Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX2

July 19, 2006 | Mark Goldstein | Digital Compact Cameras | 481 Comments |

Panasonic LUMIX DMC-LX2Panasonic Press Release

Panasonic today introduced the Lumix DMC-LX2, successor to the DMC-LX1, which has received high acclaim worldwide for its unique 16:9 wide CCD, plentiful functions, and smart design. The Panasonic DMC-LX2 inherits the f/2.8 28mm wide angle LEICA DC lens, 4x optical zoom (equivalent to 28mm to 112mm on a 35mm film camera) and MEGA O.I.S.(Optical Image Stabilizer) system in addition to an enhanced CCD capable of 10.2-megapixels and larger 2.8 16:9 wide LCD. The Panasonic DMC-LX2 is unique in that it incorporates triple-wide features of 28 mm wide angle LEICA DC lens, 16:9 wide CCD and 16:9 wide LCD. Not only that, the L X2 is further distinguished from other cameras by its full manual controllability with a joystick allowing users to easily enjoy creative shooting. The DMC-LX2 also boasts Venus Engine III high performance image processing LSI to dramatically reduce the noise that challenged the predecessor, realizing image recording at max. ISO 1600 high sensitivity setting at full resolution.

To fight against the major cause of blurred images, Panasonic invented the MEGA O.I.S. system taking advantage of its superior lens technology to compensate for handshake  a feature which has long been incorporated into the LUMIX range of cameras. In addition, to also compensate for the other major cause of blurred images  movement of the subject  the LX2 is also equipped with the worlds first* Intelligent ISO Control (hereafter I.I.C.) within the advanced image processing LSI Venus Engine III. When set to the I.I.C., the Venus Engine III detects the subjects movement and adjusts the ISO setting and shutter speed to best suit the subject movement and the light conditionautomatically. Panasonics excellent image stabilizing system allows users to take clear, crisp images in any situation automatically, leaving everything to the camera.

The LUMIX LX series are distinct from other compact cameras in the way they feature extensive manual controls including manual focus and manual exposure which can be smoothly operated with a joystick. This joystick further provides operation shortcuts to the frequently used settings including white balance, ISO, image size, compression format, light metering and AF mode by simply pressing and holding it. It also allows exposure compensation and selection of one out of nine focusing areas.

The aspect ratio is easily selectable between 16:9 wide, 3:2 and conventional 4:3 with a switch located on top of the lens barrel to shoot in the framing aspect that best suits the subjects composition or images purpose of use. In addition, the DMC-LX2 is capable of recording wide 16:9 high definition (1280 x 720) motion image at 15 fps.

The other features that elevate the DMC-LX2 is the incorporation of 13 MB of built-in memory while the battery life is extended up to 300 pictures* on one charging, not to let you miss those great spur-of-the-moment shots. A print mode has been added to the mode dial so that you can print the images quickly and bundled software allows users to edit and develop RAW files.

The unique 16:9 wide CCD and 28mm wide angle LEICA DC lens provide a unique view of the world and which is refined by the Panasonics excellent image stabilizing systems of MEGA O.I.S., the high sensitivity recording and the I.I.C.

The LUMIX DMC-LX2 is like no other compact camera, enabling both high-end amateurs and entry-level users to explore the creativeness that surely enhances the joy of shooting.

* Based on the CIPA standard.

1.10.2-megapixel 16:9 aspect CCD and f/2.8 28mm wide angle 4x optical zoom LEICA DC Lens

The DMC-LX2 features a 10.2-megapixel 16:9 aspect CCD and f/2.8 4x optical zoom 28mm wide angle* (equivalent to 28 mm to 112 mm on a 35 mm film camera) LEICA DC VARIO-ELMARIT lens. Incorporating three aspherical lenses provides high optical performance while preserving the compactness of the unit. The aspect ratio can be easily selected between 16:9 or 3:2 in addition to the conventional 4:3 with a switch on the lens barrel on a shot-by-shot-basis to best suit the composition of the image. Even after shooting, the 16:9 ratio can be converted to 3:2 or 4:3 with the camera according to your purpose of use.

The Extra Optical Zoom, made possible by using the center part of 10.2-megapixel high resolution CCD, further extends the zoom ratio to 5.5x for 5-megapixel image recording in 16:9 aspect with minimal deterioration.

* In 16:9 aspect ratio.

2. More than just a MEGA O.I.S., LUMIXs image stabilizing system further evolves
Taking advantage of its superior lens technology, Panasonic invented the MEGA O.I.S.(Optical Image Stabilizer) to fight against the major cause of blurred images. It compensates for handshake and is now featured on the entire LUMIX range, and having been highly evaluated and appreciated by the users across the world. Every slight hand-shake movement is detected accurately with the sampling frequency at 4,000 times per second and will be compensated to render clear, sharp images. In addition, movement of the subject, the other major cause of blurred images, is suppressed by the advanced image processing LSI Venus Engine III with the Intelligent ISO Control (hereafter I.I.C.) and max.ISO1600 high sensitivity recording capabilities. The worlds first incorporation* of this I.I.C. allows the automatic adjustment of the suitable ISO setting and shutter speed that best suits the situation by analyzing the speed of subject movement. If the subject is moving, the ISO setting would automatically rise to allow high shutter speed. On the other hand, if the subject is still and no movement is detected, you can take beautiful natural images with a low ISO setting.

?Accordingly the new LUMIX automatically takes the best countermeasures against any causes of blurred images with MEGA O.I.S. compensating for hand-shake and the I.I.C. compensating for movement of the subject. Image stabilizing system is further evolving with LUMIX.

*For a digital still camera, as of July 19, 2006.

3. Dramatically reduced noise with Venus Engine III
The DMC-LX2 adopts the Venus Engine III to realize high sensitivity recording at max. ISO 1600 at full resolution. The noise reduction system is greatly improved by removing noise at the processing stages in series. First, critical noise is roughly undraped and the chromatic noise and the luminance noise are separated to respectively go through the supplemental noise reduction process so that the remaining noise is appropriately minimised.

Despite the significantly increased performance of the camera, the Venus Engine III consumes only 80% of the power utilized by the Venus Engine II and is able to achieve a longer battery life of 300 pictures (CIPA) on a single charge. With its multi-task image processing capability, the Venus Engine III also boasts outstanding response time with a shutter release time lag of as short as 0.009 sec*. minimum and the shutter interval of 0.6 sec*. The DMC-LX2 enables easy capture of those spur-of-the-moment shots. The DMC-LX2 also allows unlimited consecutive shooting up to the capacity of the SD/SDHC memory card**.

* Not including the time for AF.
**The number of recordable pictures depends on the memory card size, battery life, picture size and image compression.

