Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX2

July 19, 2006 | Mark Goldstein | Digital Compact Cameras | 481 Comments |

Panasonic LUMIX DMC-LX2Panasonic Press Release

Panasonic today introduced the Lumix DMC-LX2, successor to the DMC-LX1, which has received high acclaim worldwide for its unique 16:9 wide CCD, plentiful functions, and smart design. The Panasonic DMC-LX2 inherits the f/2.8 28mm wide angle LEICA DC lens, 4x optical zoom (equivalent to 28mm to 112mm on a 35mm film camera) and MEGA O.I.S.(Optical Image Stabilizer) system in addition to an enhanced CCD capable of 10.2-megapixels and larger 2.8 16:9 wide LCD. The Panasonic DMC-LX2 is unique in that it incorporates triple-wide features of 28 mm wide angle LEICA DC lens, 16:9 wide CCD and 16:9 wide LCD. Not only that, the L X2 is further distinguished from other cameras by its full manual controllability with a joystick allowing users to easily enjoy creative shooting. The DMC-LX2 also boasts Venus Engine III high performance image processing LSI to dramatically reduce the noise that challenged the predecessor, realizing image recording at max. ISO 1600 high sensitivity setting at full resolution.

To fight against the major cause of blurred images, Panasonic invented the MEGA O.I.S. system taking advantage of its superior lens technology to compensate for handshake  a feature which has long been incorporated into the LUMIX range of cameras. In addition, to also compensate for the other major cause of blurred images  movement of the subject  the LX2 is also equipped with the worlds first* Intelligent ISO Control (hereafter I.I.C.) within the advanced image processing LSI Venus Engine III. When set to the I.I.C., the Venus Engine III detects the subjects movement and adjusts the ISO setting and shutter speed to best suit the subject movement and the light conditionautomatically. Panasonics excellent image stabilizing system allows users to take clear, crisp images in any situation automatically, leaving everything to the camera.

The LUMIX LX series are distinct from other compact cameras in the way they feature extensive manual controls including manual focus and manual exposure which can be smoothly operated with a joystick. This joystick further provides operation shortcuts to the frequently used settings including white balance, ISO, image size, compression format, light metering and AF mode by simply pressing and holding it. It also allows exposure compensation and selection of one out of nine focusing areas.

The aspect ratio is easily selectable between 16:9 wide, 3:2 and conventional 4:3 with a switch located on top of the lens barrel to shoot in the framing aspect that best suits the subjects composition or images purpose of use. In addition, the DMC-LX2 is capable of recording wide 16:9 high definition (1280 x 720) motion image at 15 fps.

The other features that elevate the DMC-LX2 is the incorporation of 13 MB of built-in memory while the battery life is extended up to 300 pictures* on one charging, not to let you miss those great spur-of-the-moment shots. A print mode has been added to the mode dial so that you can print the images quickly and bundled software allows users to edit and develop RAW files.

The unique 16:9 wide CCD and 28mm wide angle LEICA DC lens provide a unique view of the world and which is refined by the Panasonics excellent image stabilizing systems of MEGA O.I.S., the high sensitivity recording and the I.I.C.

The LUMIX DMC-LX2 is like no other compact camera, enabling both high-end amateurs and entry-level users to explore the creativeness that surely enhances the joy of shooting.

* Based on the CIPA standard.

1.10.2-megapixel 16:9 aspect CCD and f/2.8 28mm wide angle 4x optical zoom LEICA DC Lens

The DMC-LX2 features a 10.2-megapixel 16:9 aspect CCD and f/2.8 4x optical zoom 28mm wide angle* (equivalent to 28 mm to 112 mm on a 35 mm film camera) LEICA DC VARIO-ELMARIT lens. Incorporating three aspherical lenses provides high optical performance while preserving the compactness of the unit. The aspect ratio can be easily selected between 16:9 or 3:2 in addition to the conventional 4:3 with a switch on the lens barrel on a shot-by-shot-basis to best suit the composition of the image. Even after shooting, the 16:9 ratio can be converted to 3:2 or 4:3 with the camera according to your purpose of use.

The Extra Optical Zoom, made possible by using the center part of 10.2-megapixel high resolution CCD, further extends the zoom ratio to 5.5x for 5-megapixel image recording in 16:9 aspect with minimal deterioration.

* In 16:9 aspect ratio.

2. More than just a MEGA O.I.S., LUMIXs image stabilizing system further evolves
Taking advantage of its superior lens technology, Panasonic invented the MEGA O.I.S.(Optical Image Stabilizer) to fight against the major cause of blurred images. It compensates for handshake and is now featured on the entire LUMIX range, and having been highly evaluated and appreciated by the users across the world. Every slight hand-shake movement is detected accurately with the sampling frequency at 4,000 times per second and will be compensated to render clear, sharp images. In addition, movement of the subject, the other major cause of blurred images, is suppressed by the advanced image processing LSI Venus Engine III with the Intelligent ISO Control (hereafter I.I.C.) and max.ISO1600 high sensitivity recording capabilities. The worlds first incorporation* of this I.I.C. allows the automatic adjustment of the suitable ISO setting and shutter speed that best suits the situation by analyzing the speed of subject movement. If the subject is moving, the ISO setting would automatically rise to allow high shutter speed. On the other hand, if the subject is still and no movement is detected, you can take beautiful natural images with a low ISO setting.

?Accordingly the new LUMIX automatically takes the best countermeasures against any causes of blurred images with MEGA O.I.S. compensating for hand-shake and the I.I.C. compensating for movement of the subject. Image stabilizing system is further evolving with LUMIX.

*For a digital still camera, as of July 19, 2006.

3. Dramatically reduced noise with Venus Engine III
The DMC-LX2 adopts the Venus Engine III to realize high sensitivity recording at max. ISO 1600 at full resolution. The noise reduction system is greatly improved by removing noise at the processing stages in series. First, critical noise is roughly undraped and the chromatic noise and the luminance noise are separated to respectively go through the supplemental noise reduction process so that the remaining noise is appropriately minimised.

Despite the significantly increased performance of the camera, the Venus Engine III consumes only 80% of the power utilized by the Venus Engine II and is able to achieve a longer battery life of 300 pictures (CIPA) on a single charge. With its multi-task image processing capability, the Venus Engine III also boasts outstanding response time with a shutter release time lag of as short as 0.009 sec*. minimum and the shutter interval of 0.6 sec*. The DMC-LX2 enables easy capture of those spur-of-the-moment shots. The DMC-LX2 also allows unlimited consecutive shooting up to the capacity of the SD/SDHC memory card**.

