637 nick

You are probably right, AA. I shy away from night shots because I never really got many, good enough, that got me motivated towards doing alot of it. We non-pro snapshooters have tripods but can't find time to use them, I transitioned to a monopod and use it ALOT, mostly in the van, shooting out the window.

10:38 pm - Friday, November 4, 2005

#638 AA

Hmmm....... that's very interesting, Nick, actually -

cos I don't find the lens on the LX1 to be that fast at all, for use without a tripod - the LX1 is not exactly a fast-lens sports shooter, is it? I see it more as a take-your-time-and-compose-a-nice-landscape-shot kind of camera.

Of course, with daylight you've got enough light to not have extend exposure, but what if you had to shoot something just a little under the limits? I guess you won't be pushing the stops too much on this camera, because I'd be afraid of the noise too, at that point.

Just try shooting some well-lit night streets or buildings and see what that does. I'm not asking that someone go and shoot the night sky full of stars, I just want to see some shots of the city-scapes with neons and street lights, that sort of thing, to see what extended exposures would do with streaming car lights and so on.

I've got a couple of more weeks before the Leica one comes out. I'm itching, just so I can do a comparison between it and the Pana version.

3:45 am - Saturday, November 5, 2005

#639 nick

Ensuring that you are at the fastest aperture, either with the "Sports" setting, or shooting in aperture priority , wide open , has gotten me some great butterfly-in-motion shots. The IS helps out alot, this being the first IS I have ever used, it is truly a blessing! I never take it off 80. I sincerely hope that the Leica has some advantages over the LX-1, because the grain in night shots is definitely there, correctible with tricks, but time is money. Li has done some night shots, fireworks and dim-light, I'll contact him and see if he he can help you in this area.

6:48 am - Saturday, November 5, 2005

#640 nick

AA.. Actually Li has sent me some very nice low light shots, # 244 was awesome, he will read this soon, and respond I'm sure. He is alot more ambitious about getting out and experimenting with all different ideas than I. I am happy to send my work to you if you contact me, that is if you promise not to be too critical!

7:07 am - Saturday, November 5, 2005

#641 Li

AA .. About 99% of the time I shoot in day light or indoors with flash. Probably that's true for most of the non-pros.

But with lx1 I'm experimenting far more and done a few nightshots and fireworks and I am really impressed with them. Did some street photos at low light as well. Generally for low light I take some support (like a lamp post or a fence) and for fireworks I bought a table tripod which is boosted with a box. For handheld up to 1 sec exposure gives good pictures and with tripod I went up to 8 seconds.

As for the image quality, I'm impressed myself and was able to impress my friends as well. If I look at 100%, definitely there is noise. I don't use any software but Nick used photoshop and was able to clear the noise, darken the sky and enhanced the pictures very much. I don't do any post processing but the original pictures are good enough for me.

Personally I'll place the lx1 between P&S and SLR. But considering that I carry it a lot of time, it fits my need perfectly. When I bought the sony P8 two years before I tried some night shots (without flash) and it was disastrous .. So I never experimented again. But lx1 is far more usable that P8. I don't have an slr so I can't rate lx1 against an slr but Nick says they are good enough :-)

Sunrise/sunset pictures are really good, with lot of detail and colours, so I keep taking them. If you drop a mail at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address), I'll be happy to send some of these pictures. Please do post your comments so we'll know where lx1 is compared to an slr.

8:42 am - Saturday, November 5, 2005

#642 Carsten Ranke

Another (quite disappointing !) LX1 review at Digital Camera Info.

9:12 pm - Sunday, November 6, 2005

#643 nick

Picture # 1598 at the A Bomb Memorial yesterday, still lovin it!!

10:26 pm - Sunday, November 6, 2005

#644 GARY POGODA

Speaking of bombs, that was THE most damaging LX1 review I have
seen to date. Be sure to check out the Resolution, Noise, Low Light
Performance, and Conclusion sections.

