Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX2

July 19, 2006 | Mark Goldstein | Digital Compact Cameras | 481 Comments |

Panasonic LUMIX DMC-LX2Panasonic Press Release

Panasonic today introduced the Lumix DMC-LX2, successor to the DMC-LX1, which has received high acclaim worldwide for its unique 16:9 wide CCD, plentiful functions, and smart design. The Panasonic DMC-LX2 inherits the f/2.8 28mm wide angle LEICA DC lens, 4x optical zoom (equivalent to 28mm to 112mm on a 35mm film camera) and MEGA O.I.S.(Optical Image Stabilizer) system in addition to an enhanced CCD capable of 10.2-megapixels and larger 2.8 16:9 wide LCD. The Panasonic DMC-LX2 is unique in that it incorporates triple-wide features of 28 mm wide angle LEICA DC lens, 16:9 wide CCD and 16:9 wide LCD. Not only that, the L X2 is further distinguished from other cameras by its full manual controllability with a joystick allowing users to easily enjoy creative shooting. The DMC-LX2 also boasts Venus Engine III high performance image processing LSI to dramatically reduce the noise that challenged the predecessor, realizing image recording at max. ISO 1600 high sensitivity setting at full resolution.

To fight against the major cause of blurred images, Panasonic invented the MEGA O.I.S. system taking advantage of its superior lens technology to compensate for handshake  a feature which has long been incorporated into the LUMIX range of cameras. In addition, to also compensate for the other major cause of blurred images  movement of the subject  the LX2 is also equipped with the worlds first* Intelligent ISO Control (hereafter I.I.C.) within the advanced image processing LSI Venus Engine III. When set to the I.I.C., the Venus Engine III detects the subjects movement and adjusts the ISO setting and shutter speed to best suit the subject movement and the light conditionautomatically. Panasonics excellent image stabilizing system allows users to take clear, crisp images in any situation automatically, leaving everything to the camera.

The LUMIX LX series are distinct from other compact cameras in the way they feature extensive manual controls including manual focus and manual exposure which can be smoothly operated with a joystick. This joystick further provides operation shortcuts to the frequently used settings including white balance, ISO, image size, compression format, light metering and AF mode by simply pressing and holding it. It also allows exposure compensation and selection of one out of nine focusing areas.

The aspect ratio is easily selectable between 16:9 wide, 3:2 and conventional 4:3 with a switch located on top of the lens barrel to shoot in the framing aspect that best suits the subjects composition or images purpose of use. In addition, the DMC-LX2 is capable of recording wide 16:9 high definition (1280 x 720) motion image at 15 fps.

The other features that elevate the DMC-LX2 is the incorporation of 13 MB of built-in memory while the battery life is extended up to 300 pictures* on one charging, not to let you miss those great spur-of-the-moment shots. A print mode has been added to the mode dial so that you can print the images quickly and bundled software allows users to edit and develop RAW files.

The unique 16:9 wide CCD and 28mm wide angle LEICA DC lens provide a unique view of the world and which is refined by the Panasonics excellent image stabilizing systems of MEGA O.I.S., the high sensitivity recording and the I.I.C.

The LUMIX DMC-LX2 is like no other compact camera, enabling both high-end amateurs and entry-level users to explore the creativeness that surely enhances the joy of shooting.

* Based on the CIPA standard.

1.10.2-megapixel 16:9 aspect CCD and f/2.8 28mm wide angle 4x optical zoom LEICA DC Lens

The DMC-LX2 features a 10.2-megapixel 16:9 aspect CCD and f/2.8 4x optical zoom 28mm wide angle* (equivalent to 28 mm to 112 mm on a 35 mm film camera) LEICA DC VARIO-ELMARIT lens. Incorporating three aspherical lenses provides high optical performance while preserving the compactness of the unit. The aspect ratio can be easily selected between 16:9 or 3:2 in addition to the conventional 4:3 with a switch on the lens barrel on a shot-by-shot-basis to best suit the composition of the image. Even after shooting, the 16:9 ratio can be converted to 3:2 or 4:3 with the camera according to your purpose of use.

The Extra Optical Zoom, made possible by using the center part of 10.2-megapixel high resolution CCD, further extends the zoom ratio to 5.5x for 5-megapixel image recording in 16:9 aspect with minimal deterioration.

* In 16:9 aspect ratio.

2. More than just a MEGA O.I.S., LUMIXs image stabilizing system further evolves
Taking advantage of its superior lens technology, Panasonic invented the MEGA O.I.S.(Optical Image Stabilizer) to fight against the major cause of blurred images. It compensates for handshake and is now featured on the entire LUMIX range, and having been highly evaluated and appreciated by the users across the world. Every slight hand-shake movement is detected accurately with the sampling frequency at 4,000 times per second and will be compensated to render clear, sharp images. In addition, movement of the subject, the other major cause of blurred images, is suppressed by the advanced image processing LSI Venus Engine III with the Intelligent ISO Control (hereafter I.I.C.) and max.ISO1600 high sensitivity recording capabilities. The worlds first incorporation* of this I.I.C. allows the automatic adjustment of the suitable ISO setting and shutter speed that best suits the situation by analyzing the speed of subject movement. If the subject is moving, the ISO setting would automatically rise to allow high shutter speed. On the other hand, if the subject is still and no movement is detected, you can take beautiful natural images with a low ISO setting.

?Accordingly the new LUMIX automatically takes the best countermeasures against any causes of blurred images with MEGA O.I.S. compensating for hand-shake and the I.I.C. compensating for movement of the subject. Image stabilizing system is further evolving with LUMIX.

*For a digital still camera, as of July 19, 2006.

3. Dramatically reduced noise with Venus Engine III
The DMC-LX2 adopts the Venus Engine III to realize high sensitivity recording at max. ISO 1600 at full resolution. The noise reduction system is greatly improved by removing noise at the processing stages in series. First, critical noise is roughly undraped and the chromatic noise and the luminance noise are separated to respectively go through the supplemental noise reduction process so that the remaining noise is appropriately minimised.

Despite the significantly increased performance of the camera, the Venus Engine III consumes only 80% of the power utilized by the Venus Engine II and is able to achieve a longer battery life of 300 pictures (CIPA) on a single charge. With its multi-task image processing capability, the Venus Engine III also boasts outstanding response time with a shutter release time lag of as short as 0.009 sec*. minimum and the shutter interval of 0.6 sec*. The DMC-LX2 enables easy capture of those spur-of-the-moment shots. The DMC-LX2 also allows unlimited consecutive shooting up to the capacity of the SD/SDHC memory card**.

* Not including the time for AF.
**The number of recordable pictures depends on the memory card size, battery life, picture size and image compression.

4.Joystick-operated intuitive full manual control
The easy-to-use joystick operation and good design, which were part of the highly acclaimed trademarks of the predecessor, are inherited by the DMC-LX2. The joystick was incorporated to facilitate operational ease and thereby get the best technical advantage of the multitude of functions offered by the camera.  With the joystick it is possible to set focus and exposure manually, and also quickly shortcut to frequently used variables by just pressing and holding the joystick even while monitoring a subject on the LCD. The predecessor LX1 contained white balance adjustment, ISO setting, image size setting and compression format in its shortcut menu, and the light metering and AF mode settings are now added for the new LX2. It also allows the exposure compensation and selection of one out of nine focusing areas.