* Not including the time for AF.
**The number of recordable pictures depends on the memory card size, battery life, picture size and image compression.

4.Joystick-operated intuitive full manual control
The easy-to-use joystick operation and good design, which were part of the highly acclaimed trademarks of the predecessor, are inherited by the DMC-LX2. The joystick was incorporated to facilitate operational ease and thereby get the best technical advantage of the multitude of functions offered by the camera.  With the joystick it is possible to set focus and exposure manually, and also quickly shortcut to frequently used variables by just pressing and holding the joystick even while monitoring a subject on the LCD. The predecessor LX1 contained white balance adjustment, ISO setting, image size setting and compression format in its shortcut menu, and the light metering and AF mode settings are now added for the new LX2. It also allows the exposure compensation and selection of one out of nine focusing areas.

A switch on the side of the lens barrel lets you quickly change the focus mode between MF, AF or Macro AF. When you focus in the Manual Focus mode, not only the focus distance but also the DOF (depth of field) according to the zoom range and aperture is displayed. An MF assist function enlarges the center of the image to make focusing easier. The focusing area can be enlarged up to 4x and is movable, which also contributes to easy and comfortable manual focusing.?

5.Crystal-clear, large 16:9 wide 2.8-inch LCD
To express the best of the extensive 16:9 wide image recording, a 2.8 wide and large 207 k high resolution LCD is newly equipped. The pixel mixed readout method performed at the CCD achieves high sensitivity to offer sufficient brightness for easy shooting even in low-lit situations.  The Power LCD function boosts the brightness level by 40% to secure clear view even in sunny outdoors.

The High Angle mode makes the display extremely easy to view from low angles, for example, when holding the camera up high to take pictures over a crowd and can be accessed easily and quickly by using the dedicated button.

6.  High definition 16:9 wide motion image recording
The DMC-LX2 is capable of recording the 4:3 VGA(640 x 480) and 16:9 wide VGA(848 x 480) motion image recording at 30 fps. Shooting is one thing but viewing is another, and you will be suitably impressed by the 16:9 moving image when it is displayed on a wide screen TV. In addition, the LX2 can record motion images even in high definition (1280 x 720) format at 15 fps. The pixel mixed readout method assists the bright motion image recording even in low lit situation.

7.  Faster AF
The AF mode can be selected according to the shooting situation: 9-point, 3-point high speed, 1-point high speed, 1-point normal speed and Spot. In the 1-point and 1-point high speed AF mode, the AF area is selectable from the nine focusing areas with the joystick to best fit the composition of the subjects. Also, the AF assist lamp helps quick, accurate focusing in situations where focusing is difficult due to the lack of light. The AF/AE lock button is also succeeded from the predecessor.

8. A Variety of Scene Modes and Other Features to Enrich Your Photography
An even larger variety of scene modes are contained  a total of seventeen* scene modes to assist you in a wide range of photographic situations. The newly incorporated Beach mode is perfect for shooting in strong sunlight and the Aerial mode assists with shooting through the windows of an aeroplane. High Sensitivity** mode is made possible by the pixel-mixed readout method by the CCD, is ideal for shooting moving subjects clearly without blurring at a maximum sensitivity setting of ISO 3200.

For additional improvement, the Print mode is also added to the mode dial of the LX2 so that you can make prints by just connecting the camera to Pictbridge -corresponding printers via included USB cable. Of course you can get plural prints of a image or print only those you have selected as your favourite.

The DMC-LX2 includes 13MB of built-in memory to serve not just as a tool of shooting images but also as a digital album, to enjoy seeing and showing your favorite pictures.

Finally, to edit and develop RAW files, SILKYPIX Developer Studio 2.0SE software application is included with the DMC-LX2. With that, you can freely adjust various setting such as exposure, white balance, and so on afterward with the RAW files to take maximum advantage of digital camera photography enjoyment.

*Not including Macro Mode.
**Resolution significantly decreases in high sensitivity mode.

Panasonic LUMIX DMC-LX2



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#301 GARY POGODA

Nick, sorry for the delay. I've been traveling.

Here are the figures you wanted. :)

http://tinyurl.com/ly8pg

1:49 am - Wednesday, September 13, 2006

#302 nick in japan

Thanks Gary, been, it seems like a very long time, but, it sure has been a good ride with folks like you around.
Nothing is more important than friends!
Hard to believe that it's, now, half over!

2:07 am - Wednesday, September 13, 2006

#303 GARY POGODA

Half way is a good place to be. You've learned many of life's lessons,
and can still even remember some of them. :)

Sunny, the LX2 lens translates to 34mm wide in 4:3 aspect ratio and
32mm wide in 3:2 aspect ratio, which is not bad, just not 28mm wide. :)

3:52 am - Wednesday, September 13, 2006

#304 nick in japan

Sunny, the trick is to shoot in 16X9 and crop the side, or, sides you don't care about, cropping to the 3/2, 4/3 ratio that you want to work with in your Photoshop, or other program.
Shooting in a selected 3/2, 4/3 aspect will be quicker, but once it's captured there is no going back to get those sides you MAY have wanted.

4:04 am - Wednesday, September 13, 2006

#305 nick in japan

Also, there is alot of image area in the difference between 28mm and 32/34mm, MUCH more difference in wide angle than in telephoto shots!

4:09 am - Wednesday, September 13, 2006

#306 Harley

Hey! I've been following this and drooling over the LX2 for a while now (it is very drool worthy!) and I just got mine!

Was taking some pictures to test it out, and let everyone know if it is as good as we all hope it is, but I'm a bit stupid... My previous camera was a digital point and shoot (easy enough to use and get right), and I wanted something where I could experiment with apertures and all the cool manual things; which I'm not very good at yet but I'm trying to learn.

Anyway, my pictures outdoors in the sunshine were fine, but in lower lighting conditions still outside, I got lots of noise and not very good quality in the darker areas. It's something I'm not doing I think, as no one else seems to have this problem, but is it just the ISO that should be reduced (was having problems with it as it kept switching itself back to I Iso)?