4.Joystick-operated intuitive full manual control
The easy-to-use joystick operation and good design, which were part of the highly acclaimed trademarks of the predecessor, are inherited by the DMC-LX2. The joystick was incorporated to facilitate operational ease and thereby get the best technical advantage of the multitude of functions offered by the camera.  With the joystick it is possible to set focus and exposure manually, and also quickly shortcut to frequently used variables by just pressing and holding the joystick even while monitoring a subject on the LCD. The predecessor LX1 contained white balance adjustment, ISO setting, image size setting and compression format in its shortcut menu, and the light metering and AF mode settings are now added for the new LX2. It also allows the exposure compensation and selection of one out of nine focusing areas.

A switch on the side of the lens barrel lets you quickly change the focus mode between MF, AF or Macro AF. When you focus in the Manual Focus mode, not only the focus distance but also the DOF (depth of field) according to the zoom range and aperture is displayed. An MF assist function enlarges the center of the image to make focusing easier. The focusing area can be enlarged up to 4x and is movable, which also contributes to easy and comfortable manual focusing.?

5.Crystal-clear, large 16:9 wide 2.8-inch LCD
To express the best of the extensive 16:9 wide image recording, a 2.8 wide and large 207 k high resolution LCD is newly equipped. The pixel mixed readout method performed at the CCD achieves high sensitivity to offer sufficient brightness for easy shooting even in low-lit situations.  The Power LCD function boosts the brightness level by 40% to secure clear view even in sunny outdoors.

The High Angle mode makes the display extremely easy to view from low angles, for example, when holding the camera up high to take pictures over a crowd and can be accessed easily and quickly by using the dedicated button.

6.  High definition 16:9 wide motion image recording
The DMC-LX2 is capable of recording the 4:3 VGA(640 x 480) and 16:9 wide VGA(848 x 480) motion image recording at 30 fps. Shooting is one thing but viewing is another, and you will be suitably impressed by the 16:9 moving image when it is displayed on a wide screen TV. In addition, the LX2 can record motion images even in high definition (1280 x 720) format at 15 fps. The pixel mixed readout method assists the bright motion image recording even in low lit situation.

7.  Faster AF
The AF mode can be selected according to the shooting situation: 9-point, 3-point high speed, 1-point high speed, 1-point normal speed and Spot. In the 1-point and 1-point high speed AF mode, the AF area is selectable from the nine focusing areas with the joystick to best fit the composition of the subjects. Also, the AF assist lamp helps quick, accurate focusing in situations where focusing is difficult due to the lack of light. The AF/AE lock button is also succeeded from the predecessor.

8. A Variety of Scene Modes and Other Features to Enrich Your Photography
An even larger variety of scene modes are contained  a total of seventeen* scene modes to assist you in a wide range of photographic situations. The newly incorporated Beach mode is perfect for shooting in strong sunlight and the Aerial mode assists with shooting through the windows of an aeroplane. High Sensitivity** mode is made possible by the pixel-mixed readout method by the CCD, is ideal for shooting moving subjects clearly without blurring at a maximum sensitivity setting of ISO 3200.

For additional improvement, the Print mode is also added to the mode dial of the LX2 so that you can make prints by just connecting the camera to Pictbridge -corresponding printers via included USB cable. Of course you can get plural prints of a image or print only those you have selected as your favourite.

The DMC-LX2 includes 13MB of built-in memory to serve not just as a tool of shooting images but also as a digital album, to enjoy seeing and showing your favorite pictures.

Finally, to edit and develop RAW files, SILKYPIX Developer Studio 2.0SE software application is included with the DMC-LX2. With that, you can freely adjust various setting such as exposure, white balance, and so on afterward with the RAW files to take maximum advantage of digital camera photography enjoyment.

*Not including Macro Mode.
**Resolution significantly decreases in high sensitivity mode.

Panasonic LUMIX DMC-LX2



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#201 Sunny

You're absolutely right, nick. I must be drinking some digicamera koolaid as I stay up looking for my next camera at 1:30AM while having to go to work at 8AM this morning :wow:

I definitely understand that technological evolution, and rapid at that, will never cease. At this moment, though, the Panasonic seems to possess added features that I wished Canon had put in its S80. I think the S80 would have benefitted a lot from IS, RAW mode, a 16:9 aspect ratio and a 4X optical zoom. I would have been happy with just IS, alone. But, Panny is building what appears to be a dream-combination of features, IMHO.

Once does hope that Panasonic doesn't shoot itself in the foot with a jack of all trades, but a master of none. Being that this is the second coming of the LX line, I think it will improve on what seems to be a nice start.

I'm a bit of a techie, so I don't mind spending time tweaking a few shots (out of a hundred) that might turn into gems.

10:00 am - Friday, September 1, 2006

#202 nick in japan

I like to say, Sunny, that there are no bad pictures, just some are better than others.
Panasonic's mother company is tha largest electrical company in the world, with that comes, hopefully, a well run research and development section with lottsa money pumped into it. I have been impressed so-far. packing useful stuff in a small package is a challenge, to approach an ideal camera is a trade-off now, for sure, I'd love to see the LX evolve into a bigger sensored, CMOS type of some sort, a little longer reach, an internal stiching program like my Kodak V570 has, and, lastly, an option line-up to include a snazy, rubberized clip-on body/lens protector! I dropped my user LX-1 and bent the lens housing, and thought that it may happen to others, especially now that the LX-2 seems to be becoming very popular, and will be likely used by trekers alot. In it's naked form it is a tough little guy, but still vunerable, even slip-on rubber end covers would help..hmmm, maybe a new project.

11:25 am - Friday, September 1, 2006

#203 nick in japan

Oops! Forgot those double strap lugs too! Would be nice to hang it around the neck in a horizontal position, would give it more of a "pro" look, which it deserves... could be confused for a Canon now!!!

11:28 am - Friday, September 1, 2006

#204 GARY POGODA

It's a shame, Sunny, your S80 broke down before the announcement
last week of the new Canon PowerShot A710 IS. Have you looked at
that one?

It is much closer in features to your S80 than the SD700 IS, but with
a 6x, 35-210mm (at 4:3), image-stabilized zoom, which is very close
to the LX1's and LX2's wide-angle focal length of 34mm (at 4:3), but
not quite as good as the S80's 28mm wide end. Hopefully, the extra
zoom (6x versus 3.5x for the S80) and the IS will make up for that.

Other niceties of the A710 IS are full-manual controls, a little smaller
than, and about the same thickness as, the S80 (as compared to the
LX1/LX2's half-inch thicker dimensions), full-retracting lens (does not
require an external lens cap like the LX2), uses AA batteries and has
an adapter for lens converters, giving you 24mm at the wide end and
368mm at the telephoto end.