And my comment. :)

10:58 pm - Sunday, November 6, 2005

#645 nick

Good Gary! Right on with your quick evals! I wish I was as quick as you! But I'm not, and, one of the opinions I got from this review was, alot of it was opinion. Taking a chance on a new product, I was wondering if it would indeed do something for me that I wasn't getting. Without predjudice towards Panasonic for the obvious lie (Size), I was facinated by what I was, and am, getting. Maybe it's specs are low in some areas, but photography is ambiguous, and a camera is only a tool that the user can, or cannot, be happy with. Did this reviewer actually go out and do some picture taking with the camera?.. I love the size, the image , and even the Panasonic "Bling", actually enough that I bought one for my wife for Christmas ( Wish I had waited, the yen jumped from 110 to almost 120 since I bought it!!) I recommend that anyone interested in this camera attempt to use one from a camera store, I know some stores will allow a trial, or, at least get some user feedback before they decide on a purchase.... OR, just hang around until all the bugs are completely gone! I couldn't wait, too many pictures I'm missing while I'm typing this, gotta run, leaves are turning brilliant colors as I type.....16X9 is awesome!! ( Gary, all my picture settings are on "HIGH" )

11:28 pm - Sunday, November 6, 2005

#646 GARY POGODA

Nick, when it's all said and done, it's the results that matter. And no
doubt about it, you are getting excellent results with the LX1.

Of course, we have yet to see proof of that :). But I believe you!

12:01 am - Monday, November 7, 2005

#647 AA

"Of course, we have yet to see proof of that .  But I believe you! "

Oooooooo Gary, you are on fire today, amigo. That was rather scathing, wouldn't you say? But that's OK, we need someone to keep pushing the right buttons with so many people pitching in their 2 cents.

Keep it up.

Every day that passes, I am lowering my expectations so when I do buy it, I am not so disappointed...........

12:28 am - Monday, November 7, 2005

#648 nick

Words are cheap, dont believe anything you read or hear, get out there and try it! AA you are soooooooooooooooo funny (lately , that is!), You keep me thinking about that famous line by Chevy Chase.."Does this mean I wont be getting a Valentine's Day card from you next year?" ( One of the Fletch movies )

3:23 am - Monday, November 7, 2005

#649 nick

Gary, help me navigate to a blog where I can get some answers on 10/20D firmware, I must be incredibly stupid, stumbling around this site gets me nowhere except back home, here! Thanks!

1:53 pm - Monday, November 7, 2005

#650 GARY POGODA

Is this what you wanted? Just click the desired camera model to get
to the latest firmware download for that model.

http://consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/controller?act=SiteMapAct&keycode=model&functionid=3&fcategoryid=301

If it is questions you want answered, try the Canon EOS 20D/10D/...
Forum at DPReview.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1019

8:53 pm - Monday, November 7, 2005

#651 nick

Thanks, just some questions, might not need to download!

10:11 pm - Monday, November 7, 2005

#652 AA

HEY HEY HEY
did anyone notice?

Um, er, care to comment there, Gary, maestro? How 'bout you, Nick the click-er? Er, and you, Carsten?

What y'all thunk this time? Too much personal opinion weighed in? Or is it accurate?

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/panasonic/dmc_lx1-review/index.shtml

4:40 am - Tuesday, November 8, 2005

#653 nick

"Clicker" here (#1695 taken this morning), Did you notice the settings on the Gallery pictures were set to "0", I find a pleasant difference when set to HIGH!
I felt the review was "Fair" but would like to add that I cant understand why anyone would even considering shooting in something other than 19X9 @ ASA80, and more should have been said about the IS, which is equally as exciting as the "High Vision" aspect.

5:25 am - Tuesday, November 8, 2005

#654 Li

None of these reviews tell us what alternative we have. When I bought, Canon S80 was the closest to lx1 - but it had a 4x3 ratio which doesn't do justice to the 28mm lens - and it didn't have the IS. Even now we don't have a real alternative ..

11:54 am - Tuesday, November 8, 2005

#655 GARY POGODA

Something obvious from the review, Silver looks way better than Black. :)

7:04 pm - Tuesday, November 8, 2005

#656 Nick in Japan

Ya gotta get one in your hands Gary!!!If they wont let you leave the store with it for a trial shoot, do some shooting in the store, make sure you pop on the histogram or grid overlay, and hit the top button on the back to see how nice and easy the EV control is, to instantly tweak while shooting, the 16x9 display is an accurate tease for the pleasures you will have after the transfer to the computer, TV or hard copies, Geepers, I'm getting myself all excited again!!!Gotta go, I hear those leaves changing!!!!