I'm hoping so, as I think I've not even begun to realise the full potential of picture quality, but what does everyone else with this camera think about the picture quality? And what is the best setting do you think? I've been trying a few but want to see if I can find a better one...

PS Don't be put off, it's still a very sexy camera...

4:41 am - Wednesday, September 13, 2006

#307 Sunny

Thanks Gary and Nick for clarifying the wide-angle effect. I actually like the 28mm effect where the image gets stretched towards the sides and corners. Sorta like when you watch Monday Night Football on a widescreen -- I love the point of view and enhanced scope you get.

In the LX2, I was wondering if its possible to have, in addition to the 16:9 aspect, the ability to further "stretch" the sides and corners of an image -- 16:9 plus wide-angle, if that makes sense.

That's the thing I miss about the Canon S80 (not that I mean to keep beating a dead horse) :)

5:07 am - Wednesday, September 13, 2006

#308 Sunny

Of course, the S80 wasn't 16:9! Forgot to add that point :)

5:08 am - Wednesday, September 13, 2006

#309 GARY POGODA

Sunny, yes, that is what you will get with the LX2, a 28mm wide-angle
view with a stretched 16:9 aspect ratio.

5:24 am - Wednesday, September 13, 2006

#310 Gary's Parries

Crash (#287), I forwarded your link to Thorsten Lemke.

5:45 am - Wednesday, September 13, 2006

#311 nick in japan

# 306, IMHO, do NOT shoot in the "Auto" mode, nor use auto ISO. Evaluate your lighting conditions before you shoot, and select an ASA/ISO (Whatever you want to call it), remember that the wonderful image stabilization system will give you about 3 stops more for sharpness. That means, for ASA 100, your steadiness of the camera relates to shooting at ASA 800.

6:26 am - Wednesday, September 13, 2006

#312 Sunny

Thanks Gary. OK, I'm set on buying the LX2 when it becomes available stateside.

One more question: Does the LX2 give you the option to shoot at different resolutions, like 6MP, 7MP, 8MP, etc? My understanding is that image noise becomes more pronounced as you try to squeeze more and more pixels onto the same sensor area. Where people complain that Panasonic should have kept the camera at 8MP and improved the sensor's noise-filtering, I'm wondering if there is not a work around on the LX2 by simply adjusting the resolution of each shot.

Couldn't this be worked around by taking shots at a 6MP or 8MP setting on the LX2? So, shots requiring a low ISO setting can be shot at 10MP, while darker shots or those requiring a higher ISO can be shot at 6MP or 8MP?

4:52 pm - Wednesday, September 13, 2006

#313 crash

thanks Gary! I hope Thorsten can come up with a solution. I recieved a call back from Panasonic, they have two tech's working on this and I believe they also fowarded my raw image to Silkypix.

6:25 pm - Wednesday, September 13, 2006

#314 Gary's Parries

He has your image and will check into it (right after the Apple Expo :)).

6:35 pm - Wednesday, September 13, 2006

#315 GARY POGODA

Sunny, the LX2 does provide the option for lower resolution images;
however, depending on the 'sophistication' of Panasonic's in-camera
noise reduction algorithms, they will, at best, have only slightly lower
noise, because you are still working with the same very tiny pixels.

6:44 pm - Wednesday, September 13, 2006

#316 AA

Dang it........

it's beginning to sound like I should wait for LX3....... and not waste time time fooling around. The new one would probably be released in about a year anyways, right?
I'm doing fine with the LX1 right now - should I drop another $500 for a newer version just because it has a 16x9 screen and more pixels, and the camera with the extra pixels not without its own problems, right?

11:29 pm - Wednesday, September 13, 2006

#317 perry

I have had my LX2 about a week which I got out of New York via mail order, which they got from Japan... anyway, this is a great point and shoot camera. It is small, fits in the pocket quite easily. I say get one.

3:11 am - Thursday, September 14, 2006

#318 Sunny

If a Canon S90 doesn't drop by the end of the month, I'm set on the LX2.

3:22 am - Thursday, September 14, 2006

#319 Kewl

I've also been one of the ones following this thread with great anticipation and want to thank you all for the great info. After waiting and researching for a while I went ahead and over paid a bit to be able to get it quickly (I'm sure if I wait 2 more weeks I'll find it much cheaper). Anyway, I went ahead and ordered from N.Y. also with the packaged (1 GB card, etc..) deal and extended 3 year warranty.

Perry (#317), out of curiousity did you also order from time2envy off ebay in N.Y.? Just wanted to know if anyone has ordered from them before since I will hopefully recieve mine in next few days.

Quick question: The package I got comes with a 80x 1 Gig SD card. Is this fast enough or do I need a faster card for faster processing?

3:36 am - Thursday, September 14, 2006

#320 GARY POGODA

AA, if you can wait another year, you'll likely get another 2 megapixels. :)

4:01 am - Thursday, September 14, 2006

#321 nick in japan

Having the largest sensor of the compacts right now, do you think that they may try for one just a little bit larger, and stay with 10mb? Seems like a viable alternative to dense-packed pixels!

6:15 am - Thursday, September 14, 2006

#322 crash

#319, time2envy is Broadway Photo. It's the hassel-free way of buying from them! no high pressured salesguy trying to sell you extras and you know they will ship timely,since their feedback depends on it! I bought my LX2 and a D200 from him (t2e) absolutly no problems whatsoever.

12:46 pm - Thursday, September 14, 2006

#323 sylvester

Hi guys i searched the web and found a company that offers free international shipping for the lx2!!! have anyone deal with shashinki.com before? pls advice because im reallie interested to get the camera! is the battery for lx2 the same as lx1??

12:48 pm - Thursday, September 14, 2006

#324 nick in japan

Battery is the same for both!

12:54 pm - Thursday, September 14, 2006

#325 Harley

Thanks Nick!

1:48 pm - Thursday, September 14, 2006

#326 Perry

Kewi (319), I am the guy from #152. Got it from the "fishy" Prestige Camera. It came maybe a week after they said it would. I was a little nervous but it did come and without a manual, which I followed someones link on this blog to the AU manual, so didn't mind.

I am a SanDisk loyalist so got the 1 & 2gig UltraII cards for my trip to Italy and so far they have been plenty fast for me. My approach to this camera is one as a glorified "happy snap" and it has exceeded my expectations.