I have nothing against the LX2. My only concern is that it will be just
as noisy as the LX1, if not noisier due to its smaller pixels. So, if you
are considering an LX2 mainly for its 28mm lens (at 16:9), I would at
least wait for the reviews.

3:32 pm - Friday, September 1, 2006

#205 kirk

Sunny, I am also a Canon fan, and I am waiting to see what they introduce for Photokina later this month. I am expecting an upgrade to the S80 and a new Pro 2. But, I think we are still two years away from the perfect point & shoot. Panasonic is almost there with some great specs at a nice price. With a better sensor, a larger buffer, and RAW bracketing for HDR, it could be perfect for me.

Panasonic, please take note. I would pay more for a better sensor!!!

Since the perfect camera is still a ways off, I plan on getting the LX2 or a new Canon... use it for a few years, sell it, and then upgrade. My 2 cents.

3:37 pm - Friday, September 1, 2006

#206 m-a

Hello all, first post here but I've followed the thread religiously every day.
I'm considering also the LX2 but I have to have it before october (leaving for vacations), so currently my "backup" choice is the S80, which seem to be still available at some online retailers here in Canada.
The A710 IS seem to be very interesting as well, but it seems only available by mid-october :-(
Do you know if there's an english review coming for the LX2? (by english-speaking japaneses sites)

5:29 pm - Friday, September 1, 2006

#207 GARY POGODA

I personally have not heard anything about any LX2 reviews, but I
would hate to see you make a decision without at least one. Have
you considered the possibility of renting a camera or buying some
throwaways for your vacation? They even have digital ones. :)

5:49 pm - Friday, September 1, 2006

#208 m-a

You're right, I haven't thought about renting...looks like a plan.
However I would prefer buying, but you summarized clearly my situation...I need a new camera, I would like to see some reviews of it before, I would prefer it to be "cutting-edge" (that is the geeky part of me), and all of it by october :-)

6:00 pm - Friday, September 1, 2006

#209 Marcosan

Good suggestion, Gary.

m-a, I'm on exactly the same page as you are. I'm gonna wait for the first comprehensive reviews, but I'm not holding my breath.

I'm actually hoping that something more enticing is announced by the end of Photokina...perhaps an S90?! :)

7:25 pm - Friday, September 1, 2006

#210 m-a

Hopefully, anything announced at Photokina will be in stores fast! :-)
Wow. An S90 would be a serious contender against the LX2

7:29 pm - Friday, September 1, 2006

#211 Sunny

An S90 with maybe IS, the return of RAW, 10Mp and 6X optical zoom, would be sweet. I placed a call into J&R and they claim to be getting 250 units of the S80 in September. However, folks in the Canon Digital Photography forum are saying the S-line is finished, the S80 is no longer being produced and it likely won't be replaced.

I don't understand how J&R could get 250 units, when Best Buy and Circuit City have completely removed it from their catalog.

9:40 pm - Friday, September 1, 2006

#212 kirk

The S70 was removed from Canon's website last week, but the S80 is still there. So, it has not been discontinued. Canon got bad press for removing RAW on the S80, so maybe it will return on the S90. Maybe they will also add true 16x9 format, unlike the cropped version in the SD700is. We'll know in a few weeks.

10:49 pm - Friday, September 1, 2006

#213 Sunny

Thanks Gary and everyone for the S80 comments. The A710 IS looks like a winner, but I still prefer having 28mm (without using an extra lens) and RAW mode. I'm still interested in what becomes of the Panasonic LX2, in terms of real users' experiences.

Regarding the noise issue, does using programs like Noise Ninja truly improve image quality (at ISO 100, 200 and even 400) and will you end up with post-processed images from the LX1 that will rival those taken by cameras like the Canon S80 that employ built-in sensors to filter out noise and may not require as much post-processing?

(Sorry for the paragraph sentence)

1:37 am - Saturday, September 2, 2006

#214 m-a

A question for you guys
From one of the link posted above #69 (japanese review of the LX2), the first rabbit picture (4,224×2,376 / 0.4 / F4.9 / -0.33EV / ISO100 / WB: / 25.2mm)
I'm no expert, but am I picky/inexperienced or is the noise/pattern anormal in the background? Even if you look at the colors of the cactus, the green transitions seem a bit pixellated...
This is one of the things that make me hesitate a little

4:47 am - Saturday, September 2, 2006

#215 m-a

Direct link to the image
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/parts/image_for_link/59594-4325-14-1.html

4:49 am - Saturday, September 2, 2006

#216 GARY POGODA

Regarding comment #213:

In theory, a 'smart' program could find every erroneous pixel in an
image and replace it with a correct one without sacrificing one iota
of image detail. However, any program that smart could never run
on the type of microprocessors used in cameras, due to their lack
of power. Microprocessors used in computers may have orders of
magnitude more power than those used in cameras, but still don't
have the power required to run a program smart enough for such
erroneous pixel detection and replacement. So, programs that are
less smart, must make compromises to reduce processing power,
and in doing so will not be able to distinguish the erroneous pixels
from the non-erroneous ones as well as smarter programs. That's
why programs like Noise Ninja running on powerful micros used in
computers can do a far better job of erroneous pixel detection and
replacement (i.e., noise reduction) than similar programs running
on the micros used in cameras. The end result is, the smarter the
noise reduction program, the less mistakes it makes at erroneous
pixel detection and replacement, and hence, the less image detail
lost due to replacement of non-erroneous pixels that are mistaken
for erroneous ones.

Short of producing a lower-noise sensor, the place to kill noise is in
post-processing on a computer using a high-quality noise reduction
program, not in-camera using heavy-handed built-in noise reduction
firmware.

Regarding comment #214:

The LX2 has an increased minimum ISO of 100 compared to the ISO
80 of the LX1. A better move would have been to decrease the LX2's
minimum ISO to 50, like that of the Canon S80. :)

5:42 am - Saturday, September 2, 2006

#217 nick in japan

Gary, with the option of selecting noise reduction in the LX series, and with what you said above, do you think it could be possible to get a better image with the noise reduction of the camera shut off, and using Photoshop's, or a plug-in, solely for all noise reduction. My rational would be that maybe the maker made image quality lessening for the sake of noise reduction.
I will try that with 2 similar pictures tomorrow with Big-Boy #3.

6:04 am - Saturday, September 2, 2006

#218 Sunny

:-/

6:13 am - Saturday, September 2, 2006

#219 Sunny

Nick, I think you're on the right track. As Gary said, the noise reduction software running on a typical computer should clean up RAW images much better than any built-in image processor.