10:53 pm - Tuesday, November 8, 2005

#657 AA

Li -
you didn't consider Panasonic other cameras?
Such as the DMC-FX9? It's essentially the same camera - with 4x3, of course, but with the ability to shoot 16x9 as a cropped image. It really is essentially the same camera, without the RAW option, and it's around $200 cheaper.

2:29 am - Wednesday, November 9, 2005

#658 nick

AA, I know you didn't ask the question to me, but I gotta tell you that the FX-9 WAS a consideration of mine! The sway was the non-wide angle lens! I wasnt familiar the 16x9 aspect and, maybe, just maybe, the 4mp 16x9 image might be good, as provided by the FX-9... For years I have used pocket cameras, both 35mm standard and half frame, and swore, about 10 years ago that I would never settle for anything except 28mm or wider. Please dont be fooled that 35/38mm will satisfy you, no matter what the companies hype!

3:09 am - Wednesday, November 9, 2005

#659 Li

I didn't consider FX9 for the same reason that Nick mentioned - it didn't have a 28 mm lens. The only other camera that came close (or may be better) was canon S80 (which is 'highly recommended' in today's review in dpreview).

Finally I decided on LX1 because of IS and 16x9 movies. I strongly believe that 16x9 is the future so want to move into it asap. We can modify the pictures later but not the movies. Noise seems to be the only thing that is against LX1. I've never needed anything more than ISO 80 so its not as bad as it sounds ..

I'm not really worried about the quality of the camera. They are all made by reputed companies and they'll all fall in a very narrow band. In fact, the photos and movies I took with sony P8 looks so good now and they can only get better over years ..

12:45 pm - Wednesday, November 9, 2005

#660 AA

But -

the 28mm is ONLY when you have it framed at 16x9.
Frame the same shot but click it over to the 4x3 frame and you'll only have 35mm.

As you have said many many time over, that you never print and will only display your images on a HDTV, which, as you rightly have mentioned, is only capable of displaying up to around 2Megapixels of still images - so you could've bought the FX9, and framed every shot with its own 16x9 framing (from the cropped 4x3) and you would've got a 4 Megapixels image which would've been plenty enough for you, and you would've saved $200.

- - "We can modify the pictures later but not the movies."

Huh? What are you talking about? What do you think the meaning of "CG" is in the Hollywood movies? Ever heard of Maya? After Effects? Avid's SoftImage?Media 100? Do you watch TV at all? How do you think they do all those graphical effects?


- - "I’m not really worried about the quality of the camera."

That is the worst statement I have ever heard, ever. You mean to say that the BUILD quality is not so important? Or do you mean to say that the image quality is not so important? Which is it?
If neither is important, then why bother taking photographs at all?

- - "They are all made by reputed companies and they’ll all fall in a very narrow band."

What narrow band? The narrow band of major tech companies being able to make $600 cameras on the fly in their factories, as opposed to YOU or I being able to manufacture something as good and reliable in our own garage?
Reputed? If that's the case, then Panasonic should be crucified for putting a sensor as noisy as this in to this camera.

In fact, the last 2 quotes above that you wrote basically gives license to those very companies to make crappy, standard, average products that they can dole out for ever and ever to keep us spinning in our own mediocrity.

UNLESS we demand better products and refuse to accept such mediocrity, things will never get better.

You're too nonchalant in your statements and that attitude shows. Sorry, but no offense - I just had to make a point.

6:24 pm - Wednesday, November 9, 2005

#661 GARY POGODA

After seeing the LX1's poor noise performance compared to the S80,
which reportedly has even smaller pixels than the LX1, I wonder if the
same engineer who provided the LX1's depth measurement of 1" also
provided the LX1's CCD measurement of 1/1.65", because it certainly
appears to perform more like a 1/2.5" CCD.