2:49 pm - Thursday, September 14, 2006

#327 GARY POGODA

Nick (#321), they're saving that for their 1" thick, lens thread model. :)

3:36 pm - Thursday, September 14, 2006

#328 kirk

Canon introduced 2 new P&S cameras today.

1. SD800is: 7MP, 28-105 zoom, image stabilizer, JPEG only.
2. SD900: 10MP, 37-111 zoom, JPEG only.

The LX2 still has better specs.

5:09 pm - Thursday, September 14, 2006

#329 Sunny

Someone said SD800IS? :)

10:47 pm - Thursday, September 14, 2006

#330 nick in japan

Gary (#327) Yes! The collapsable, Leica type, one. How they fitted those internal filters, ala Canon FD 15mm fisheye, is a marvel to behold!
Guess the threads are for using the popular PL, and special effects filters!
We are almost there!

10:58 pm - Thursday, September 14, 2006

#331 Kewl

Thanks Perry and crash. I didn't know t2e and Broadway where 1 and the same. Funny cause Broadway wants more $$$ than t2e when I called and they also wanted even more for the black :) Anyway, I just called and they said my black lx2 was shipped and is on it's way ... very helpful people at t2e btw

Perry, I paid xtra to get it now because I also want to use this camera on my trip to Italy next week :) Glad to hear the 1GB 80x SD Card should work just fine. tx

11:16 pm - Thursday, September 14, 2006

#332 Marcosan

My gosh..all these new cameras have made me rethink my purchase decision.

Due to the more pocketable size and new 28-105mm wide angle, I'm gonna have to wait for some reviews of the Canon SD800IS...yeah, the Canon. Although I'm relatively sure that the LX2, with its larger sensor, will be able to take better lower light photos, I'll be willing to give up the manual controls if the SD800IS has better IQ and performance than the SD700IS it replaces. I'd really like a more pocketable camera than the LX2, and I don't plan on shooting in RAW.

Heck, with MY luck, Fuji will announce an F40 with OIS the day I receive whichEVER camera I choose.

Tougher and tougher to make a decision, but I'm liking this competition.
:)

11:38 pm - Thursday, September 14, 2006

#333 Jose

Not a Fuji F40 but.... a canon G7!!!!!!
more compact than the G6

1/1.8 10.0MP
6x Zoom 35-210mm (But not 28mm wide)
Flash shoe (But no RAW File!!!!)

that would be an interesting option if it wasn't about the RAW file.

1:21 am - Friday, September 15, 2006

#334 Jose

BTW, there is the Fuji E900 that gives great big prints too and supports RAW for less money...

Some1 knows about another compact that support RAW and HI resolution for big prints? Im looking for it and the only ones seem to be the LX2 and Fuji E900.

1:34 am - Friday, September 15, 2006

#335 Marcosan

Although the G7 is just slightly larger than the LX2, it weighs almost TWICE AS MUCH!

One question: Does that lens on the G7 retract into the body? If not, that's even worse! It wouldn't stick out even more than the LX2. :(

Sorry for hijacking the LX2 thread.

Back to our regularly scheduled programming. :)

3:10 am - Friday, September 15, 2006

#336 Gary's Parries

Crash (#313), Thorsten Lemke has resolved the purplish hue problem
you were experiencing with GraphicConverter 5.9.1 RAW files, and has
posted an updated beta 5.9.2b(4) on his iDisk for you to download.

From the Finder menu, select "Go>iDisk>Other User's Public Folder...",
and when you're asked for the members name type in "lemkesoftgmbh".

This will give you drag-and-drop access to the updated beta file on his
iDisk at "GC latest beta/10.4 or later/GraphicConverter.app.dmg".

Just drag the .dmg file to your desktop, and then double-click it. When
the GraphicConverter icon appears, drag it to your Applications folder.

I did a quick test with your RAW image, and you can now see a yellow
school bus and blue sky. :)

3:51 pm - Friday, September 15, 2006

#337 zymonk

Leica's DLux3 version looks sexier:
http://tinyurl.com/nb5s4
And then there is the M8 that wiil cost as much as 10 LX2's. I'm not sure if it shoots in 16x9. For that much dosh it should. I don't like the design of the charger as much as the LX1/2's. It appears to have a chord. But I still find myself wanting one.

5:37 pm - Friday, September 15, 2006

#338 zymonk

The D-Lux3 goes down to ISO 80! In the Leica press release they mention that it has "some image processing changes" as compared to the LX2. I wonder exactly what they are? Sadly I don't think they fixed Panasonic's lame slow sync flash setting.

10:40 pm - Friday, September 15, 2006

#339 crash

Hallelujah! Thank You Gary and Thorsten!! My pics look great now! Thank you guys for all your hard work!

5:20 am - Saturday, September 16, 2006

#340 Chris

Not only does it go down to ISO 80 (per dpreview.com) it is limited on the upper range to ISO 400.
Maybe that is their way to solve the noise problems? Restrict ISO settings.
I think I prefer the range of the LX2 to give me additional play and decide for myself, but it would be nice to allow ISO 80 on the LX2 too.

And on a side note, I wish that Panasonic would allow users to turn off the automatic dark frame capture on long exposures.
I don't want to take a 15 second exposure and wait another 15 seconds while the camera captures a dark frame for noise reduction.
Give me the ability to take several pics at long exposure, capture a dark frame myself (with lens cap on), and then adjust for noise via off-camera software.

Any chance that if Panasonic decides not to release firmware updates that they will make the firmware code open source or available so that we can we can tailor the code ourselves?

I'm sure we have enough talented people here to change the code to produce the firmware variants that we want. And if Panasonic wants to adopt any changes and make an official firmware release from what we create- so much the better for their business and sales.

5:51 am - Saturday, September 16, 2006

#341 Gary's Parries

Crash (#339), glad it worked out for you. GraphicConverter's support
is the best.

6:20 am - Saturday, September 16, 2006

#342 Jose

Max ISO is 1600, not 400. (from the Leica web)

10:03 am - Saturday, September 16, 2006

#343 Jose

for the ones that say the LX have the larger compact camera sensor I think the Fuji e900 is bigger.

10:17 am - Saturday, September 16, 2006

#344 nick in japan

#343, Jose, you are absolutely correct.. but it's a fuji! That may not count!