6:19 am - Saturday, September 2, 2006

#220 GARY POGODA

Absolutely, Nick. I think you hit the nail right on the head. The degree
to which your statement applies increases directly with poorer quality
in-camera noise reduction firmware, and with better quality computer
noise reduction software.

6:24 am - Saturday, September 2, 2006

#221 nick in japan

I'd love to see an indepth comparison of the "On" vs "off with a plug- in process" applied. I bet there may be some startling results.

6:33 am - Saturday, September 2, 2006

#222 kh

http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=220124

8:30 pm - Saturday, September 2, 2006

#223 Pavel Kudrys

Guys, I've just started a petition for a Panasonic firmware update. The Venus III engine is simply too aggressive and kills a lot of details. We discussed this problem at dpreview forums and then I though about petition for simple firmware update (applicable on LX2 and FZ50), which will allow us to to turn the in-camera picture adjustments completely OFF, especially the Noise Reduction. Adjusting Noise Reduction to LOW is simply not enough.

If you check these full resolution FZ50 images..
http://www.pbase.com/fz3pics/fz50_low_light_test_pics

or these full res. crops I made just today..

ISO 100:
http://filexoom.com/files/15340/ISO100_crops.png
ISO 200:
http://filexoom.com/files/15340/ISO200_crops.png
ISO 400:
http://filexoom.com/files/15340/ISO400_crops.png
ISO 800:
http://filexoom.com/files/15340/ISO800_crops.png
ISO 1600:
http://filexoom.com/files/15340/ISO1600_crops.png

You will clearly realize how strong is the Venus III noise reduction, even at lowest possible level. It would really be great if panasonic would release (finally) a user installable firmware, which will allow us to set the JPEG noise reduction to OFF.

So if you are interested, read and sign the petition, which is available here..

http://www.gopetition.com/online/9523.html

Maybe if we collect enough petitioners, we will change something? ;)

Some time ago, many Casio z850 buyers cried about bad quality of video taken with this camera in high-quality mode. The official Casio staement was "there will be no firmware update nor we are working on it". But now, few months after Z850 release, there is a firmware fix (better said workaround) for this problem. So why not with panasonic? I'm sure, we can be successful if we will act together..why not give it a try? ;) We can't lose anything.

12:59 am - Sunday, September 3, 2006

#224 nick in japan

Thanks Pavel! Just got back from shooting with the LX-2, yes the Venus III is very agressive, and, still doing a fairly good job, I think you are 100% correct in the petition idea!
If this had a smaller sensor, all this talk would be worthless, I think, at least right now, with what we have to work with, the sensor has some more capabilities.
I don't completely understand why we don't have an RGB choice, over the sRGB "Cartoon Colors", which would further inhance the LX's attractions.
I haven't looked too close at the images yet, pulled the first one to send to Gary's Parries, but, initially they look pretty good, gotta look closer tho.
Wow! it sure is Black! I was kinda expecting a mousey grey like my Lx-1s, but this black will take a bit of getting used to!
The LED screen is awesome, easier to read, great for showing off pictures to friends, kudos for squeezing it on the back, absolutely NO room left!
Gotta run , lottsa images to tweak!
Thanks for the petition thing!!!

5:31 am - Sunday, September 3, 2006

#225 Shamas

Hello to all and I am glad to see a few personal user remarks filtering through at last: As mentioned previouly I am a Newbie and as such the topic of Memory Formats has me stummped.
SD cards are a newer form of technology and therfor more expensive.
MMC Cards are older Tech.
Ok to that. I am I looking at the wrong stats on the procuct description? From what I see the MMC are faster in their data speed transfer. is this correct ? which is the better storage format and why ... thanks Shamas

6:44 am - Monday, September 4, 2006

#226 Sunny

It's actually the opposite. My understanding is that MMC is older technology which has had slower speed and capacity improvements. SD cards, on the other hand, have gotten much faster and can store much more data. Many devices, including cameras, cell phones and MP3 players now support SD cards as a standard storage device. MMC, although still compatible with many of these devices, is much slower and has limited capacity.

You can get SD cards that support 150x speed and store up to 4GB of data vs. 66x speed and only 2GB (for MMC cards).

9:55 am - Monday, September 4, 2006

#227 Shamas

Thanks Sunny: please see this link http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=3525 Q? are the new disks still slower. I think yes as the review won't actually give a transfer rate; I think.

10:23 am - Monday, September 4, 2006

#228 nick in japan

SD cards are becoming cheaper here in Japan, and CF cards are more expensive. Lottsa SD cards are sold compared, now, with CF.
Before you purchase, ensure your camera will support the card you are buying, another thread discusses a problem with buying a card too big for the camera's capacity.
Expanding on that a bit, if you shoot ocassionally, and don't usually fill a card up, then, like me, I don't risk using large capacity cards, 1 Gig is the limit for me, most are 512s. Lose it, get it wet, or damage it, and you are out alot of precious memories, and replacement cost. Alot of folks will take issue to this attitude, I had a corrupted MS, and an SD went thru the laundry, that was enough for me, stupid stuff happens!

10:25 am - Monday, September 4, 2006

#229 locust

hallo nick, i've been following this blog for quite some time, and i am sure like to know what do you think of lx2 compare to lx1?
Does it come to "our" expectation at all? thanks.

12:50 pm - Monday, September 4, 2006

#230 GARY POGODA

Shamas, case in point, the LX2 does NOT support recording motion
pictures with MMC, only SD.

1:45 pm - Monday, September 4, 2006

#231 kh

If you're interested, see here for some 100% crops:
http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=220124

9:17 pm - Monday, September 4, 2006

#232 nick in japan

My initial feelings about the LX-2 vs the LX-1 are these, based on only one short outing. With initial set-up settings of Picture Adjustment of, Contrast=Std, Sharpness=High, Saturation=High, and Noise Reduction=Std., I was happy that noise is absolutely better, and, the ASA 400 question is answered, Yes, acceptable images!
I need to do alot more setting tests, but I think overall, it will be a welcomed camera for first time LX users, and for existing users that want a primary and back-up camera in the compact size.
The Venus III has an interesting, and different, to me, appearance in it's working process, not offensive, but obvious.
The Physical changes are overwhelming, the LED is awesome, as is the image viewed during shooting and play-back.
One of the attractions to the LX-1 was the Panasonic color that seemes to be a bit different from my other cameras, in a positive way, saturation becomes pleasant, not offensive, that continues with this new sensor.
If the weather clears, I have a model shoot scheduled for Thursday morning at the falls ( Picture in "Gary's Parries"),I will squeeze in some different settings then.
I failed to mention to Gary, that I used a "Warm" setting in that picture of the waterfalls, from the camera ,vice Photoshop, early morning shooting there presents a cool cast and really puts a blue color in the falling water. I tried a normal shot but it wasn't good at all. Trying to keep Photoshop tweaking to a minimum is a goal for alot of us!
I wish Panasonic would provide a couple warm selections, as well as a couple cool selections, probably alot easier than playing with White Balance.