BTW, in the S80 "Luminance Noise Graph" comparison, the Gray LX1
performed MUCH better than the Black ???

No lie, check it out. :)

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canons80/page7.asp

8:33 pm - Wednesday, November 9, 2005

#662 Nick in Japan

I think Li means that he is not worried about quality because most manufacturers make pretty good quality stuff, generally, for we consumers that worry about our $. Printing is the final step, you gotta have pixels to work with when you do the adjustments necessary in the tweaking process, without those pixels to work with, the end product will suffer. Alot of folks are satisfied with taking a picture and running straight to the printer, Li spends alot of time in Photoshop and has some great memories to e-mail, view on TV or print. I never got into moving pictures so I cant address those areas. I also agree that the companies need to get feedback from us, I really think Panasonic has gotten the word about "Noise" , I pray every night that a firmware fix will hit the Web, addressing the noise, BUT, I'm not holding my breath because I believe it is inherent to the weany CCDs' that are being used.

10:48 pm - Wednesday, November 9, 2005

#663 Nick in Japan

Gary, Gary, Gary... Noise in a grey picture and noise in a black picture test!!!

10:53 pm - Wednesday, November 9, 2005

#664 nick

And... a black car shows dirt more than a white , or light colored car!

7:34 am - Thursday, November 10, 2005

#665 Li

Sorry, I meant to say I don't worry about the quality of the camera AFTER buying it. In fact, I obsessed over the choice for more than 2 months until it hurt. Then I listed down the features I really wanted - 28 mm, widescreen, IS, movies, manual controls and rechargeable batteries. And only LX1 delivered all of it. And then came the dpreview's bad review. Now do I wait for another 6 months in the hope that Canon/Sony will wake up and catch up or just buy it and start using it?

28mm works only with 16x9 but why would anyone want to switch to 4x3? LX1 will be better than FX9 under any setting because of the 28 mm lens which is missing in FX9. And more pixels is handy if ever you want to crop a picture.

You can edit the pictures out of S80 and make them widescreen but you'll have to chop off the top or bottom to get it - there is no option to select 16x9 in the camera itself. And you need to always remember this while composing. Also, its a lot easier to run a noise reduction software to clean up hundreds of pictures overnight than to edit all of them and refit them into widescreen. Or better still, future TVs may come with options for NR, Red Eye reduction, etc but recomposing a picture is subjective and cannot be automated.

I've done a bit of movie editing but its all simple cutting and joining and burning DVDs. I didn't think it is easily possible to convert 4x3 movies into widescreen movies. Windows Media center does it autocatically but then it distorts the picture. I was keen to avoid it in the new camera.

Rather than critisizing Panasonic for delivering this all in one model with noise, the reviewers should be asking what is stopping Canon/Sony from doing it better. For example in S80 review, the reviewer has not even raised the question of IS. By now, IS should be a standard in all cameras so why not Canon doing it? If IS delivers about 2 stop improvement, then LX1's iso 80 should be compared with S80's iso 200? Only then it will be a fair comparison. In an extreme case, you'll get crisp-noisy image from lx1 and smooth-blurred image from s80.

I'm just justifying my decision here - others may find other cameras suitable for their need. For example, one friend said he'll never consider LX1 simply because of the lens barrel that sticks out of the body. This same guy bought a Konika A2 which sleeps in the closet most of the time. So I guess its a reaction to that experience. Its all subjective ..

2:36 pm - Thursday, November 10, 2005

#666 Li

I did some maths just to put this widescreen thing in the proper perspective (never claimed to be good at it so please be kind).

The highest resolution of canon S80 is 3264 x 2448 which is the 4x3 format or 1.33. To fit it into widescreen format, we'll have to cut the height to 1834, after which it becomes 16x9 or 1.78. So you'll have to give up 25% of the height (and the picture) just to achieve widescreen.

On the other hand, if you keep it in 4x3 format and view it in a widescreen TV, still you'll use only 75% of the screen - the rest will be the black bars on the side. Now 25% is big enough to be a very important factor. So why are these companies continue to ignore it? Sony even sells widescreen TV and camcorder but not camera!