11:52 am - Saturday, September 16, 2006

#345 Arthur Remes

Hi. I plan to use my camera to take quick photos of people in action outside in the city to paint from. I am a professional artist and art teacher, but new to photography. I have been using a Canon G5 as a starter camera, and the shutter speed is too slow to catch the action of the city. I also need the image stabilization, as my hand has a slight tremor(due to age and polio). I thought of using the new Canon Xt1 slr with a stabilizing lense, and I still intend to get one, but it is too heavy to just carry around all the time. I want the largest megapixel size I can get5 that I can afford, because I blow the images up quite large to work from, either in a print or on a screen. The LX-2 sounds like it might fit the bill, but I am wondering about the issue of digital delay. Additionally, I have been told that there is a difference between megapixel size in a point and shoot and an slr. Will 10 megapixels in the LX-2 give a decent level of resolution to paint from? Thanks for any replies I get, and please forgive my naivity in these areas. I hope to learn quickly, and this forum seems to be a very good one.

6:47 pm - Saturday, September 16, 2006

#346 GARY POGODA

Arthur, unless you are really into shooting at 16:9 aspect ratio, I don't
think the LX2 is "the" camera for you. At the standard 4:3 aspect ratio,
its resolution is only 7.5 megapixels.

Since you are currently a Canon G5 owner, I think the just announced
10 megapixel G7 would be the perfect camera for you. It has twice the
resolution of your G5, a 6x image stabilized zoom compared to the 4x
non-stabilized zoom of your G5, a faster maximum shutter speed than
your G5, and much higher ISOs than your G5 (1600 vs. 400), thereby
allowing you to shoot at higher shutter speeds.

Other improvements over the G5 are a much larger 2.5" vs. 1.8" LCD,
as well as a much more compact (and lighter) body. There are also a
few disadvantages of the G7 compared to your G5. It does not have a
flip-out & twist LCD, it does not have a RAW shooting mode, and it has
a slower F2.8 - F4.8 vs. F2.0 - F3.0 lens.

All in all, I think this would be an excellent choice for you. Even so, you
should still wait for one or two G7 reviews before making any decisions.

7:48 pm - Saturday, September 16, 2006

#347 Jose (sorry 4 mi bad english)

I agree with Gary, in my opinion The only advantages of the LX over the G7 (asuming their image quality will be similar) will be the RAW file option and the panoramic ratio. If you dont plan to use those, the G7 seem more versatil point and shoot. The canon G series have the reputation of goog quality lens as do the PanasonicLeica. also I have read reviews of the Fuji E900 (9.0 MegaPix)that says its capable of good big prints, and its bigger sensor gives better results in low lit/HI ISO settings, it also have a good lens. If you want to spend less money go for the fuji, if not go for the Canon or PanaLeica. Im lookin for the same as you and if I didnt need the RAW file I'll take the canon (if the quality of image is similar to canon G6 but with more pix it have to be really good!)

11:09 pm - Saturday, September 16, 2006

#348 nick in japan

# 345, Arthur, For some reason the new Pentax DSLR came immediately to mind when I read your comments. The Pentax lenses are plentiful and excellent, as well as light.
Small bodied, it is just a tad more then the LX-2, add a lightweight lens and I think , perhaps the fit and feel, as well as the image stabilization all may be suitable to your needs.
Please , at least look and hold one, and I'm anxious to hear about your impressions.

1:06 am - Sunday, September 17, 2006

#349 Arthur Remes

I want to thank Nick, Jose and Gary for their suggestions. I'll take a look at those cameras tomorrow night when I am done teaching, and see what I think. I appreciate the help.

6:48 am - Sunday, September 17, 2006

#350 nick in japan

Mr. Remes, I probably speak for the rest of the folks that hang out here, it's great to have you paricipate and share your thoughts with us. Being an artist, you bring a new and different perspective here!
My teaching days were the best times in my life and I extend an offer of my collection of images for your use, if you can use them in any way in helping your students. No strings attached, contact me if you like..
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8:02 am - Sunday, September 17, 2006

#351 zymonk

Another place to see comparison shots from the LX1 & LX2:
http://www.pbase.com/viztyger/lx_x_2
I'm liking the results from the LX2 and the results from Leica's Dlux3 will probably be even better.

4:40 pm - Sunday, September 17, 2006

#352 Werner

Hello, after reading some positive comments about the lx2 and after receiving some samples from Nick, I just purchased the LX2 and did some initial tests, mostly close-ups. Most of the pictures were made in Program AE. The pictures can be found at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/92245670@N00/
During the next days, I will try to play around with my new toy to see how it behave :-).

6:49 pm - Sunday, September 17, 2006

#353 nick in japan

Wonderful evals, without noise work from Photoshop or something else, there is obviously reason to use of both 1&2 for everyday snapshots, as commercial printers do a bit of noise tweaking themselves, I suspect.
A bit of work to personalize our noise reduction will yeild some great enlargements.
There is something about the LX images that do, infact, give a "Wow" factor, at least for me, perhaps if Panasonic takes the petition for firmware to control noise, to heart, things will even get "Wowier"

1:10 am - Monday, September 18, 2006

#354 Chris

For those awaiting availability in the U.S.:
I received notice that J&R shipped the black model to me this morning. I had it on backorder at a cost of $449.99 + $6.95 shipping. It should arrive next Monday.

4:06 am - Wednesday, September 20, 2006

#355 Bram

Hello, I've been enjoying reading this forum for quite some time now and I hope to be getting an LX2 of my own soon in Australia.

Just a quick question about SD cards. Is there any benefit to getting a faster card like an Extreme III over a card like an Ultra II to use for the LX2?

I read somewhere that the LX1 could only write at a certain speed which would mean that an Ultra II (66x) was good enough but I haven't been able to find out if the LX2 writes any faster, which may warrant an Extreme III.

Here in Australia I have found that there is only about a AUD$20 difference between the two cards (in a 1GB version) so its not too big a deal.

The other thought I had was that in the future I may upgrade to a D/SLR so it might be handy to have the faster card.

Just interested in other's thoughts on the matter.

2:57 am - Thursday, September 21, 2006

#356 Dancer

I picked up the new LX2 for £280 from the Panasonic auction this week! yay! 20th Sept 06. Hope to get it on Wensday. (Also, the 2G High Speed PRO card is only £87 on the pan shop site! Double yay!