11:07 pm - Monday, September 4, 2006

#233 Gary's Parries

Nick, just wanted to clarify. The "Warm" setting was in-camera, not in
PhotoShop post-processing. Correct?

11:27 pm - Monday, September 4, 2006

#234 nick in japan

Correct, you got an un-touched image from my camera, first one, as requested. Camera settings as explained above.

11:37 pm - Monday, September 4, 2006

#235 nick in japan

Gary, just sent you 3 recent images of the "blue" I mentioned, you'll have to wait for Mark to roll out of bed first, I guess!

12:29 am - Tuesday, September 5, 2006

#236 Werner

Nick, as I'm also interested to buy the new lx2, would it be possible to send me some images that you made? You can send them to .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

8:47 am - Tuesday, September 5, 2006

#237 nick in japan

Here they come, resized.

9:10 am - Tuesday, September 5, 2006

#238 Newmie

Hey Nick,

Have you tried the video mode? Likes/Dislikes ?

Thanks

3:24 pm - Tuesday, September 5, 2006

#239 TS

Here is a link to some LX2 100% crops at different ISO settings from 100 to 800. They are shot at RAW, plus JPEG with Low and High noise reduction. The 200 RAW is out of focus, but everything else looks OK.

These are from a ClubSnap member, not me.


http://filexoom.com/files/15474/lx2_more_high_iso_crops.jpg

8:49 pm - Tuesday, September 5, 2006

#240 nick in japan

Newmie, I wanted to try the video last Sunday, but, I forgot to bring a tripod.
A good friend in London, Li, does alot of video work and I'm anxious to do a video for him. The issue with video is the size of the file, I like to e-mail family and friends stuff, but, a short video gets to be a pretty big file.
We have a weather problem now , here in Japan, I am as anxious as you to get out and use the camera.
I was not impressed with the Sepia color selection at all, I like to do that in Photoshop... LAYER>STYLES>SEPIA>FLATTEN>LAYER>ADJUSTMENTS>CHANNELS>MONOTONE>EDIT>FADE CHANNELS..fade from a Black and white to a slight sepia colr to suit your likes. This procedure works very well on a portrait that needs a bit of tint, sometimes Black and white is just, well, just too Black and white.

10:46 pm - Tuesday, September 5, 2006

#241 Shamas

Hello all and thanks for the SD assistance.
I have ordered My LX2 but it's comming via works Factory Shipment from Japan "read free freight" so I wont see if for a few weeks yet. I searched for the Users manual to no avail but for those of you who may need something the LX1 is easily found http://www.panasonic.com.au/support/downloads/ Personally I found the USA site a dog to navigate. Cheers

10:58 pm - Tuesday, September 5, 2006

#242 Shamas

This is also interesting for anyone with SD questions, its their memory capacity road map http://panasonic.com.au/content/library/files/F001562.pdf

11:07 pm - Tuesday, September 5, 2006

#243 nick in japan

#241, read #151, I use it all the time!

11:26 pm - Tuesday, September 5, 2006

#244 Randy

Hi to all.
I had downloaded the LX2's guide from a site I forgot its address, so here is a link for it.
http://rapidshare.de/files/32129782/LX2_User_Guide.pdf

10:26 am - Wednesday, September 6, 2006

#245 Ewan

Hello.

I'm a semi-professional photographer in the UK and have been looking for over six months to buy my first carry-everywhere (backup) camera. I want, as do a lot of photographers, something that can offer reasonable quality in a small size, with raw file format.

I recently bought on trial a Fuji E900 and kept it for 30 days in which time I was reasonably impressed with it. In the end I returned it as there were some niggling problems, as I saw them, such as no centre screen enlargement or distance scale for manual focus, not ideal quality lcd screen and optics, etc.

Anyhow, I've been reading this forum for a couple of weeks now with great interest and have decided to take a chance with the LX2. I ordered one on eBay last week from Hong Kong and it arrived today.

My question is - and apologies if this information is included somewhere already and I've missed it - what software are the other contributors that are developing the raw files from the LX2 using? Photoshop CS2 doesn't recognise them and Raw Developer confuses the colour channels.

Thanks in advance...

7:30 pm - Wednesday, September 6, 2006

#246 Sylvester

Hi guys im an amateur in photography tryin to act pro by gettin myself a LX2 hahha any idea when it will arrive in singapore? i saw some comments regarding buyin it online will that be cheaper? can already turned pros out there that can help me? thanks alot!!

8:34 pm - Wednesday, September 6, 2006

#247 KB

Hi Ewan, which ebayer did you buy your camera from & did you have to pay any import tax? Am thinking of doing the same! cheers KB

9:25 pm - Wednesday, September 6, 2006

#248 Sunny

Hey Ewan, how do you like the JPG images taken with the LX2 so far? In your short trial run, how do you like the load of features offered by the LX2?

I think a lot of us are interested in real-world comments from users like yourself and Nick from Japan :)

9:56 pm - Wednesday, September 6, 2006

#249 Macke

Hello,
i´m a newbie from Germany, found this thread and i´m impressed by so much good opinions about LX1.
So I would like to know how high the noiselevel of the LX1 really is. Does it make fun to look the picture at the TV and up to which size can you print jpeg`s at iso 200. Is it possible to converte the rawfiles to such good quality that you can make Posters at maybe 60cm/80cm?
Thanks a lot for your answers
Best wishes from Germany
Markus

7:05 am - Thursday, September 7, 2006

#250 nick in japan

Macke/Markus, welcome, can't help you with RAW discussion, but, with JPEG you don't want to use anything except ASA 80/100.
Millions of opinions have been posted and some of are a bit baised, one way or another.
One of the greatest user reports I've seen is at comment# 174 by Mr. Skip Hunt.
I bet he has some comments for you about enlargements!
I use Photoshop to do the noise removal, others use noise programs they like, also, most high grade printers will have a noise program that assists too.
Good luck, good shooting, if you get an LX-1 or 2, I think you will have a good feeling about it.
Lottsa threads have negative comments by users about other cameras, other than the known noise that creeps in, I don't remember hearing anyone bad-mouthing the LX-1 camera, at least from those who are user/owners.

9:18 am - Thursday, September 7, 2006

#251 Ewan

Hi.