A switch on the side of the lens barrel lets you quickly change the focus mode between MF, AF or Macro AF. When you focus in the Manual Focus mode, not only the focus distance but also the DOF (depth of field) according to the zoom range and aperture is displayed. An MF assist function enlarges the center of the image to make focusing easier. The focusing area can be enlarged up to 4x and is movable, which also contributes to easy and comfortable manual focusing.?

5.Crystal-clear, large 16:9 wide 2.8-inch LCD
To express the best of the extensive 16:9 wide image recording, a 2.8 wide and large 207 k high resolution LCD is newly equipped. The pixel mixed readout method performed at the CCD achieves high sensitivity to offer sufficient brightness for easy shooting even in low-lit situations.  The Power LCD function boosts the brightness level by 40% to secure clear view even in sunny outdoors.

The High Angle mode makes the display extremely easy to view from low angles, for example, when holding the camera up high to take pictures over a crowd and can be accessed easily and quickly by using the dedicated button.

6.  High definition 16:9 wide motion image recording
The DMC-LX2 is capable of recording the 4:3 VGA(640 x 480) and 16:9 wide VGA(848 x 480) motion image recording at 30 fps. Shooting is one thing but viewing is another, and you will be suitably impressed by the 16:9 moving image when it is displayed on a wide screen TV. In addition, the LX2 can record motion images even in high definition (1280 x 720) format at 15 fps. The pixel mixed readout method assists the bright motion image recording even in low lit situation.

7.  Faster AF
The AF mode can be selected according to the shooting situation: 9-point, 3-point high speed, 1-point high speed, 1-point normal speed and Spot. In the 1-point and 1-point high speed AF mode, the AF area is selectable from the nine focusing areas with the joystick to best fit the composition of the subjects. Also, the AF assist lamp helps quick, accurate focusing in situations where focusing is difficult due to the lack of light. The AF/AE lock button is also succeeded from the predecessor.

8. A Variety of Scene Modes and Other Features to Enrich Your Photography
An even larger variety of scene modes are contained  a total of seventeen* scene modes to assist you in a wide range of photographic situations. The newly incorporated Beach mode is perfect for shooting in strong sunlight and the Aerial mode assists with shooting through the windows of an aeroplane. High Sensitivity** mode is made possible by the pixel-mixed readout method by the CCD, is ideal for shooting moving subjects clearly without blurring at a maximum sensitivity setting of ISO 3200.

For additional improvement, the Print mode is also added to the mode dial of the LX2 so that you can make prints by just connecting the camera to Pictbridge -corresponding printers via included USB cable. Of course you can get plural prints of a image or print only those you have selected as your favourite.

The DMC-LX2 includes 13MB of built-in memory to serve not just as a tool of shooting images but also as a digital album, to enjoy seeing and showing your favorite pictures.

Finally, to edit and develop RAW files, SILKYPIX Developer Studio 2.0SE software application is included with the DMC-LX2. With that, you can freely adjust various setting such as exposure, white balance, and so on afterward with the RAW files to take maximum advantage of digital camera photography enjoyment.

*Not including Macro Mode.
**Resolution significantly decreases in high sensitivity mode.

Panasonic LUMIX DMC-LX2



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#101 TS

Yes, noise is a problem. I would pay more for a better quality image, because I like everything else this camera offers.

BTW Gary, write time for a LX1 RAW file is 3.4 seconds. That is 4x faster than the Ricoh GR-D. Do you consider that too slow to be usable? Are there any other small cameras that do better, or even offer RAW?

5:57 pm - Monday, August 21, 2006

#102 Marcosan

Toooo many pixels on a sensor this size.

Once again, the marketing dept. wins out over the quality dept. I wish they'd put no more than 6-7mp on these sensors.

6:47 pm - Monday, August 21, 2006

#103 TS

Simple solution Marcosan... you can set the LX2 to take images at 10MP, 8MP, or 6MP. So, I am glad they did not make it a 6-7MP camera. But, I would like a bigger CCD for better quality 10MP images.

7:09 pm - Monday, August 21, 2006

#104 Marcosan

Oh, you thilly goose...downrezzing has nothing to do with it.
IQ is all about photoreceptor (pixel) capability, size, and density. Eliminating pixels doesn't do anything to help, but does decrease the resolution. Increasing pixel size helps, but you have to subsequently increase the size of the sensor...even moreso if you wish to increase the number of pixels (resolution).

With the tiny sensors in these "pocket" digicams, they should concentrate more on bettering the CCD technology or stop playing the pixel count game, which ain't gonna happen. Then again, they could take a look at what Fuji is doing and be jealous. :)

7:36 pm - Monday, August 21, 2006

#105 TS

Marcosan, do you really care about quality if you want a 6MP camera that only records images in JPEG format. A good sensor is wasted on in-camera processing and JPEG compression.

8:23 pm - Monday, August 21, 2006

#106 Marcosan

TS, firstly you're mixing questions. I didn't say I ONLY wanted Jpeg, but I did say that I'd like the jpeg compression option to be GOOD, which means "yes!", I do care about quality, even if it's only 6mp and subject to jpeg compression. Some cameras do this better than others, no?
Secondly, I would also disagree with you that a good sensor is wasted on in-camera processing and jpeg compression. It sounds like you may be on the verge of dSLR snobbishness...or is that RAW snobbishness? :)
Any "pocketable" digicam should be able to take good jpegs. If the processing engine is bad, that's another story.

Lens + sensor + processing engine is what makes the "full" picture, so to speak. :)

10:15 pm - Monday, August 21, 2006

#107 nick in japan

#104..CCD may be the future, but for some of us that are amazed by Nikon's 4 mp images as a result of CMOS/ MOS/ LBCAST R&D, I think that the future is in that area, even if Nikon went to mega-pixels.
I can't talk about the compexity of those things, but I sure do like the results.
I would LOVE to find a D2h/s at a reasonable price !

10:45 pm - Monday, August 21, 2006

#108 Marcosan

yup, apples and oranges. The LX2 is "almost" trying to be a bridge between the two technologies, and the knucklehead in all of us wants the best of both worlds...small size and BIG performance. But as I discovered when I bought a hybrid/cross bike a few years back, I ended up with a lousy mountain bike AND a lousy road bike. Fortunately, the type of bike riding I do most is a combo of the two and therefore the BEST bike for me! When I start to do rides of more than 40 miles, I'll get a dSLR...oops..road bike. ;)

11:21 pm - Monday, August 21, 2006

#109 GARY POGODA

The LX1's 3.4 second RAW write time is better than most, if not all,
cameras in its class. Even so, I would still only use it sparingly. The
ideal would be to shoot RAW + JPEG all the time, but there really is
no camera in the LX1 class with enough horsepower for this type of
shooting.

2:37 am - Tuesday, August 22, 2006

#110 TS

Marcosan... Quality is a relative term. 6MP and JPEG does not = quality to me, but that doesn't mean it can't be great for you.

3:06 am - Tuesday, August 22, 2006

#111 Marcosan

Quality is indeed a relative term. Heck, my buddy's a pro photographer and he'll tell ya flat out that he'd never be caught using anything but a dSLR. That being said, the quality of a pic is not mere pixels, resolution, and hardware. It's usually much more about the photographer's experience and compositional skills. Hell, there's a Fuji F30 user on the dpreview forums that EVERYBODY agrees is a master of his craft and camera. His 6mp photos are astounding. Now if you're looking to blow them up to giant poster sizes.....