Add a 28 mm lens and the pictures become panaromic .. So how much should we worry about noise which can't even be seen unless you look really hard for it? Of course if you always print and never use screen to view then this point is not relevant. But I think people are slowly moving away from printing ..

6:22 pm - Thursday, November 10, 2005

#667 GARY POGODA

Didn't think you'd buy that argument for preferring Silver over Black. :)

7:09 pm - Thursday, November 10, 2005

#668 nick

I was waiting for that, Gary!... Li! you are the new Guru!

10:40 pm - Thursday, November 10, 2005

#669 AA

Li, now you sound exactly like Gary. I bet you are the one and the same person, you've just been ####### me this whole time, right? hahahahaha


THAT's what I wanted to hear. Just some reasonable, objective analysis of the IFs WHYs and WHERETOFORs from you, instead of the old "I'm just so happy to own such a happy camera and it makes me happy to own one!"

Glad you put some thought to it - because you've said basically what everyone's been thinking, regarding the LX1.

Enjoy

12:30 am - Friday, November 11, 2005

#670 nick

Gary! open a comedy shop in East L.A. with your Buddy, Dr. Jekyll.......

12:54 am - Friday, November 11, 2005

#671 Li

There is no Jekyll or Hyde! If you see the postings done by me and Gary, it will be on totally different times of the day. I'll have to be up the whole day and night to do this ..

Before buying I got some samples from Nick and was really impressed. But was not able to tell what makes it different from other cameras. Now that I really thought about it, 25% could make all the difference between an ordinary picture and a dramatic one. So the objective advantages are - 16x9 with 28 mm and IS. Noise, color, size, sharpness and the rest are all subjective.

1:25 pm - Friday, November 11, 2005

#672 AA

SIZEFIXER!

Let me know how it works, Nick, since you seem to have all the dispoable income lying around your place. Haha.
Yeah I know there is a free trial - I just may try it sometime soon.

http://www.fixerlabs.com/New_Website/pages/sizefixer_promotion.htm

5:38 pm - Friday, November 11, 2005

#673 GARY POGODA

Just one question for you, Nick. How's your VD coming along?

7:02 pm - Friday, November 11, 2005

#674 AA

Yeah Nick, ya know, Syphilis, Gonorrhea or Clamydia? How're they coming along?

LMHO.......

8:42 pm - Friday, November 11, 2005

#675 nick

At Last, confirmation that Gary and AA are one-in-the same. Li, I'm sorry if you read something into my enty that wasn't there, you havent said anything profane, disrespectful,nor vaugely funny. I enjoy your contibutions to this blog. If I were Mr. Goldstein, I would erase this entire blog, as I'm sure it is accessed by children, which may be corrupted.. Sad that Gary has followed AA's style of attack conversation, real sad!

11:36 pm - Friday, November 11, 2005

#676 nick

In Fact, the following official complaint is posted:
Because of Profane, disrespectful references posted by "Gary" and "AA" I , respectfully request a ban of their use of this blog. Humor is subjective, when profanity and references to it, in obviously personal attacks, are posted, it demeans the entire process and calls for action. If I have called attention to these attacks in the past, with words that were offensive, I did so with intent of calling attention to something that was previously posted, never in a profane way, cutting?, YES, Profane?, no. Thank you for your consideration.
Respectfully Submitted
Nick in Japan

11:52 pm - Friday, November 11, 2005

#677 AA

I think we can all agree that Nick is fascist.

Who're you to go around thinking you can actually "control" things? You sound like Bush-wacker, my friend, that moron we have in the White House.

Go back, once again, and read your own post where you started your schizophrenic rantings, thinking that you are so all high-and-mighty by saying that we are less worthy than you to be here.

What was so profance about mine or Gary's posts? Neither of us brought religion nor God in to it! I think you need to study the dictionary, dude.

" I have called attention to these attacks in the past, with words that were offensive, I did so with intent of calling attention to something that was previously posted, never in a profane way, cutting?, YES, Profane?, no. Thank you for your consideration."