In response to KB's questions I bought my LX2 from eBayer chinaarts for £220 +£35 P&P & £10 insurance. I payed last Thursday via PayPal and received the camera yesterday via FedEx, without any import duty. This was my first purchase from Hong Kong and I am rather impressed (In the past I've bought various photo goods from the States and have had variable success with avoiding import duties). I think that somewhere further up the list, someone else in the UK mentions another eBay transaction that was similarly sucessful.

For those interested in my first impressions of the camera, please give me a couple of days to evaluate it...

By the way, I managed to sort the raw development issues in Raw Developer, which I have only as a trial version, and hadn't experimented with much before. It is possible to swap the colour values for the red and blue channels in the colour matrix section of the "In" tab. I presume for Photoshop we'll have to wait for an update to Adobe Camera Raw.

11:18 am - Thursday, September 7, 2006

#252 macke

Hello Nick,
thank you for your answer. I think i`m gonna get a LX1. Maybe there`s anybody who can help me with RAW to make my decision easier.
Markus

7:20 am - Friday, September 8, 2006

#253 nick in japan

Marcus, none of my business, but, why not the LX-2?

7:32 am - Friday, September 8, 2006

#254 macke

Hi Nick,
because of the price.
The best price for a new LX1 in Germany is about 250$ and for LX2 350$.
I don`t have SD Cards yet, so I have to look
for the best result that my purse allows.
Markus

9:50 am - Friday, September 8, 2006

#255 macke

I`ve printed some pictures from
http://computers.livedoor.com/series_detail?id=45509&page=4
and the pics from the LX2 does have less noise than the ones from the LX1 but if you don`t see the´m directly together the Lx1 pics are pretty nice imho.
So for 100 $ less I think the Lx1 should be good enough for me.
It would be very nice to hear something about Raw from someone.
Markus

10:13 am - Friday, September 8, 2006

#256 nick in japan

Please tell me where in Germany you are located, also, when do you plan on getting the LX-1? I have a friend in Germany, at a US Base there, and, together, we may be able to help you out.

10:29 am - Friday, September 8, 2006

#257 macke

Hello,
the prices are wrong it`s 420 $ LX1 and 540 $
for LX2. I live in Winterberg about 2 h from Frankfurt.

12:48 pm - Friday, September 8, 2006

#258 GARY POGODA

Macke, the LX1 is OK for 'occasional' RAW shooting, but if you plan
on doing any type of action shots, you will be better off using JPEG.

Regarding your choice between an LX1 and LX2, besides the LX2's
noise advantage, if you plan on shooting in 16:9 aspect ratio much
of the time, the LX2's widescreen LCD is a big plus over the LX1.

2:29 pm - Friday, September 8, 2006

#259 nick in japan

Mackie, contact me at
.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
I will need your mailing address in personal correspondance, I will send you the difference, you gotta get the LX-2!
Semper Fi!

10:44 pm - Friday, September 8, 2006

#260 jjdaking

Nick, now you have really intrigued everyone here by saying: "...I will send you the difference, you gotta get the LX-2!" I have already bought LX2 and its being delivered any time now, I would love to see if I really made a good choice by spending a bit more for an updated version of LX1. Would appreciate the same feedback if possible. Thanks

11:01 pm - Friday, September 8, 2006

#261 nick in japan

#260, congratulations! You will, I hope , enjoy the LX-2! Please contribute your impressions you get, to this site, alot of folks need inspiration concerning the abilities of this camera.

11:46 pm - Friday, September 8, 2006

#262 AA

Macke -

thanks for saying that bit about PRINTING, and comparing the quality that way -

because, as you know, the problem with most people these days is that they don't actually take photos for printing any more. Most people think that they need to look at their photos 100% cropped and then say that the sensor has a problem, rather than making nice prints, putting nice frames on the photos, then stepping back to admire the overall aesthetic quality and enjoyment in the corrrect context and environment.

12:12 am - Saturday, September 9, 2006

#263 RayUK

I am the (unpaid) archivist for a busy am.dram. on the UK south coast. My photo work for the co. includes full page character portraits and quarter page rehearsal shots, preferably unflashed. I'm currently using a Canon S3, which struggles to freeze movement on stills in our poorly lit rehearsal rooms. This is hardly surprising since I'm often shooting at 1/30th., f3.5 at max iso (800 on the Canon).However I am surprised to find that the superb video on the Canon can produce some nearly acceptable quarter page prints from frame-grabs off the video.

So, I've become very interested in the HD video capabilities of the LX2, with a view to frame grabbing in low light, since it seems to me that this ought to provide a very acceptable small print. Can anyone with the LX2 confirm this or otherwise ?

Ray

1:32 am - Saturday, September 9, 2006

#264 nick in japan

RayUK, Very interesting story about "grabbing" and printing! I've always thought this was an interesting experience. I wish I could help you with a real good movie experience , but I have only tried one so far and it was a bit overexposed ,and, I really couldn't use it for anything, BUT, I think that the fellas that have shot LX-1 movies here, have had nothing but praise, and, therefore, there is no reason that the movie mode with the LX-2 shouldn't be a bit better, if it coincides with the increased picture quality.
There is something special about the Panasonic LX image that is addictive!
#260.. A bit more about this statement of mine.. Almost, a year ago, a fella I didn't even know, spent quite a bit of time to send me a heartfelt Birthday greeting, It touched me deeply, and, I felt a real good feeling about this Brotherhood, that I really needed at the time.
It changed my life, and I vowed that on my Birthday, I would repeat the same kindness for someone else, someone that I felt would use and appreciate the thought. Macke fits the bill, because he shows so much interest and, may be begining a great future. I don't know him at all, as, I really don't know the fella that was so kind to me, we all know him as Gary Pogada, a brother I never had.
I will keep the sentiment going, and hope that we see Macke's name up in lights because of an LX-2! ( not that he couldn't do it with an LX-1, but quality tools help)

3:34 am - Saturday, September 9, 2006

#265 nick in japan

POGODA is the correct spelling, Sorry Gary, Shirt happens!!

3:37 am - Saturday, September 9, 2006

#266 Crash

I have my LX2 for about a week.I've taken a few hundred pics all raw. I have found no prorams to process the images under OS X. Only GraphicConverter 5.9.1, but all raw files have a Purplish hue to them. The JPEG files are fine! Can anyone steer me to a program that will uncompress the RAW files correctly in either OS X or XP?

11:20 pm - Saturday, September 9, 2006

#267 RayUK

Nick

Thanks for your reply - doesn't take me much further though, as this would be my main reason for purchasing (yet another) camera.If anyone has the chance of shooting a few seconds of HD video of some movement in a low light situation (children playing indoors ?)PLEASE let me know what a frame-grab looks like - don't need to see the pic., just your opinion.