3:22 am - Tuesday, August 22, 2006

#112 TS

Yep, you're right! In the end, it is all about the image, and the camera is only a small part of the equation.

So, will the LX2 work for me? It would not be my main camera, but I think it would make a nice point & shoot. I also think the quality will be good enough by using the lowest ISO setting, RAW, and Noise Ninja when needed.

4:57 am - Tuesday, August 22, 2006

#113 Gunnar Dav

I see the LX2 aviliable from Hong Kong on ebay. Anyone know if this is a smart way to buy this camera?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=011&item=320017920935&rd=1&sspagename=STRK:MEWA:IT&rd=1

11:12 pm - Tuesday, August 22, 2006

#114 kirk

Marcosan, JPEG is good for snapshots, but not for an image you may want to blowup and put on the wall.

JPEG is a lossy compression that produces visible artifacts and causes data loss. Camera companies have to license JPEG, so one company does not have a better form of JPEG than another.

6:27 pm - Wednesday, August 23, 2006

#115 Marcosan

Kirk, I do indeed know what jpeg is. I also know what "lossy" compression is, mpeg, wav files, dts and dolby digital encoding are as well. Do I win a prize?

The LX2 is what I consider a "hybrid" or "bridge" camera. It's more capable than a standard compact point and shoot, but it's less capable than a dSLR. And guess what?...if you're gonna use the LX2's RAW data to blow something up (poster size) to hang on a wall or sell as artwork, I can guarantee you that the LX2 is gonna suck wind nearly as bad as any other point and shoot.
We're talking mini (not micro) ccd, not giant (by comparison) CMOS. We're talking rinky dink little piece of glass with little light gathering capability, not a giant piece of dSLR glass. Believe it or not, I DO know the difference.

Fortunately, my demands aren't much more than what a traditional compact point & shoot usually provides. I don't plan on blowing anything up to poster size or selling my pics. P&S cameras aren't meant for that...unless you're selling your photos in retirement homes. ;)

9:38 pm - Wednesday, August 23, 2006

#116 nick in japan

I gotta get in my humble opinion here fellas, Call them whatever you wish, SOME cameras in the pocketable size WILL produce images that ,do indeed, blow up to poster sized, great looking prints from JPEG images.
If you are talking wall-sized prints, then RAW is necessary, but with the noise reduction software contained in pro printers, and with a good image to start with, lottsa folks dont even bother with RAW.
From images posted to compare the LX-1 with the LX-2, thanks to "Li" in the UK for the link, the LX-2 appears to be a camera that alot of pros will carry for back-up, and personal snaps.
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/review/2006/08/22/4436.html

10:15 pm - Wednesday, August 23, 2006

#117 Marcosan

Well, since I'm no pro, and will NEVER carry a dSLR camera, the LX2 might be the ticket. Here's hoping that it works ok in dimly lit rooms, dusk, and steet lights. I'm not looking for F30-type low light performance...although it sure as heck would be nice. I just wish they'd stop pixel stuffing these cameras.

10:45 pm - Wednesday, August 23, 2006

#118 kirk

My post was meant to be helpful, since your earlier posts had some misleading and erroneous statements regarding JPEG.

I don't know why you were so offended? I am not trying to infringe on your "dolby" digital photo sales to retirement communities. I bet your cat photos are a real hit with the blue hairs!

11:45 pm - Wednesday, August 23, 2006

#119 Marcosan

Dolby Digital photo sales...I like that!
Actually, I merely used that term as another example of a codec (like jpeg, mpeg), even though it's audio related. Indeed, if there was such a thing as a DD photo, I'm sure people would buy into the technology based on the name alone.

BTW, I don't being corrected at all. What did I write that was incorrect? I was just trying to be slightly mean, not full bore. Sorry about that, chief.

Sure, you blow up ANY photo to poster size, but what size are we talking about? How many pixels? How far away is the viewing distance? Yeah, for birthday party posters and the like, a P&S camera can do ok, but would you really wanna try hanging/selling 2'x3' posters as "art"? Maybe so, but I think most pros would scoff. And most blueheads wouldn't notice. Let's lighten up.
And btw, I don't own a cat, but I've owned a pet box turtle for the last 38 yrs. I'm sure he wouldn't mind a jpeg blowup of himself in the living room. :)

12:06 am - Thursday, August 24, 2006

#120 kirk

You're funny! I got a good laugh from your reply!

I am not a pro either, and I don't plan on selling any photos. But, photography is a hobby of mine, and one day I might want to hang some photos around the house. When I travel, I don't like lugging a big camera around. Plus, the airlines might not allow carry-ons anymore. And, with street photography you want something small and inconspicuous... like the black LX2.

This camera has its niche, and there are professionals photographers using the LX1. As an example, take a look at Skip Hunt's work at http://www.poppinfreshmedia.com/moleskine.html

Don't sell it short. I bet this little digicam can produce some big results.

12:57 am - Thursday, August 24, 2006

#121 Marcosan

Kirk, trust me....I ain't about to sell it short until the reviews start coming in. I do see lots of potential if it does moderately well in lower light situations.

Apologies for my atrocious gas..er..writing. I think I left out several words in my last post...probably due to the jpeg coding on my keyboard. Should've read; "BTW, I don't MIND being corrected at all", and "Sure, you CAN blow up any photo to poser..er..poster size". My bads.
Too bad ya can't go back and edit the posts.

3:19 am - Thursday, August 24, 2006

#122 JJ

Looks like the LX2 is already out in Asia. Anyone got hold of it yet? Eagerly awaiting first impressions! Also, any updates on worldwide release date?

6:59 am - Friday, August 25, 2006

#123 skidd

Just ordered one from Japan (I'm in Europe) should have it in my sweaty palms early next week.

3:19 pm - Friday, August 25, 2006

#124 TS

Skidd, congrats! I would love to hear your opinion and see real live samples.

4:06 pm - Friday, August 25, 2006

#125 kirk

I'm jealous! Where did you order? Do you have a website?

4:09 pm - Friday, August 25, 2006

#126 skidd

Took a chance on a Jap ebayer, 99.9% feedback, I won't divulge anymore info until it arrives in working order. He's even putting the OSD in english for me...my Japanese isn't that hot ;)

$560US.

4:55 pm - Friday, August 25, 2006

#127 Chris

I put in a pre-order for this camera, but now I am having second thoughts after looking at the LX1 manual.
I have a specific question that may not be of interest to most of you:
I'll explain what I am looking for, and please add your 2 cents and tell me to keep my order or drop it.
I like the portability of a small digital camera and I don't need many frills. I could get a digital SLR, but this camera could be very convenient to pack. Here's the rub - I like doing night photography with my film camera.
Especially aurora photos, which need a long exposure, a fast lens, and a wide angle. And the LX2 fits the bill with 28mm, f2.8, and up to 60 sec exposure. I would typically do 28mm, f2.8, ISO 400 for 15 seconds on film. And I noticed in the LX1 manual that there was an automated "starry night" setting that did Dark Frame Subtraction, which is nice, but the camera was limited to ISO 80 on that setting. Way too slow. It would take 60 seconds at that setting to get a good exposure and the aurora would be a big smudge.