I throw that right back in your face, you fascist bigot! Now that was cutting, and I hope it went deep and sharp, but it wasn't profane! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

12:20 am - Saturday, November 12, 2005

#678 nick

WARNING! If you want information about the Panasonic LX-1, I recommend you go elsewhere. This blog is catered by obsenities, disrespect and a general codecending attitude toward some users of the LX-1. Some contributers to this blog would rather talk about other things, more interested in attacking people and agenda items than helpful stuff. The sad part is that the friendships that can develop thru meaningful blogging, is lost here. Yes, AA, my offer to buy your LX-1 if you weren't happy with it is here-by recinded, Gary, your comment about VD is unbecoming to you and your wife, if indeed you are married. You have fallen into the pit with AA, I hope you two are happy, I wish you, both, a quick recovery. I made a big mistake by returning here, hoping things would get better....Wow! am I ever stupid. Sayonara!

7:31 am - Saturday, November 12, 2005

#679 AA

Oooooo so touchy touchy!
Was that your attempt to be somewhat funny or something? Cos I wasn't tickled one bit, really......

Who said anything condescending?
All you guys keep telling me is how great it looks when the photos from the LX1 is re-sized and fitted to your computer and TV screens! You guys don't even print at full resolution, at full size! Every review out there is saying that printing at such large sizes might not be recommended! But I still haven't heard anyone actually give me a real-world, practical, objective, consumer review of how a photo from this camera looks, printed, after it has gone through the regular post-processing in the computer, and using a higher-end printer and paper!

Nick, you're not a loss around here, as people can tell you. We all know there are plenty of fools running around the web.

I never cared about your offer to buy my LX1 if I wasn't happy with it - if I actually bought one! I'm sure I can find someone to whom I can give the darned thing as a charitable contribution from me.

Tsk tsk tsk. - "You have fallen into the pit with AA" -
So quick to judge. So easily misled into labelling people one way or another thinking you are so correct, eh? Eh? Whaddaya say to that, my man? Who made you so righteous, oh high-and-mighty one?

If you think you made a "mistake" and feel that you are "stupid" about yourself - don't you think people would read that and think that they can't really trust nor rely on your analysis of the camera? That your opinions may also be mistaken and stupid? Oh let me tell you how I can make you eat your own words, cos I am very good at that!
"... am I ever stupid!"
And is that supposed to be some sort of cry for help?


I am quite content, actually, thank you.
I don't at this moment know how Gary feels or is thinking, but that's his business, not mine.


As I said before,
"Some contributers to this blog would rather talk about other things, more interested in attacking people and agenda items than helpful stuff."
- you are just full of contradictions, aren't you? Just living in hypocrisy hell, eh?

Au revoir, Gopher......... hahahahahaha!

Just relax...... take a deep breath and sit back so that I can kick your butt some more, dude!

9:45 am - Saturday, November 12, 2005

#680 GARY POGODA

I guess VD isn't big in Japan. Check your (US) calendars. :)

The date of my comment (11/11) was Veterans' Day. As a retired
Marine, I had expected Nick, above all, to see through the obvious
misdirection of that comment, and then take it for the good wishes
and acknowledgment of the day it was intended to be.

10:13 pm - Saturday, November 12, 2005

#681 Mark Goldstein

Can I remind you all that this is supposed to be a discussion about the DMC-LX1? Please stop the personal attacks on each other.

And Panasonic UK were looking at this thread earlier this week...

11:39 am - Sunday, November 13, 2005

#682 Li

Good that Panasonic is actually looking at user feedback. My comment is they've made a great product but messed up the marketing. They should've shouted from the rooftop instead of meakly releasing it into the market and let the customers figure out the features.

AA, if you need an assessment of the print quality at full resolution, all you have to do is download a sample and print it. Why do you expect us to do it and tell you? And even if we did, how can you trust us? Quality is a subjective thing my friend - you'll have to decide for yourself.

Mr. Goldstein, if it is possible, I request you to remove the personal comments in the blog and just leave the informative ones. That will make a more pleasent reading ..

3:26 pm - Sunday, November 13, 2005

#683 GARY POGODA

With a thread of nearly 700 posts over 4 months, you have to expect
there will be some comments unrelated to the LX1, as is similarly the
case with many other threads on this site. Add to that the fact that a
majority of the posts come from a handful of individuals, and it is only
natural that some comments would be of a personal nature.