Ray

1:14 am - Sunday, September 10, 2006

#268 nick in japan

Ray, OK! Just did a short HD video of Joe jumping and waving in a dim room with just a small overhead light. I can truthfully say that the video is AWESOME!!!
A quick capture will be great, this video is sharper and captures more dynamic range than I expected.
You have inspired me to do more video, no kidding! I have done some in the past, but normally it has never been sharp and exciting enough to motivate me to do much except when picture taking was done, now I am motivated to do it routinely!
I hope others will submit their opinions too!

1:36 am - Sunday, September 10, 2006

#269 Gary's Parries

Crash, I use GraphicConverter for OS X all the time (for JPEG). Besides
being a superb program, they also have excellent support. If you email
me an example RAW image shot in the daylight sun (i.e., without flash),
I will forward it to the GraphicConverter developer Thorsten Lemke and
hopefully he can resolve this purple hue problem.

Email your RAW file to: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

12:42 pm - Sunday, September 10, 2006

#270 RayUK

#268
Crikey Nick, I go to bed after writing #267 and on logging on today find you responded in 22 minutes - what kept you ?

Many many thanks for your instant response - it looks like another LX2 sale. Next problem is where to buy - only seems to be one seller in the UK and he's 100 GBP more than Hong Kong ebayers. My daughter lives in Seoul and she's just told me that Korea is nearly as expensive as the UK, so I might follow Ewan (#251) to chinaarts. Ewan, if you're still following this thread - any likely warranty issues with this source ?

Ray

3:17 pm - Sunday, September 10, 2006

#271 Mads

I have had my LX2 for a week now, and it takes fantastic pictures! However, I am new to SD cards and have a question, which may be considered very stupid. Anyway:
When I take pictures in the dark with a long shutter time, it takes a long time for the camera to process and store the picture. After a little testing, I have found that the processing/storing time is approximately equal to the shutter time, i.e. about 8 seconds with 8 secs shutter time. My CD card is a Panasonic 5 MB/s and in bright daylight there are no problems. I am struggling to come up with a good explanation for this one.

Mads

3:44 pm - Sunday, September 10, 2006

#272 Mark Goldstein

The camera is automatically applying noise-reduction to the image, because of the long exposure time. If I remember correctly, the LX1 also did this. I think it's applied to all exposures longer than 1 second.

3:50 pm - Sunday, September 10, 2006

#273 jjdaking

#270 I also ordered LX2 from chinaarts for GBP 220. I paid via wire transfer and camera was shipped swiftly via Fedex the same day he received the payment. Should arrive on Monday per local Fedex office. He is quite efficient in communication and assured that the camera with be switched to English, software and manual will be in English. I will update on Monday after I get hold of the package. Not so sure about the warranty, but I could care less as where I am based it does not matter, i.e. not going to be honored locally anyway.

6:07 pm - Sunday, September 10, 2006

#274 RayUK

jjdaking - thanks for input. Look forward to your Monday, or whatever, update.
Ray

8:42 pm - Sunday, September 10, 2006

#275 nick in japan

RayUK, Good luck with getting one, safe and sound!
We are anxious to hear feedback on your impressions too, unbiased and without reservation.
I sincerely believe that future models are made better from the input here, and maybe one or two other sites!

10:41 pm - Sunday, September 10, 2006

#276 zymonk

If that's the case hopefully Panasonic will fix the lame slow sync flash setting, lower the minimum ISO to 80, add threads to the lens, support TIFF and continue to lower noise.

11:12 pm - Sunday, September 10, 2006

#277 crash

#271, try a faster SD card. I bought a sandisk Extreme III today and write times are about 1second now. Before shooting raw was taking 4-5 sec. remember @ 10mp file size is almost 20mb.

1:26 am - Monday, September 11, 2006

#278 Shamas

General Statement:
This Camera is not a fully complete, Professional SLR it has been designed for a niche target market. It does what it does and fails where is does also. Consider what we are getting for the funds we are paying, compact, versatile, Hugh levels of auto sets and features. We all have our pet areas we would love this camera be improved upon; and in future generations these failing may be attended to.
What tipped my hand to purchasing this unit was all the settings; especially the white balance and; I took into consideration the movie mode; even though you can not use zoom while in this mode and I started out telling my self that I would only get a Camera that had this function available.
If you compare this to a "Point and Shoot" it rips. If you compare it to an S3 it has some positives, size for one but fails in perceived Noise’ I am speaking form a Newbie standpoint. I you want to talk 10.8mp and Zoom ratios you will beat me hands down. For me the value obtained for the ƒ ? ? ? ? ? £ ? ? ? (Vatican City if any one is offering it ?) $ spent was inversely proportionate. The 'Noise Factor' is almost irreverent for my use as it is so much better than other point and shoots that I originally looked at. For others it is a huge let down... Maybe a camera with a different platform is for your needs. From what I have seen of the results there is not a lot in it..... . But things do always improve. Good luck to all in your decision making.

4:22 am - Monday, September 11, 2006

#279 jjdaking

Here is my report on ebay purchase from chinaart.

Camera came via Fedex Priority in three working days. Good packaging. Inside: original manual in Japanese, English manual for LX1 provided on CD; original CD with software+CD with same software in English; charger DE-A11 without extension cord, it plugs directly into the socket (adapter for UK plug provided); all cords as per manual, battery DMW-BCC12, battery case. All in new condition. Most signs, writing on the box, in included manuals, etc. in Japanese. Overall, I feel like this is a fair deal - I already downloaded English manual, it cost me $420 excluding shipping, I got it 3-4 weeks earlier than it will be available in the US, quality is solid (although the lens cap is a bit flimsy, but I guess it was the same with LX1?). Very happy can't wait till end of business to go shooting. More will come later

11:28 am - Monday, September 11, 2006

#280 macke

Hi Nick,
I´ve send you mail, die you receive it?
I found another user review about LX 1: http://www.photosafariindia.com/articles/rev2-lx1.html
Can anyone tell me something about Raw treatment with the LX1, which programs do you prefer and why?
Greetings from Germany
Markus

11:56 am - Monday, September 11, 2006

#281 nick in japan

#279.. Caps are the same, maybe flimsy, but, very well designed to stay on, in fact , it may be the best designed cap I have ever used.

11:56 am - Monday, September 11, 2006

#282 nick in japan

Markus, no mail yet! Your questions should be referencing the LX-2!!

12:03 pm - Monday, September 11, 2006

#283 jjdaking

The ONLY software that came only in Japanese is Silkypix - *(&*&^!!!! Where can I download English version? Or does anyone know how to switch it to English???? Thanks

12:15 pm - Monday, September 11, 2006

#284 nick in japan

Markus, you need to send me ANOTHER mail, I have no problems getting mail, 20-40 per day, yours has not been there. I even scan the "Spamfighter" folder that holds my wonderful spam mails.