I can do the Dark Frame Subtraction myself via software, if I can get by with a manual setting on the LX2 and do 15-30 sec exposures and set the aperture and ISO myself, without using the "starry night" setting. But are long exposures a problem with noise on the LX2s? I know the LX1s had problems with noise in general.
Do any of you have similar experience that you can relate on the LX1. Or, is there a copy of the user's manual anywhere for the LX2 that I can examine? Anyone have experience with low light photography that can give some input?

Thanks for any input.

6:45 am - Saturday, August 26, 2006

#128 Li

Chris, I've done some night shots using lx1 - handheld and tripod. The results are good enough for me and since I don't own a SLR I have nothing to compare. I think the ideal exposure is 4 seconds at iso 80 or 100. Anything above this the picture gets very noisy and degrades badly. With lx1, you can't really use iso 200 or 400 because of the noise, but so far I've not needed them ..

If you want some samples, drop me a mail at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) and I'd be glad to send some.

7:03 am - Saturday, August 26, 2006

#129 nick in japan

skidd, that price is good, the LX-2 sells, right now for $533. USD, here in Iwakuni. As I mentioned before, I am waiting till the manager can give me a discount, any day now. The manual will be in Japanese, but the English version LX-1 manual is a download, no reason not to believe that the LX-2 manual will be along shortly!
As I have mentioned before, I am an avid user of the LX-1, and for what it's worth, I send this.. A few days ago I dropped it at the swimming hole we frequent, hard on the rocks, luckily it didn't slide in the water, but the lens housing was dented badly, preventing the articulation of the lens itself. When I got back home I called the Manager of the camera shop and he said that lens replacement would exceed $300 dollars, so, Little Joe held it firmly, and with a butter knife and a small hammer, I wacked it 3 times! presto-Chango, it worked, I ran a complete test of the system the following day and, no problems, except for a bit of "Character". I am happy to say that I believe this camera is very well-built, as I expected all sorts of internal damage too.

8:38 am - Saturday, August 26, 2006

#130 skidd

Well I know that US retailers are going to be selling them at $449 on the 30th of sept but I can't wait that long as I'm going travelling before then.

Already had the same thought about dowloading the English manual, in the mean time I'll get the LX-1 version - should get me started :)

Only worry is the warrenty is a 1-yr Japenese, not international...hey-ho...

9:17 am - Saturday, August 26, 2006

#131 Marcosan

Chris, not to slight this blog or anything, but I would post your question on the Panasonic Forum at dpreview.com. Many more folks visit those forums.

3:50 pm - Saturday, August 26, 2006

#132 GARY POGODA

Chris, you mentioned that you liked the "28mm" wide lens of the LX2.
In case it matters, the LX2 is 28mm wide only if you shoot at 16:9. If
you shoot at 4:3, for example, the wide end is actually 34mm.

4:08 pm - Saturday, August 26, 2006

#133 nick in japan

Marcosan..Dpreview doesn't know what the actual thickness of the LX is, for that reason alone, I don't visit them. I bet Mark gets it right when he reviews the LX-2!
Gary... Who shoots at 4:3 anymore? Surely not folks that use the LX!

10:17 pm - Saturday, August 26, 2006

#134 Marcosan

Nick..Dpreview reprints the specs on their specs page exactly as the manufacturer gives it to them. Hopefully, they make commentary within the body of their review if the specs significantly differ from what the manufacturer proclaims.

That being said, if you're taking issue with the claim that the LX1 was stated as 1" thick in the specs, I'd agree with your angst. The lens is big enough and protrudes enough such that the thickness (depth) should have indeed been listed as closer to 2".

It's totally your choice, but I find out lots of helpful info on their forums, but yes, they kiss a little manufacturer butt like most all of the websites...but to a lesser degree, methinks.

M

10:52 pm - Saturday, August 26, 2006

#135 nick in japan

marcosan... You are absolutely right, as usual, they have alot of useful info, for sure, and, yes, angst, is the key word here.
Reprinting what the manufacturer gives them is not a review of a camera, me thinks!
The key word here is "dis-service" to consumers.
Gotta run, Kids want to go swimming!

11:17 pm - Saturday, August 26, 2006

#136 Marcosan

In exchange for having "preview status", most of the commercial looking websites have to sign non-disclosure agreements that prevent them from altering the specs as provided them by the manufacturer. Within the body of the interview, editors are entitled to write whatever they please...especially if they wanna kill the goose that lays the egg (advertising revenue). Some websites are more willing to criticize products than others. For instance, Simon Joinson (dpreview) is generally pretty open with his criticisms and doesn't hold back as much as a LOT of other reviewers on other sites. I've written him several emails commending him for exactly that. We ALL like to know what a product's warts are, no?

Btw, the dpreview article states that the barrel of the LX1 protrudes 18mm....not really pocketable, but not huge either.

Btw, there's another popular camera resource website that mentions the warts (actually, a lot do), but I don't take it quite as seriously. After I asked the sole reviewer why he didn't review a particular brand of cameras, he said "because they're crap". After asking him if he'd ever tried one, he then said "no". Nuff said. Found out he was only 28 yrs. old. Website is quite informative nonetheless.

12:51 am - Sunday, August 27, 2006

#137 nick in japan

marcosan, thank you for that comment, I think that kinda says it all, suspicions confirmed. I will be a little less sarcastic now.
The LX is a bit big for a shirt, breast pocket, perfect for a shooter's vest pocket, or a fanny-pac that is positioned for fast access. I wear mine around my neck on a chain most of the time.
My LX-2 is on order now, best I could get it for was $488, with no tax, cash. I figure that with shipping from the States, that's about what it would cost me if I ordered one. Should have it by Thursday.
skidd, the warranty that comes with the Japanese LX-2 is NOT an International Warranty, a Japanese Warranty. Why? don't know, nor does the camera shop manager. He said that it is on a "case-by-case" matter, some cameras have an International Warranty, others, not. Sorry!

4:16 am - Sunday, August 27, 2006

#138 Marcosan

Where's the freakin' "edit" button on this site?!

"interview" should have read "review".

"Goose that lays the egg" should have read "Goose that lays the Golden Egg".

Nick, you'll be receiving the LX-2 on Thursday? Wow! A LOT of folks will be waiting with bated breath to read your comments and opinions. A LOT!

Side note: You've probably noticed a lot of folks already trashing the Panny's Venus III engine. What's funny is that many of them also assume that Panny is still doing last minute tweaking it. The fact that you're receiving yours on Thursday would be a clear indication that they've quite finished....which they probably did MONTHS ago. Can't wait for the REAL user opinions to start flowing. :)

I agree with you 100% on its size. Not shirt pocket, not bag camera, but fanny pack or vest pocket cam. To be honest, I doubt that even ultra-compacts are carried much in a pants pocket. It's really too abusive of an environment, and a high risk to the LCD. I prefer SOME kind of case for a camera, not a bare pocket.

6:54 am - Sunday, August 27, 2006

#139 nick in japan

OOPS! Why does dpreview state that the LX-2 uses the X-card? That's #2!

7:06 am - Sunday, August 27, 2006

#140 nick in japan

Marcosan, the 100 yen shops here, you probably have them as $1.00 stores in the States, I guess, I haven't been there since '94, have gobs of little nylon, zippered cases with a foamy lining . I use them , as well as cases that are velcro closed, kinda like a large cell-phone case, GREAT for the small cameras, either attached to the strap of your camera bag, belt or just as a cover.
I usually do all my B/W conversion in Photoshop, better try it with the LX-1 so I can compare images for you, nothing like a nice Black and White every once in a while!!
Got a nice one today!