2:07 pm - Thursday, September 21, 2006

#357 Sunny

I'm waiting for Best Buy or Circuit City to receive the LX2. That way, I'll add the extended warranty and will have a short drive to have it repaired. I was going to wait on the SD800IS, but I'm really excited about the added option of the LX2 to natively shoot in 16:9!

11:18 pm - Friday, September 22, 2006

#358 nick in japan

# 357, chances are slim that you will need repairs, remember, you didn't buy a Fuji!
Good shooting, awaiting your "Wow"!

2:48 am - Saturday, September 23, 2006

#359 TS

Photoshop CS2's new Camera RAW 3.5 plug-in opens LX2 RAW files!!!

7:37 am - Saturday, September 23, 2006

#360 macke

Hello,
here is my very big WOW!!!!!
Image quality is incredible. Supersharp lens,
OIS works perfectly. Shots with 1:2,5 sec. are still useable for prints in 10/15 cm without using a tripod. Macros are so fine you can count the hairs on the back of a bee, White balance works also fine.
I´m very impressed of the first 100 pics.

Hey Nick, thank you very much for convencing me to take Lx2 instead of Lx1. I´m so happy with my new toy i cannot tell.

Good shooting to all of you!

Greetings Markus

12:09 pm - Sunday, September 24, 2006

#361 macke

Hello,
here is my very big WOW!!!!!
Image quality is incredible. Supersharp lens,
OIS works perfectly. Shots with 1:2,5 sec. are still useable for prints in 10/15 cm without using a tripod. Macros are so fine you can count the hairs on the back of a bee, White balance works also fine.
I´m very impressed of the first 100 pics.

Hey Nick, thank you very much for convencing me to take Lx2 instead of Lx1. I´m so happy with my new toy i cannot tell.

Good shooting to all of you!

Greetings Markus :bug:

12:13 pm - Sunday, September 24, 2006

#362 Marcos

Soooo, just out of curiosity, what kind of ISO's is the LX2 capable of without signficanct pp? Will it do a 400 ISO jpeg fairly well or MUST it be run thru NN?

Unless something major is yet to be annouced at Photokina, it's between the Canan SD800IS and the LX2.

4:13 pm - Sunday, September 24, 2006

#363 kirk

I think Canon has 2 more camera announcements to make for Photokina:
1. PowerShot S90
2. PowerShot Pro 2

The S90 will be a good competitor for the LX2. It should be 10MP, with image stabilization, and a 28-100 zoom. Hopefully a true 16:9 format will be added, but I doubt if RAW will reappear.

We'll see tomorrow!

4:33 pm - Sunday, September 24, 2006

#364 TS

If there is a new S90... it will have an optical viewfinder. Some may find that a more important feature than RAW. Plus, the lens will fully retract, which is nice. No lens cap to fiddle with.

4:53 pm - Sunday, September 24, 2006

#365 Marcos

How many of these camera companies actually make their release announcements at the show itself?

I was under the impression that the smart thing to do is to make pre-release announcements in order to get the word out to reviewers, writers, and magazine publishers so they'll look forward to visiting your booth??? To release at the show itself says to me that the product is "no big deal".

I'd put the likelihood of an announcement at under 10% at this late date. Hope I'm wrong.

By the way, just saw some SD800IS samples on dcresource.com....not particularly sharp to these eyes.

5:40 pm - Sunday, September 24, 2006

#366 kirk

I disagree. Apple always introduces new product at the shows just because it is a big deal.

In fact, Canon has introduced 10 new products over the course of several months to help spread out the press coverage. But, they still have a few holes to fill, and I expect that to happen at the show. Time will tell.

6:24 pm - Sunday, September 24, 2006

#367 Marcos

Kirk, if you're really trying to draw an analogy between headliner Steve Jobs unveiling Apple's new "latest and greatest" at Mac World versus Hashimoto Hakisaki making an announcement at Photokina, you really need to up your dosage.

An S90 at Photkina? Less than 10% chance. As Randall said to Mortimer (Trading Places), "Would you care to make the USUAL wager?" $1

6:37 pm - Sunday, September 24, 2006

#368 kirk

Hi Marcos. The $1 bet is on!

As you know, everyone copies Steve Jobs.

8:24 pm - Sunday, September 24, 2006

#369 nick in japan

#360/361, Your double entry is heartwarming! Everything about cameras and photography is very subjective and opinions vary greatly, so, of course, my feelings may not have been exactly as yours. I would have liked for you to have used both LX models for a side-by-side comparison, but I feel you have found that the LX-2 is a tool that is going to make your photography more exciting! Good shooting, and, please, let us know your opinions, without reservations, along the way! Thanks for the "Wow"!
#362, Marcos, ASA 400 is usually used when light is failing, therefore the noise that comes with dark areas in an image will be more evident, somewhat, but ,maybe you would be happy with 400. I always post-process my images, if just for a bit of sharpening or touch-up, noise work for areas that may need it. ASA 400 may require a minute or two more tweaking, IMHO.

10:50 pm - Sunday, September 24, 2006

#370 ktmcle

Hi all, it's amazing to find a place with many users of lx2. I got my Lx2 camera and shot thousand of photos during my taiwan trip. The 16:9 ratio is awesome and great! I took some time to accommodate to the wide shooting. Here's my flickr and please feel free to comment...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/littlebubu/sets/72157594298587659/

9:26 am - Monday, September 25, 2006

#371 sylvester

hi guys wud like to ask if anyone knows if the ipod camera connector is compatible to the LX2 camera? if not are there any other alternatives to transfer pictures from the camera directly to a portable hard disk.. many thanks!!

9:41 am - Monday, September 25, 2006

#372 nick in japan

Thank you for sharing! Great pictures, love the shot out the window of the aircraft, I never had good luck at that, seems like I always got the worst window on the plane!
Anymore comments? Did you try some video?
Thanks again! Oh! Did you read the comments on the petition?

9:42 am - Monday, September 25, 2006

#373 Gord Armstrong

#370 I really enjoyed the pictures. The 16:9 format really seems to work well. Have you tried showing them on a wide screen tv? If so were you happy with the quality when projected to such a large size?

4:00 pm - Monday, September 25, 2006

#374 Kalle

Hi ktmcle! Great pics, thank´s for sharing them with us! These are the first samples of what LX2 can do that make me want to buy the camera...Have you done any post processing in Photoshop for those pics? I'm particularly impressed with the picture from Kenting night market because it shows how the camera performs in street photography with low light and moving objects.