If you look at Mark's comment, he is specifically asking us to stop the
personal "attacks" on each other. I think he very carefully worded his
request to preclude personal "comments" and "non-personal" attacks
(legitimate attacks of the facts and/or opinions, but of a non-personal
nature).

Part of the problem stems from the fact that when you read words on
a page, you do not hear their tone or inflections, and it becomes easy
to misconstrue their intended meaning. When one comment is taken
wrong, it typically evokes a negative response, and then what you get
is a snowball effect.

By now we should all know each other pretty well on this thread, and
we should all know where the other is coming from. I don't think that
anyone is out to personally attack anyone else. So, if you do receive
a comment that rubs you the wrong way, don't take it personally, just
let it go. You will be a better person for it.

Panasonic, FWIW, if it were not for the noise problem, the LX1 would
be a winner hands down. Even so, there is bound to be a substantial
market for the camera due to its unique features; however, if you wish
to build a loyal following for it, you should quickly resolve this problem
with a firmware update.

Either that, or knock $200 of the price. :)

10:13 pm - Sunday, November 13, 2005

#684 Mark Goldstein

Back on a more positive note, I'm receiving the LX1 tomorrow for review, so watch this space...

12:15 pm - Tuesday, November 15, 2005

#685 Greg

I'm wondering what cases you guys use for your LX1? I just got one last friday, and need a case.. i'm hoping for something thats quite small and fits snugly around the camera... pity panasonic dont make one.

if u coul'd post links and/or pics that would be awesome

thanks all
Greg

1:01 am - Tuesday, November 22, 2005

#686 AA

OK! I finally held one in my hands today at the local camera store.

He had the Black one in the display case.

It's small! I knew it was small, but I was pleasantly surprised to find it smaller than I expected.
I think all those people complaining about the protruding lens are all crazy. The camera is pretty darn small for what it has, and in a nice, sleek case, it slips in to my jeans pocket without a hitch. Of course, I would get a belt clip contraption for it to avoid stuffing my pockets (keys, wallet, cellphone).......

Not bad at all. I like the black one. It looks good.

1:11 am - Wednesday, November 23, 2005

#687 GARY POGODA

AA, from your previous comments, I thought you were interested in
the D-Lux 2, not in the LX1, but from your latest comment, it was not
clear which one you examined in the store.

Was that an LX1 or a D-Lux 2 in your pocket, (or were you just happy
to see me)? :)

1:08 am - Thursday, November 24, 2005

#688 AA

Shhhhhhhhh....... it was the black LX1.
I also noticed that Circuit City is carrying now......

The Leica one hasn't come out, has it?

Hey, everyone wants to save money.
They're the same machine, different skin.
If someone did buy the Leica version, I would like to borrow that person's software CD so I can borrow the Raw converter from it.

4:58 am - Thursday, November 24, 2005

#689 Red Glasses

Hi all,
I had a really, really good 3 hour read!
I wondered if the debate was over, I just ordered a black LX-1, should be here next month (!)
Anyway, thank for all your insights

4:24 pm - Saturday, November 26, 2005

#690 zymonk

I too recently got my (black) LX-1. Haven't used it enough to have alot of opinions but so far I like it. It's much smaller than I expected. The best cases that I found for it are the small Tenba's (3&4). The 3 is a touch tight and the 4 a bit loose. I bought one of each. They are $10-11.

Has anyone used the Arc Panorama software that comes with the camera? I'm wondering if it's any good and worth installing.

8:16 pm - Saturday, November 26, 2005

#691 GARY POGODA

Congratulations on your purchase. The debate is pretty much over.
There's no advantage to buying the D-Lux 2 over the LX1. The LX1
works great, and will produce stunning pictures as long as you keep
to ISO 80. The LX1 is a semi-ultra-compact with a 2" depth, not the
1" depth claimed by Panasonic. As for the color debate, Silver is the
more striking color, and only wimps will buy Black.