7:18 am - Sunday, August 27, 2006

#141 Marcosan

Yeah, that's the type of case I'm thinking of.

As far as the review sites having typographical errors, burps, and farts, they ALL have them. Obviously, they meant xD cards. You'd think that they'd buck up for a proof reader, but noooooooo, they think they can do it themselves. Actually, it often looks as if NOBODY proof reads the reviews. Maybe the ad revenue isn't as high as we think... :)

7:24 am - Sunday, August 27, 2006

#142 nick in japan

If they meant xD, then that is #3, The LX series uses the SD cards, and looks like up to 4Gig with the LX-2, I like 512s!
E-mail me and I'll show you some recent stuff.

7:34 am - Sunday, August 27, 2006

#143 Marcosan

When I start confusing the Fuji F30 with the LX-2, it means it's past my bed time.
My bad. Back to two errors. :)

g'night

7:42 am - Sunday, August 27, 2006

#144 skidd

Hi Nick, Yea I know - bit of a pain about the warrenty ah well...if it breaks i'll drop it down the stairs and claim on contents insurance. Butterfingers!

Gotta be some downside to getting one early! Its on a plane from Japan now...fly faster!! :D

10:47 am - Sunday, August 27, 2006

#145 nick in japan

Skidd, that is probably the smartest thing, homeowner's insurance will cover things that happen at home, or, as I found out personally, if things are stolen from your car while away, ensure a police report is filed before contacting the insurance company.
I will be happy to assist you if you find that the camera is obviously defective, and needs to be sent to the company. Hopefully the camera will have an "Open" warranty card, therefore you will have extended coverage, within reason.
Contact me personally if you need assistance.

11:24 am - Sunday, August 27, 2006

#146 Shamas

Hi all good thread and will follow this in the hope of seeing someones report on what they think of it when they have used it. Has anyone thought about or discussed the merits of the RP-SDR04G extended memory?

12:58 pm - Sunday, August 27, 2006

#147 sambcn

Hi you all!Writing from Spain. I've been following all your comments not so long ago. I'm waiting next Lx2 comming out here and hope anxiously to read some of your "more-experienced" reports before.I consider to buy a compact camera this kind and lx2 is my favourite so far.

I'm not an expert in photography terms but I like to begin experimenting with cameras with manual controls such as this one or canon s80 for example; reflex will arrive some time later...or not...

One question for those who have the lx1: Is there a lot of diference in the 16:9 28mm wide and the 32mm (i think)in the 2:3 mode?

Or once you begin shotting in 16:9, do you mostly shot in that mode and later cut the pic with the camera in case you want a more standard size?

I'm asking that cause in an hipotetic before-having that camera view, I don't know how much I'll use the 16:9 cause I still don't know where to print here that non-standard sizes.At least, I can cut the borders of the pics if I use another standard size of course...

Here you have a link of a spanish website which made a video and some comments of a pre-definitive Lx-2 last month.Hope you like it!!!

http://www.quesabesde.com/camaras-digitales/camaras/panasonic-lumix-dmc-lx2-videos,2166.html

Keep in touch, guys!

5:41 pm - Sunday, August 27, 2006

#148 Gunnar Dav

Those of you who have bought the camera, where did you buy? That is wich ebay seller or internet shop? How much did you pay? Regards Gunnar

7:39 pm - Sunday, August 27, 2006

#149 nick in japan

The Spanish website wouldnt open for me, but, I would like to comment on a couple things mentioned. The old APS film printing option of , what they call here in Japan, "High Vision" closely approximates the size of the 16x9 size. Please try and locate a camera shop/ lab that does the APS film printintg and apply it to the LX digital images. The only other option would be to print with instructions to print at 100% and that will leave you portions to trim/crop off. When I started printing I had them print on a "KG" sized (4x6) and at 100%, them I cut off the sides, later I found out the APS "High Vision" option and use it all the time.
The LX gives you the 3 size options, everyone has their own ways to shoot, some switching between the options, myself, the 16x9 option gives me the latitude to capture as much as I possibly can, it is a wonderful view, then, I have the option in Photoshop to trim anyway I like. Sometimes I like to trim to a square image, much like the old Hasselblad images. The subject matter, and exactly what kind of feeling you want to display will determine what you do, 16x9 gives you the most pixels and view to work with, why limit yourself?
And, yes , there is a noticable diference between 28mm and 32mm, at least to me. In some pictures that difference may not matter, on a space confined shot, every mm makes a difference, I LOVE 28mm,work with correcting the horizontals/verticals as a matter-of-fact, but consider it a requirement for any photographer.
Any lens wider than normal view will distort the image somewhat, some lenses are better than others.
I consider 40-60mm about normal view, thats why I get upset when manufacturers tout the 38mm as a "wide angle view", it is almost normal as far as I'm concerned!
Good shooting to to!

11:02 pm - Sunday, August 27, 2006

#150 nick in japan

That should read.. Good shooting to YOU!

11:05 pm - Sunday, August 27, 2006

#151 JJ

A link to LX2 manual thanks to a poster on DPreview forum.

http://panasonic.com.au/content/library/files/F001801.pdf

1:35 pm - Monday, August 28, 2006

#152 perry

For you looking for the LX2, I just bought one at the following link. They claim they have a big shipment of the Black body. I got sucked in and bought as I leave for my first European vacation and want to bring this highly touted camera. I paid the listed $451 US and will wait anxiously by the door to see if they really will ship it?!!
http://www.prestigecamera.com/product~id~psdmclx2k.htm

3:12 pm - Monday, August 28, 2006

#153 newmie

GL Perry, that place has 670 good reviews and 435 bad ones 60/40

BTW whats with the $131.00 difference between black and silver ??

6:20 pm - Monday, August 28, 2006

#154 j

I just called Prestige Camera; they claimed that the camera was not only in stock, but that it ships within 24 hours *and* with a one-year USA warranty. I asked if it was, by any chance, grey market, but the CSR swore it was legitimately for-sale in the US and that the warranty is Panasonic. Hmmm...too good to be true, right?

10:11 pm - Monday, August 28, 2006

#155 nick in japan

newmie, Suppy and demand, most folks want the black body, IMHO, so they make more black bodies and sell them at a higher price, it's all about $.
Does anyone know why the LX series is not available in Canada, at least the Northwest?

10:30 pm - Monday, August 28, 2006

#156 newmie

Nick - I hear ya, but its the black body that their selling for 131.00 less.....


" so they make more black bodies and sell them at a higher price, it's all about $."

I think you meant "low" supply/high demand = $$

11:50 pm - Monday, August 28, 2006

#157 Marcosan

If it were an Ebay seller, NOBODY would buy from them if they only had a 60% positive rating. Buyer beware.

That being said, we wish you the best of luck, Perry. You KNOW we're dying to hear about your experience with both the seller and the camera.

Regards

12:43 am - Tuesday, August 29, 2006

#158 Shamas

Hi Nick: you propably are aware but My Girlfriend found the Following Japan Link - Silver $430'ish. If I remember the Forign Models ship with All languages in the Camera but a regional Users Manual. So would have to Download an English one in my case. Have you Recieved yours Yet and if so what do you think please?? http://kakaku.com/prdsearch/detail.asp?prdkey=00501911010

1:28 am - Tuesday, August 29, 2006

#159 Marcosan

To me, the black LX2 looks like a pro model, and the silver, a consumer model.