5:41 pm - Monday, September 25, 2006

#375 ktmcle

Thanks for your comments! The 16:9 format is great for shooting in different environment. Video qualty is great in 1280x960 mode. First time I see it on my intel iMac 17" I can't believe the video fit well in full screen! I only did some exposure adjustment in few of them. Most of them are ready for printing! Through I don't have a Tripod, the anti-shake system allow me to shoot in 1/15 sec with acceptable qualiy...so I guess ISO 200 is enough in most night environment...

6:01 pm - Monday, September 25, 2006

#376 Crash

Well Adobe has just released camera raw 3.5, eventho the LX2 is not listed it works fine! Tested w/CS2 on my intel mac.

9:41 pm - Monday, September 25, 2006

#377 Sunny

http://www.dcresource.com almost has their LX2 review ready:

[From ]http://www.dcresource.com]
Bad luck delays Panasonic LX2 review
Due to some bad luck, the Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX2 review will be delayed by at least a few dasy. I was almost done with it when the battery died. I opened the box to get the charger and there wasn't one! So, I'm waiting on Panasonic to send one out, and I'll finish the review as soon as it arrives.

12:37 am - Tuesday, September 26, 2006

#378 Sulis

Anyone tried the Samsung SDC-MS61?

11:13 am - Tuesday, September 26, 2006

#379 kirk

Marcos... you won!

2:44 pm - Tuesday, September 26, 2006

#380 Marcos

"Marcos...you won!"

Kirk, being the captain of a starship and all, had the thought never occured to you that I may indeed be a Marcosian? As you well know, the very survival of our species depends upon our genetic ability to be able to predict the outcome of future events with a reliability second only to the occurence of the event itself. Of course, being an earthling, this was a disadvantage you were not aware of before accepting even as minor a wager as you did. Do not worry, captain. I will not exact payment. As representative of the Marcosians, I bid you a safe trip.

Marcos

3:51 pm - Tuesday, September 26, 2006

#381 Loup Garou NOLA

I'm a fine artist in New Orleans and I've been following this thread for some time. Despite the naysayers regarding chip size and noise, I'm foaming at the mouth for this little gem (I'm sure next year's incarnation will be the clincher, dontcha think, but who can wait so long, right?). I pre-ordered the black LX2 from JR.com and still haven't heard a word. I hope to be taking it to New York City mid-October and will write and tell all how the images faired under close scrutiny and Photoshop CS2. I will only be shooting RAW files so my report will be just on how those panned out, no pun intended. In any case, I'm surprised it hasn't been reviewed yet by Steve's Digicams...seems there should have been an early release for the press to review.

6:21 am - Wednesday, September 27, 2006

#382 nick in japan

# 381, Good luck on your trip to my home state, I'm from upstate, north of Albany, wish you could get up there, anyway, I too will be going on a trip , the weekend of 7 Oct, and can't wait.
The next best thing will certainly be a wonder to behold!
Have you thought of doing a photo shoot of the terrible things that you have had to endure there in New Orleans? We all weep for you and hope the future will be better!
Memories of "hope" captured by your new LX would certainly be inspirational to all that see them, especially in the 16X9 aspect!
Good luck and best wishes.. welcome!

7:03 am - Wednesday, September 27, 2006

#383 Yota Kluit

I have been reading te review on http://www.dcresource.com and the lx2 isn't comming out out of the test that good. Noise is still a big problem (lx1). Pictures come out a big blurry it seems.

I was planning of buying a lx2 but after reading the test I'm not that sure anymore.

Maybe some of you readers could recomment me a camera?
The camera I'm lookin' for must have the 28mm lens and lots of manual controls. I would like it to fit in my jacket pocket ( so no D-SLR or superzoom camera. Also I will use it for takin' alot of nightshots (clubs and bars).

Now I use the Nikon Coolpix 4300 with a wideangle lens on it, and i'm shootin' stock-photography with it in low light situations like night shots on the street and in bars ect. So... who can help me out and point me to a good camera I can take everywhere?

Cheerse,

2:23 pm - Wednesday, September 27, 2006

#384 GARY POGODA

Yota, the only wide-angle, fully-automatic, low-noise cameras of which
I know are the Canon PowerShot S80 and A710 IS.

The S80 is due for a successor from Canon 'shortly', and the A710 IS
only goes to 35mm wide.

4:31 pm - Wednesday, September 27, 2006

#385 Sunny

The newly announced Sigma DP1 looks promising with 28mm, 14MP, captured on the biggest sensor so far built into a compact digital.

6:51 pm - Wednesday, September 27, 2006

#386 Ross

Yota,

I am in Scotland and have had my LX2 for about a week and IMHO, noise is not a problem so far.

I am sure that a big CCD on a SLR would create more detailed pictures at fast speeds but I am more than happy to leave the LX2 set on 100 ISO and dial in exposure time commensurate with light levels. I take many more shots than I would if I had an SLR or a less versatile compact simply because the LX2 like my old Olympus C50Z goes with me everywhere. In my estimate I will end up with many more opportunities, creative choices and therefore better pictures.

My Sandisk Xtreme 3 2GB card holds over 80 RAW images and the included silkypix software makes processing a pleasure. I have already taken many low-light shots and a few outside night-time too and have yet to be disappointed with too high high noise levels. I have not once felt the need to pop up the flash and love the fact that this camera doesn't even suggest I am wrong in so doing !

As a user I am happy to accept the LX2's technological limitations for the balance of control and convenience it gives me but wish the very best of luck in making the choice that's right for you.

6:58 pm - Wednesday, September 27, 2006

#387 Ross

Sorry,

I forgot to say that having taken many thousands of photographs with a 35mm SLR (Olympus OM-10 :) ) the capabilities of the LX2 are much appreciated and operations are second nature.

Most importantly though, I wouldn't recommend the LX2 as a 'point and shoot' as the results in automatic modes would likey be disappointing in very many circumstances.

8:51 pm - Wednesday, September 27, 2006

#388 nick in japan

#383, I would love to know if the review was performed with setting changes made to anything, noise reduction especially. Appears that he had set the noise reduction to it's highest setting, compared to the images that I am getting, I don't use the highest settings.