12:31 pm - Monday, September 11, 2006

#285 Gunnar

Mads askes about prosessing time for long shutter times. I understand that the camera makes a "dark frame" for each long shutter-time shot. That is it first takes the picture for say 15 seconds shutter time and then makes an equal length exposure with the shutter closed for 15 seconds (dark frame) and thereafter subtracts the noise registered in the dark frame from the first exposure, thus giving you the best possible exsposure. Google dark frame for better explanation. Here is an example http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/pete/darkframe.htm

2:42 pm - Monday, September 11, 2006

#286 m-a

In North America the LX2 availability seem to be September 30, but my local camera shop just called me to say they received it (Canada).
I'll try to go see it after job and check for the packaging's language

5:54 pm - Monday, September 11, 2006

#287 Crash

Re:#269. I tried to e-mail you the file but it kept getting rejected from your isp so I've uploaded it to rapidshare. to download, click on "Free" and new page will open and d/l will start after inputing 3-letter/# code.
File is aprox. 20mb's.
http://rapidshare.de/files/32749503/P1010009.RAW.html

6:24 pm - Monday, September 11, 2006

#288 Lucas

Hello,
I am a complete newbie and about to buy my first digital camera... probably an LX2.
One thing that worries me (after reading post 245)... are Lumix pix fully compatible with Mac OS X computers? Can I use Photoshop CS2 (Raw and JPEG) or do I need an extra (like Graphic Converter) to do the trick? Any leads, suggestions?
Thanks!

11:52 pm - Monday, September 11, 2006

#289 AA

Check this out:

http://tinyurl.com/jbfqw


I think I'm going to buy the black one.

12:15 am - Tuesday, September 12, 2006

#290 nick in japan

AA, I would like to comment on your statement, I think you will find that if you decide to keep the LX-1 as a back-up, you can also have instant access to a different set of settings, ie. one set up for RAW, one for JPEG snapshots. There is nothing more disheartning than going out to shoot and having something go wrong with the LX, like the feeling I had when I dropped mine... sure I had other cameras with me, but losing an LX is something completely different.
The black body, lens and cap are awesome!

4:07 am - Tuesday, September 12, 2006

#291 nick in japan

Went to a new store here in Iwakuni, a huge chain that is a challenge to Deodeo, it's called "Yamada Denki", saw the black LX-2 priced at $ 456 ( at 114/$ yen conversion rate). This appears to be a pretty good price, for here.

10:16 am - Tuesday, September 12, 2006

#292 Ewan

Hi.

In response to Lucas, 288, I have discovered that it is possible to use Raw Developer on a MAC with OS X to swap the colour values for the red and blue channels in the colour matrix section of the "In" tab. I presume for Photoshop we'll have to wait for an update to Adobe Camera Raw. I haven't tried any other raw developers as yet. The jpegs work fine in Photoshop CS2.

jjdaking (283), It is possible to download a trial version of the English version of SilkyPix from http://www.silkypix.com. I haven't managed to work out if I can get a serial number for this version, considering I got Silkypix Japanese version with the camera. However, It doesn't seem that impressive a software so I'm not concerned. I'll just wait for a Adobe Camera Raw update and in the mean-time use Raw Developer...

Ray (270), the warranty for my LX2 is Japan only, but I'm not too concerned as buying from eBay Hong Kong allowed me to get the camera early in time for a trip abroad.

11:24 am - Tuesday, September 12, 2006

#293 Crash

RE:292 @ Ray can you explain in further detail how you manipulated RD to make your Raw images acceptable? I've also played around with Silkypix's trial version, while it's the closest of all programs I've tried to read the LX2's raw files it's reading the camera as a LX2 and saying it's incompatable and processing the images as a LX1 leaving a Blue tinge to all raw images.
I've contacted Panasonic a week ago And still haven't heard back from them regarding what will work with these cameras

6:02 pm - Tuesday, September 12, 2006

#294 m-a

Just got my LX2 today, I bought it in store and manual and packaging are in english (and french, I'm in Canada)
This camera is small! Great build quality also. I'll try it tonight

6:23 pm - Tuesday, September 12, 2006

#295 AA

Back-up, Nick?

Hand me downs, Nick, hand me downs - if the machine ain't broke, donate.

All my previous cameras have been donated to the less knowledgeable - I enjoy handing it down to people who want a better camera than what they have at the time, and bring them up-to-date with current technology. So far, up until now, all those people were still using 35mm PnS! But this time, my LX1 will be handed down to someone who already owns a decent PnS digicam, but need to train their eyes to the new format of 16x9.

16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!! 16x9 !!!!

Sorry, I had to emphasize that part, again. And again.

9:12 pm - Tuesday, September 12, 2006

#296 Gord Armstrong

I'm interested in the Lx2 camera and have enjoyed the communication between participants.

9:27 pm - Tuesday, September 12, 2006

#297 nick in japan

AA, you previously told us about your giving nature, that's why I included the word "IF" in the first sentence.
I wish you luck, I tried that with 2 folks and was snubbed, even tried to help someone get a LX-2 vs LX-1 with no luck!
Seems like when you try to be nice to folks it doesn't work alot of the time, especially when folks are happy with what they have.
Kinda like giving someone a Christmas present, alot get returned!
I'm glad you finally got to appreciate the 16X9 ! ( But not enough to have a back-up)

10:48 pm - Tuesday, September 12, 2006

#298 Sunny

Question about the LX2 16:9 format:

Can the LX2 take wide-angle shots in 16:9 as well as 4:3 mode?

Thanks!
Sunny

10:52 pm - Tuesday, September 12, 2006

#299 m-a

Yes, you can even take shots in 3:2 format
There is a slider on the camera to choose from the 3 aspect ratios

12:12 am - Wednesday, September 13, 2006

#300 nick in japan

#298 (Sunny) "Wide angle" is an ambiguous term applied to an angle of view wider than the normal eye sees. Camera/lens makers will sell you a something that says "Wide angle", but in fact it is near normal view. I do not consider 35mm as wide, "slightly wide", maybe!
Anyway, the LX models have a 16X9 sensor that captures approximately 75 degrees angle of view, nice and wide! When the slider switch on the lens is moved, the sides of that wide view are cropped for the 3/2, and more-so for the 4/3 aspect ratio.
I'm not sure what angle you end up with in the 3/2, 4/3, but I'm sure Gary has those figures, my guess would be 35mm and maybe 50mm( 35mm camera equivilent)
"Panoramic" may best be suited for an image NEAR 180 degrees, as in the stiched, in-camera image produced by the Kodak V570.

1:12 am - Wednesday, September 13, 2006