If the black actually turns out to be cheaper, I don't think "I'd" complain a whole lot.
:)

2:36 am - Tuesday, August 29, 2006

#160 nick in japan

The yen rate today is 117, that means , with the bank charging 3 yen per dollar, or yen is 114. 00 yen @114 is $452, I will show this link to my camera shop manager and see what he says, If you can get an LX-2 in Japan for that price I think you are lucky!
No thanks for a silver body, we all have our likes and dislikes, Black Bodied cameras have traditionally been higher in price than a silver model, trends have changed I guess, a cheaper Black bodied camera is worth more to THIS shooter.
The theory is that when you point a black camera at a person they feel less intimidated, it is a less obvious intrusion in their lives.
Seems like a thread not long ago was talking about the unavailability of Black LX-1s...?

5:06 am - Tuesday, August 29, 2006

#161 JJ

Hi Nick. Do you happen to know any Japanese online shops that would have English language site? I am trying to order LX2 from Japan as the fastest way of getting this gem, but struggle to complete the order in Japanese. Thank you for any information you may have.

6:26 am - Tuesday, August 29, 2006

#162 Marcosan

"When you point a black camera at a person, they feel less intimidated."

Yes, and here in the USA, if you point a black camera at a cop, you'll be eating a McBullet.

"Ooops, we thought it was a gun...snicker snicker."

6:41 am - Tuesday, August 29, 2006

#163 skidd

Thanks for the manual linky JJ, that'll come in handy - although it doesn't seem to work.

My LX2 arrived on English shores last night, I'm only 20 miles from LHR so might receive it today.

Skidd,

7:33 am - Tuesday, August 29, 2006

#164 nick in japan

Skidd, can you help JJ out?
Sorry JJ, I never order on-line, don't like doing business with unknown folks. Comment #154 may be helpful to you.
Thanks also JJ for the manual, it is slow to boot-up, click the right side column to activate a page, a great guide, gotta get reading!

7:44 am - Tuesday, August 29, 2006

#165 JJ

I checked ratings on Prestige Camera and they came out pretty poor. Not to say they are complete crooks, but I can imagine that ordering from Kazakhstan may become a real pain with these folks. I would appreciate any help on how to securely get the camera earlier than from bhphotovideo (end of sept).

7:58 am - Tuesday, August 29, 2006

#166 nick in japan

Where is Prestige located?
B&H is a dependable outfit, BUT, they have so much business that you may possibly get backorderd as a reply. My friend, an authorized Indy 500 photographer, while stationed here in Iwakuni , did lottsa big-bucks business with them and NEVER had a problem, nor complaint!

8:07 am - Tuesday, August 29, 2006

#167 skidd

Guess what was sat on my dest when I arrived in the office this morning :D

Got it, but the battery is flat and the charger doesn't come with a lead (charger is designed to plug straight into a US style socket). Down to the local shop at lunchtime methinks. I take it the batteries are the same as the LX-1 version, it's a DMW-BCC12 1150 mAh variety.

OK, I ordered from an ebay trader called matsuiyastore. He's available crom ebay.co.uk, 99.9% +ve feedback. Prices have dropped already. I ordered on Friday, he dispatched on Sat and it arrived today (tues). I'd highly recommend him.

Skidd.

8:37 am - Tuesday, August 29, 2006

#168 nick in japan

Thanks Skidd! battery IS the same! Good news! Millions of folks are awaiting your feelings about " The son of a classic"!

8:48 am - Tuesday, August 29, 2006

#169 skidd

No problem, apologies for the typos, I seem to be like a child at christmas :).

I'll try and get it powered up for later, if there are any specifics that people want testing let me know - personally I'm interested in the low light, high ISO performance.

Better get some work done... :)

Skidd.

8:52 am - Tuesday, August 29, 2006

#170 nick in japan

Thank you Skidd, I'll be looking at the movie mode real close, not only for my new interest in the quality of movies these cameras have,compared to the Sony F828, but for "li" in London, he is an avid movie maker and a great photographer, presently using the LX-1. His suggestion to try the "Warm" mode in my movies has made a big difference.

9:45 am - Tuesday, August 29, 2006

#171 JJ

Prestige must be located in the States. What I meant was that I am located in Kazakhstan. I will try to order from the same ebayer Skidd did, thanks for the reference.

11:04 am - Tuesday, August 29, 2006

#172 owen c

skidd, i'm also extremely interested in the low light / high iso performance of the lx2. i wanted to buy an lx1, but after testing it, found that even iso200 was pretty poor and iso400 practically unusable. i'm really hoping that they've improved things considerably with the lx2, but have a sinking feeling - the mutterings one hears aren't particularly positive. if it's poor again, then i'll probably go for the samsung nv7 or nv10. i'd love to go for the lx2, but as i'll take it to social occasions (parties / bars etc) as well as trying to be arty, low light performance similar to the lx1 will rule it out for me :-( i'm curious to see how well the optical image stabilisation works, too, on the lx2 ... or is there no change there?

1:34 pm - Tuesday, August 29, 2006

#173 GARY POGODA

Finally, a voice of reason. The likelihood, Owen, is that the LX2's CCD
will be just as noisy as the LX1, if not slightly noisier due to its smaller
pixel size. But it's not my opinion that matters. As with any new digital
camera, you should wait for the reviews from trusted sites like this one
and others before deciding whether to buy. That is, unless you just do
not care, and want one regardless of its image quality.

2:24 pm - Tuesday, August 29, 2006

#174 Skip Hunt

Someone posted one of my weblogs with photos as examples of an LX1 user.

If you go to this link http://www.poppinfreshmedia.com/lx1v12/ you'll see galleries of mine representing the first 12 shooting days I spent with the LX1. You'll have to click the little links to the top left for the other days, AND a little video I made with the LX1.

If you want to see how the LX1 performed as a travel camera... I took it with me for a Mexican Motorcycle odyssey. Go here http://www.poppinfreshmedia.com/skipmexmc.html and all the images, galleries, and video clips from 2006 were shot with an LX1.

2:50 pm - Tuesday, August 29, 2006

#175 TS

Skip, thanks for the links! Your images are great!!!

As a professional using the LX1, what do you think of the camera (pros and cons), and do you have any thoughts regarding the noise issues? Are you planning on getting the LX2?

3:29 pm - Tuesday, August 29, 2006

#176 Skip Hunt

@175

Thanks!

I've used this camera for almost a year now, shot thousands of photos, sold stock images shot with it, shot commercial shoots with it (http://www.brennan.com), and traveled with it extensively.

I love the LX1. It's a stout robust camera, plenty of manual control, and I love the quality of the Leica lens.

Will I get an LX2? I'll have to wait and see. The resolution of the LX1 has been fine for me so I wouldn't upgrade just for a couple more MP of res. If Panasonic had added a pc-sync port, a port for an external mic, and a threaded lens.. I'd definately upgrade. As it stands, the only improvement I'm interested in is possibly lower noise at higher ISOs. At 80ISO it's nearly perfect. It's tolerable at 200ISO.. but I rarely even bother with 400ISO unless I creatively WANT tons of noise. If the LX2 can produce nearly noise-free images at at least 400ISO, I might upgrade. Otherwise, I'll likely just wait until my LX1 dies. And, or wait until the reviews and sample images start coming in.