Just kidding. :)

8:27 pm - Saturday, November 26, 2005

#692 Red Glasses

Dang, too late to participate in the debate...
Thank God I'm a wimp, black all the way (see more dirt on a black car ---> yes siree, I've got a black car)

12:24 am - Sunday, November 27, 2005

#693 Red Glasses

ps.
I'd like a good, soft leather (yes ma'am, fetish)case for the LX-1.
Any thoughts?

12:27 am - Sunday, November 27, 2005

#694 nick in japan

IMHO, it really doen't matter what you store the little gem in, using it is the wonder of this wonderful camera. I keep my F-828 and LX-1 in seperate Royal Salute bags in my ready bag, and when on my daily shoot, the LX-1 is usually on a chain around my neck, or, with it's screwed-in hot-shoe foot (Always attached), slipped into the hot-shoe of the Sony , or Canons.
What ever manner of casing the beauty, you should have "immediate" access to it for those special moments!
Picture # 2141 taken this morning, STILL in love with it!!
Good Shooting !
Semper Fi!

7:08 am - Sunday, November 27, 2005

#695 Red Glasses

Dear Nick
Please tell me how it is possible to carry the LX1 around my neck.
There are no TWO rings, are there?

5:22 pm - Sunday, November 27, 2005

#696 nick in japan

No need for 2 attachment points, by using just one, the camera hangs at a slanted angle which doesnt mean anything at all! In fact by attaching both hook ends of an attractive chain, one to the camera and the other to the attached end, the camera hangs at an attractive angle.. ready to grab and put into immediate action. It is light enough to become forgotten, I sometimes just swing it over into a shirt pocket,or put it inside the shirt/jacket, if I'm going to do some bending over.
I suggest getting into a habit of putting the lens cap in ONE place EVERY time you remove it, I ALWAYS use my right pants pocket. Many folks lose caps, or misplace them because we tend to want to hold on to the cap and just put them where-ever they can.. nothing as perplexing than a lost cap! I lost MANY in my younger years, The habit of one place for caps is a wonderful habit to get into!
Good shooting
Semper Fi!

10:46 pm - Sunday, November 27, 2005

#697 AA

So you don't have the lens cap on its own string, attached by the ring holder on the camera? You actually remove it completely and place it in your pocket? Interesting........
I think I would lose it in no time.

5:15 am - Monday, November 28, 2005

#698 nick in japan

A dangling cap will drive you nuts when you are shooting, swinging and showing up in downward shots. I have discovered the close-up capability of this camera is awesome, recently shooting fallen leaves on some moss in a nearby park, actually shooting straight down to capture the shot. The IS keeps the dimly lit shots sharp and allows pictures that have been, well, not good in the past. I mentioned the cap habit because altho it sounds trivial, I wish someone had impressed me with how important it is 50 years ago! I have lost caps that had collector value, Leica, Nikon "F" and even an odd-ball 105mm cover for my dear 250mm f5 Mamiya!.. There is some supernatural force that gets those little buggers!..... One pocket, one only, and you will never lose another.....IMHO
Semper Fi, Nick

5:51 am - Monday, November 28, 2005

#699 Red Glasses

Hi nick & others,
About the lenscap: I had, for a long time, a Nikon Coolpix with a lenscap dangling on a string. When I shot, the lenscap was in the mouse of my right hand, where the camera was as well. It just fitted nicely and I was very used to this method.
Would you reckon that the lenscap of the LX-1 is too big for this method (in the same hand as your camera?)

8:56 am - Monday, November 28, 2005

#700 nick in japan

Perfect... If you plan to just take pictures without ANY adjustments! One of the pleasures of this camera , in different modes, is to adjust the controls, I wouldnt want to be consentrating on tweaking the EV while maintaining a cap. My suggestion is to experiment to see what you really feel comfortable with and then decide. The lenscap is small, light and easily put anywhere..... ANYWHERE! I once knew a fella that put his in his CAP! I very seldom use one camera alone, for me, it doesnt work, If you plan on going on a shoot with one camera, the string method will work just fine. For me, minimum cameras are 2, ideally,3, musical chairs with caps is a frustration I dont need..... Good Shooting!
Semper Fi !

9:31 am - Monday, November 28, 2005