10:59 pm - Wednesday, September 27, 2006

#389 Cloudy

@ #385 -

Sunny, the effective optimum pixels are actually 4MP for the Sigma DP1. 14MP is interpolated.

12:34 am - Thursday, September 28, 2006

#390 GARY POGODA

Correction, #384 should have read "fully-manual" not "fully-automatic". Sorry. :)

9:23 am - Thursday, September 28, 2006

#391 Zoltan

Cloudy,

Interpolated yes, just like 16mp is interpolated for the 1Ds Mk II, 12mp is interpolated for the D2X etc. ALL Bayer cameras yield interpolated pictures at their so-called "native" pixel count. The Sigma is not a Bayer camera, so in order for its resolution to be comparable with that of all other cameras, offering an interpolated resolution is wholly justified.

12:33 pm - Thursday, September 28, 2006

#392 GARY POGODA

Zoltán, I hear what you're saying about the Bayer interpolation but
not all interpolations are created equal. The Bayer CCD interpolates
color information, which is not nearly as important to the perceived
resolution as the intensity information interpolation of a Sigma CCD.

3:57 pm - Thursday, September 28, 2006

#393 NRC

Right, well there seems to be a reasonable amount of intellect flowing on this thred so i'm going to lay down my predicament and you can all have it out (hopefully in a more cordial manner than some of the discussion above), then tell me what i should do...

The time has come for me to upgrade my camera but i can't decide whether to go with an SLR-like (the FZ50, or Fuji S9100, Sony DSC-R1 or Leica V-LUX 1) or a compact (the LX2 obviously, or Canon PowerShot G7, Ricoh GR Digital, or Leica D-LUX 3). Essentially i'm looking for a versatile, robust camera that will take sharpest images under the most conditions. Thoughts? Any other make or model i should be considering?

Thanks gang.

2:51 am - Friday, September 29, 2006

#394 Loup Garou NOLA

Thanks Nick in Japan. I'm postponing the trip to NYC--not sure I will be receiving the camera (silver is available but I ordered the black) in time...still waiting...as for the Big Easy, I'm not going to be documenting the grieving process in New Orleans so much anymore--had enough to last a life time...although, today I biked past a big beautiful architectural lady past her prime in the Irish Channel and couldn't help but linger at the sight of both porches in front piled to the rafters with all the refuse left over from Katrina--couches, bikes, furniture, ceiling joists, beds, etc. Sad, strange beauty in the setting sun of twilight, you could barely see the huge house behind all the rubble the owner had taken out from inside (the roof must have caved-in)...

3:19 am - Friday, September 29, 2006

#395 Jun

Can someone tell me if I can put the LX2 in the shirt pocket. I am concern because of the protruded len.

3:29 am - Friday, September 29, 2006

#396 Chris

Black frame (dark frame) noise reduction...

I just got my LX2 and have been playing with it a bit in my post-work hours. Unfortunately I won't have much time to do lots of experimentation until this weekend. But since Seattle has had unusually clear skies, I have been able to take a few long exposures at night. ISO 400, f2.8, 15 seconds.
This camera seems to take a "black photo" and does CCD noise subtraction at anything longer than a one second exposure. Without getting overwinded, I have played with doing an additional black photo subtraction (expose a shot with lens covered) with RAW files (which I convert to TIFF) and use the freeware BlackFrame tool at http://www.mediachance.com/digicam/blackframe.htm

At best, I am taking a second pass at what Panasonic does internally, and it isn't the best method - I wish that I had full control via a good firmware.
I don't want to bias anyone with my results, but you might want to try this method. I don't know if it would work for short exposures.
If nothing else, you might be interested to try a black frame and see how much noise is still there after Panasonic does it's noise subtraction (view a RAW after a 2 sec or longer exposure with lens covered.)
In a ideal world, there should be little or no noise after the "hot pixels" are subtracted.
In spite of all that, I like the camera. A long exposure at night, even with the noise, reveals many more stars than I can see with the naked eye, and that is pretty cool.

4:51 am - Friday, September 29, 2006

#397 nick in japan

# 393,#395, I can't find the key word to reply on, You finish with "Sharpest images under the,?, conditions? You list a nice variety of cameras , but the answer may be in what size camera you really need. The LX series, 1 and 2 are shirt pocketable with a bulge, I sometimes hang one around my neck and place it in a shirt , breast pocket , if I need to keep it close, but it is 2" thick with lens protrusion, thus, kinda big for a breast pocket, fanny-pac, coat-pocket, OK.
I can attest to the robustness of the LX, I dropped one, pounded out the mis-shapen lens housing and now the lens works again.
Deciding on a camera can only be done by your research, we all find pleasure in ones we use, the ones that faithfully capture our various needs, lastly,I don't think anyone here wants to tell you "what to do", except, read, read, read before you decide.
"Sharpness" is ambiguous in that a small print can , indeed be sharp, where a large print can only be sharp with the help of larger sized sensors, quality pixels, and a bit of tweaking.
Gotta decide on what size prints you will be doing... IMHO

5:26 am - Friday, September 29, 2006

#398 nick in japan

#394, You have a wonderful way with words, images of "hope", the bright-side of the destruction...especially the faces that have a twinkle of hope in those eyes.
Life is a memory, and those images of hope are awaiting your LX-2, along with those beautiful words. Thank you for your consideration!
Semper Fi

5:40 am - Friday, September 29, 2006

#399 GARY POGODA

NRC (#393), I would get the FZ50, the LX2, and the G7. :)

7:05 am - Friday, September 29, 2006

#400 NRC

Nick in Japan:

Thank you for your reply, much appreciated, but believe me when i say that i have done plenty of research. My post was deliberately ambiguous - it was an attempt to encourage you and everyone else contributing here to put their balls on the line (so to speak) and commit to a product. I have read review after review and they all do a wonderful job of telling me the limitations of particular cameras, but i am interested to hear someone defend a camera from all the nay-sayers tearing it to shreds. I know all the objective technical specifics of all the cameras i listed but i want somebody to insert some emotion into the debate surrounding each and defend their camera of choice. It can be so interesting and informing that way!
As it so happens, i'm leaning toward to fz50 (despite the image quality problems (noise particularly and especially at iso 400+) resulting from Panasonic's insistence upon engaging in the ridiculous pixel race).

And Gary, love your work – when in doubt, buy one of each, eh?! If only…

8:33 am - Friday, September 29, 2006