3:47 pm - Tuesday, August 29, 2006

#177 TS

Skip, thanks for the feedback! So, do you shoot JPEG exclusively, or RAW?

I have been sitting on the fence, wondering whether or not to buy the LX2. Since I admire your work, your positive comments have helped me decide. I am going to pre-order the LX2 from B&H.

4:29 pm - Tuesday, August 29, 2006

#178 Skip Hunt

@177 No worries! And thanks for the compliments.

I always shoot RAW. Although 9 times out of ten, the jpeg companion image is just fine. I just have the RAW in case I want to pull in a bit more detail from the highlights and or shadows. The file sizes are really large though, i.e 17MB.. so, do yourself a favor and buy a fast 2GB SD card. Fast is key as well if you're shooting RAW. I'm using a 150x 2GB card and an 80x 1GB card.. though, the speed difference is only marginal. Just don't get a slow card like the one that comes with it. It's painfully slow writing RAW files. I never notice the speed with the faster cards.

Since I haven't shot an LX2 yet.. all I can say is that if you're looking for a compact camera with a great lens, and wonderful manual control.. and if the LX2 is as good as the LX1 has been.. you won't be disappointed.

That being said.. I wouldn't buy either as a "party" camera.. or, a camera for the average auto snapshots... for that sort of stuff, I think the Canon point and shoots are better. But for loads of artistic control, in a small package, with a great lens, and slick build quality.. I don't think there's a better digicam than the Panasonic... at least, not to MY eye. ;-)

Also, it's a bit subjective too... I'm "old-school" where using a little "grain" or "noise" every now and then was a desired creative choice. If you're one of those who doesn't give flip about final aesthetics, and just likes examining pixels.. then pick another digicam as well. But if you're like me, and don't give a rat's tuckus about the technology.. and just want an artistic tool to help you achieve your artistic vision.. then the Panasonic is certainly the cat's meow. IMO.

4:44 pm - Tuesday, August 29, 2006

#179 Marcosan

Skip said;

"I wouldn't buy either as a "party" camera.. or, a camera for the average auto snapshots..."

That is a bummer to hear, because that's what I was primarily looking to use the camera for...an all-purpose camera.

What is it (in order of importance) that you don't feel lends itself to party and casual snapshot shooting?

Is it the size?

Low light capability?...I suppose I could use the flash in a dark bar, but can it take decent pics in a regular lit restaurant?

Is it the noise, and the fact that it must always be post-processed?

Inquiring minds wanna know! :)

Other cameras on my "potentials" list are:

Fuji F30
Sony T30
Canon SD700 IS
Ricoh R5

Even though all these cameras have their strengths and weaknesses, I am indeed looking for a good all-arounder.

Thanks for your comments, Skip. It will be a shame to give up on the LX2. :(

5:03 pm - Tuesday, August 29, 2006

#180 Skip Hunt

@179 Jeez! I guess I gotta quantify/qualify all my statements.

The LX1 can produce nice party pix as well. It's just that it's ISO400 is lacking, ie. loads of noise. If you shoot ISO80 or 200 you'll mostly be flash-lit with little ambient light. I prefer to mix ambient with flash in those situations.

I meant that if you're looking for a camera that you can just flip on, point and shoot, and most of the time get good results without having to so post-processing.. then there are digicams better suited for that. With the LX1 you have to at least have a vague idea of what you're doing in order to get great results. But for mostly party pix, I'd still say go with a cam that at least gives you good results at 400ISO or better. The LX2 very well might perform just fine at higher ISOs, but I can't speak from experience. All I can say is the LX1 isn't the best tool for low-lit party pix photography. At least, not for me.

5:14 pm - Tuesday, August 29, 2006

#181 Skip Hunt

Also, I won't comment on cameras I haven't actually used myself. My comments are based on the LX1 alone. I've used some little Canon's before that were impressive as well.. but for my needs the LX1 fits perfectly.

Too many yahoos out there in photo blogs and forums commenting on cameras they haven't even used yet, or even seen in person. And many of these same yahoos don't even seem to have any aesthetic taste IMO. I won't do that. The LX1 is a great compact artistic tool that can produce very nice images, hi-quality images if you know how to use it. Can't comment on the LX2 or any other cam until I've actually used one myself.

If possible, buy the LX2 from a store with a lenient return policy. If you don't like it, take it back and try something else. That's what I did with the LX1... but, after only the first 20mins with it, I knew if was perfect for my needs. Might not be for yours. Only you can answer that.

Don't get too wrapped up in all the ill-informed and inexperienced banter that goes on in blogs and forums.. most of it's pretty useless unless you know the person has actually used the camera and can prove it with their own images as I've done.

5:21 pm - Tuesday, August 29, 2006

#182 Marcosan

Skip, THANKS for the qualification, quantification, and your patience to answer inane questions. Much appreciated, especially since I'm a relative newbie.

As suspected, the magic ISO number is around 400. Fuji can do a pretty decent 800 from what I've heard, and many of the smaller digicams are now approaching a solid 200 ISO. What that says to me is that Fuji is probably close to two stops ahead of the competition when it comes to noise. Of course, one can get around this somewhat by image stabilization, but that doesn't really address the crux of the problem, now does it....

I'm guessing that when pocket cams can do a "solid" 400 ISO, Fuji will get nervous, but since Fuji's a one trick pony, I'm not tremendously interested. Boy, I wish that Panny had kept the LX2's mp count where it was. I'm still looking forward to reading upcoming LX2 reviews, but I'm not holding my breath about 400 ISO. I WILL be quite annoyed if the 200 ISO isn't the cat's meow.

Thanks again. :)

Marcosan

5:42 pm - Tuesday, August 29, 2006

#183 TS

Skip, thanks for all the extra info! Panasonic should give you a new LX2!

I hope everyone here takes the opportunity to visit your site and enjoy your great work!

6:07 pm - Tuesday, August 29, 2006

#184 Skidd

Had a quick play (no pics, no time); noise is still a problem as expected. I personally wouldn't go over 400 execpt for creative reasons, even 400 is sketchy. Low light at ISO100 isn't perfect either but workable.

You can really see the Venus chip working hard at the high ISOs, zooming in you can see the tell-tale noise reduction smudge.

Strangle at low light the LCD seems to refresh really slowly, with significant lag. In light environments it is very impressive, very clear, very fast. The 16:9 aspect really improves things.

Dropped a Sandisk Ultra III into it and shot some RAW and write speed was fine, nothing to compare to but I imagine its only a problem for burst shooting.

Prety much what people (including myself!) expected, no silver bullet. But never the less a nice piece of kit surroundings permitting.

7:31 pm - Tuesday, August 29, 2006

#185 nick in japan

Skip Hunt, Wonderful images, wonderful narrative, wonderful site! It is obvious to us all that you love the 16x9 format, and that you know what you are talking about. It is very refreshing to me, a proud user/owner of the LX-1s, to hear positve feedback.
Your bike tour is a dream alot of us only dream about, thank you for your gracious sharing and real feelings . I can't wait to find time to view all your submissions.
I think your explanations of the right camera for certain folks is pretty "Right-On". The LX series isn't for everyone, folks that take an ocassional party picture, or really arn't into taking many pictures at all, are best off borrowing a family member's camera. I have always believed the LX-1 was a cameraman's camera, and continue to do so on , almost, a daily basis.
From what I have seen, improvements HAVE been made to the level of getting the LX-2, now the current user, with a bit of "Character" will become the back-up!
Keep the comments coming, we really appreciate it. I think I speak for alot of the devoted members of Mark's GREAT Blog!
Semper Fi!

11:08 pm - Tuesday, August 29, 2006

#186 owen c

why can't they make a sensor with lower noise ... :-( i had a play with a samsung nv10 today ... noise was certainly pretty low at high iso's, the camera is beautiful and the menu / interface really innovative, but manual options are distinctly limited. if noise is as bad as skipp says, i guess it'll probably be the nv7 for me .... maybe by the time they release the lx3 they'll finally have done something with the sensor. have you tried the high sensitivity mode yet, skidd? i was wondering if due to the reduced resolution, noise might not be such an issue?

11:49 pm - Tuesday, August 29, 2006

#187 Shamas

To Skip Hunt - I am a newbe and I will take the LX2. Why? It will grow with me. What you have done on that site is simply amazing - the colour are stunning ! I don't expect to get to that level in the 1st year but it will allow me to in the furure. One thing thar really sold me is the Movie clips you placed together. I have been using a older very small panasonic 'Japan' sold unit and it was completely inferior to what you have at http://www.poppinfreshmedia.com/skipmexmc.html Thankyou, Please: what size card(s) do you use ; and are there any accessories that you consider a must have..... Thank you again.

7:15 am - Wednesday, August 30, 2006

#188 nick in japan

I'm not much of a movie guy, a few now and then, but something that folks that are considering the LX cameras as a tool for their photographic pleasures should consider is that the Quick Time Movie it produces can be "Paused" and the picture captured with ScreenHunter 4.
I can't do that with Windows Media Player!
Both Quick Time 7, and Screenhunter 4 are free downloads.

7:56 am - Wednesday, August 30, 2006

#189 TS

Shamas, in an earlier post Skip talked about cards. Here's what he said:

"do yourself a favor and buy a fast 2GB SD card. Fast is key as well if you're shooting RAW. I'm using a 150x 2GB card and an 80x 1GB card"

3:40 pm - Wednesday, August 30, 2006

#190 skidd

Yea, the fast Sandisk ones work well as long as you don't get a knock-off imatation (ebays' a no-no).

Annoyingly, irrespective of SD write speed, bracketing is disabled if you select RAW quality despite the fact that writing the 19.5meg raws in 10Mp mode takes less than a second to write on my cards (although it lets you use an exposure of upto 1sec - go figure) Bit of a bummer if you want to shoot high quality HDR shots.

4:17 pm - Wednesday, August 30, 2006

#191 AA

@ 188

You need an extra piece of software to capture frame by frame out of Quicktime in Windows?

I use a Mac. All we need to do that in Mac is to copy & paste the paused frame in to Preview, and then save. As Simple as that.

I've been doing that with all my movie clip files, making interesting frame by frame galleries.

5:56 pm - Wednesday, August 30, 2006

#192 nick in japan

Gotta plead ignorance here, I'm not computer smart at all, mostly self taught.
The Vaio's are Windows based and I capture screens only with the Screenhunter 4 Free, an old free download. Maybe there is some capture program like your Mac provides in Windows,I really don't know, I'm happy with this program and use it alot, BUT, it never was able to capture a Movie frame until Quicktime. If I open a movie in Quicktime, I can also capture that too, it doesn't have to be Quicktime generated. A movie that is labled "Movie/Video File" doesn't open in Quicktime, therefore I can't capture it's frames.

10:28 pm - Wednesday, August 30, 2006

#193 kirk

So, are there any new Photokina camera announcements of interest?

I noticed Canon just removed some cameras from their website. In the midrange, only three remain, and last week there were seven. Still listed are the PowerShot G6, S3, and S80. It looks like they are getting ready to announce a new G7, S90, and a Pro 2.

The S90 could compete nicely with the Panasonic LX2. And an update to the PowerShot Pro 1 with the wonderful L Seriers lens would be exciting.

3:54 pm - Thursday, August 31, 2006

#194 zymonk

The Photokina news that I am most eagerly awaiting is from Leica. Rumor has it that we will finally get a digital M. I sure hope so. Also if Leica rebrands the LX2 it will probably be announced there. If they do, I wonder if a black version will be an option.

6:09 pm - Thursday, August 31, 2006

#195 ali

Why the flash is in the hidden box and jumps out with mechanical force that consumes battery? Why not like canon powershot s80 they could simply put the flash on the surface...!
But any way I loved that they have 800x600 video with 30fps!! Just I wish it would be mpeg4 so that it would more compact. sigh

8:55 pm - Thursday, August 31, 2006

#196 AA

"Why the flash is in the hidden box and jumps out with mechanical force that consumes battery? Why not like canon powershot s80 they could simply put the flash on the surface..."

Without the pop-up, the flash would be too close to the lens and will not have enough reach-over, casting a shadow, especially if you happen to be on the wider end of it.
You could also simply pop it up manually using your finger on the switch.

9:17 pm - Thursday, August 31, 2006

#197 Li

In windows, you just need to press PrtSc to capture the screen (Alt+PrtSc to capture the top window) and then paste into Paint. Once its there, you can then crop and save the picture.

Ali, the flash in LX1/2 is spring loaded and so doesn't use battery power. And the video is 848x480 @ 30 fps. LX2 has an additional mode of 1280x720 @ 15 fps.

9:21 pm - Thursday, August 31, 2006

#198 nick in japan

Thanks li! I think Screenhunter 4 Free is a bit easier, drag to crop, auto save to folder of choice, works for me, maybe less steps.
I'll be sending you images from the new LX-2 , probably Sunday afternoon, pick it up tomorrow 1000hrs, Weather may clear , so Kids want to go swimming again.
Thanks again!

10:38 pm - Thursday, August 31, 2006

#199 Sunny

Wow, I just stumbled on this cool thread, with a definite interest in picking up the LX2.

My situation is that of an avid Canon Powershot user for several years, moving from the S110 to S330 to S50 to S80 (the best compact camera I've owned so far) to SD700IS and wanting to go back to an S80. Unfortunately, and what confounds the mind, is that Canon has discontinued the highly regarded S80 line completely, with no replacement in sight. I had to send the S80, which I had for only 2 months, to the warranty shop and was told it got dismantled and destroyed :(

I kept the SD700IS for about a week, until I realized how much I miss the 28mm lens, 8+ megapixels and nice manual controls. With the idea that Canon won't replace the S80, I researched other alternatives and found about the DMC-LX1 and the upcoming LX2. I'd love to hear what you guys find in the LX2.

Since I'm sorta over the S80 now, I'm looking forward to getting what should be the best all-around compact digital camera.

9:15 am - Friday, September 1, 2006

#200 nick in japan

Sunny, The "best all-around camera" cannot be found here, camera information and opinions, some founded on facts, yes, but only you will have to make that agonizing decision. Some of us here are biased i'm sure, some of us are overly critical, please keep an open mind, and, read, read, read all you can before you decide.
I enjoyed your expounding about your old Canon, they do become a big part of our lives, especially when one has a good 28mm lens!
Gary Pogoda did alot of research about alot of cameras, especially attracted to the Canons, you may want to send him some pointed questions in his column, he WILL help you, I'm sure!

9:31 am - Friday, September 1, 2006