Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX2

July 19, 2006 | Mark Goldstein | Digital Compact Cameras | 481 Comments | |

Panasonic LUMIX DMC-LX2Panasonic Press Release

Panasonic today introduced the Lumix DMC-LX2, successor to the DMC-LX1, which has received high acclaim worldwide for its unique 16:9 wide CCD, plentiful functions, and smart design. The Panasonic DMC-LX2 inherits the f/2.8 28mm wide angle LEICA DC lens, 4x optical zoom (equivalent to 28mm to 112mm on a 35mm film camera) and MEGA O.I.S.(Optical Image Stabilizer) system in addition to an enhanced CCD capable of 10.2-megapixels and larger 2.8 16:9 wide LCD. The Panasonic DMC-LX2 is unique in that it incorporates triple-wide features of 28 mm wide angle LEICA DC lens, 16:9 wide CCD and 16:9 wide LCD. Not only that, the L X2 is further distinguished from other cameras by its full manual controllability with a joystick allowing users to easily enjoy creative shooting. The DMC-LX2 also boasts Venus Engine III high performance image processing LSI to dramatically reduce the noise that challenged the predecessor, realizing image recording at max. ISO 1600 high sensitivity setting at full resolution.

To fight against the major cause of blurred images, Panasonic invented the MEGA O.I.S. system taking advantage of its superior lens technology to compensate for handshake  a feature which has long been incorporated into the LUMIX range of cameras. In addition, to also compensate for the other major cause of blurred images  movement of the subject  the LX2 is also equipped with the worlds first* Intelligent ISO Control (hereafter I.I.C.) within the advanced image processing LSI Venus Engine III. When set to the I.I.C., the Venus Engine III detects the subjects movement and adjusts the ISO setting and shutter speed to best suit the subject movement and the light conditionautomatically. Panasonics excellent image stabilizing system allows users to take clear, crisp images in any situation automatically, leaving everything to the camera.

The LUMIX LX series are distinct from other compact cameras in the way they feature extensive manual controls including manual focus and manual exposure which can be smoothly operated with a joystick. This joystick further provides operation shortcuts to the frequently used settings including white balance, ISO, image size, compression format, light metering and AF mode by simply pressing and holding it. It also allows exposure compensation and selection of one out of nine focusing areas.

The aspect ratio is easily selectable between 16:9 wide, 3:2 and conventional 4:3 with a switch located on top of the lens barrel to shoot in the framing aspect that best suits the subjects composition or images purpose of use. In addition, the DMC-LX2 is capable of recording wide 16:9 high definition (1280 x 720) motion image at 15 fps.

The other features that elevate the DMC-LX2 is the incorporation of 13 MB of built-in memory while the battery life is extended up to 300 pictures* on one charging, not to let you miss those great spur-of-the-moment shots. A print mode has been added to the mode dial so that you can print the images quickly and bundled software allows users to edit and develop RAW files.

The unique 16:9 wide CCD and 28mm wide angle LEICA DC lens provide a unique view of the world and which is refined by the Panasonics excellent image stabilizing systems of MEGA O.I.S., the high sensitivity recording and the I.I.C.

The LUMIX DMC-LX2 is like no other compact camera, enabling both high-end amateurs and entry-level users to explore the creativeness that surely enhances the joy of shooting.

* Based on the CIPA standard.

1.10.2-megapixel 16:9 aspect CCD and f/2.8 28mm wide angle 4x optical zoom LEICA DC Lens

The DMC-LX2 features a 10.2-megapixel 16:9 aspect CCD and f/2.8 4x optical zoom 28mm wide angle* (equivalent to 28 mm to 112 mm on a 35 mm film camera) LEICA DC VARIO-ELMARIT lens. Incorporating three aspherical lenses provides high optical performance while preserving the compactness of the unit. The aspect ratio can be easily selected between 16:9 or 3:2 in addition to the conventional 4:3 with a switch on the lens barrel on a shot-by-shot-basis to best suit the composition of the image. Even after shooting, the 16:9 ratio can be converted to 3:2 or 4:3 with the camera according to your purpose of use.

The Extra Optical Zoom, made possible by using the center part of 10.2-megapixel high resolution CCD, further extends the zoom ratio to 5.5x for 5-megapixel image recording in 16:9 aspect with minimal deterioration.

* In 16:9 aspect ratio.

2. More than just a MEGA O.I.S., LUMIXs image stabilizing system further evolves
Taking advantage of its superior lens technology, Panasonic invented the MEGA O.I.S.(Optical Image Stabilizer) to fight against the major cause of blurred images. It compensates for handshake and is now featured on the entire LUMIX range, and having been highly evaluated and appreciated by the users across the world. Every slight hand-shake movement is detected accurately with the sampling frequency at 4,000 times per second and will be compensated to render clear, sharp images. In addition, movement of the subject, the other major cause of blurred images, is suppressed by the advanced image processing LSI Venus Engine III with the Intelligent ISO Control (hereafter I.I.C.) and max.ISO1600 high sensitivity recording capabilities. The worlds first incorporation* of this I.I.C. allows the automatic adjustment of the suitable ISO setting and shutter speed that best suits the situation by analyzing the speed of subject movement. If the subject is moving, the ISO setting would automatically rise to allow high shutter speed. On the other hand, if the subject is still and no movement is detected, you can take beautiful natural images with a low ISO setting.

?Accordingly the new LUMIX automatically takes the best countermeasures against any causes of blurred images with MEGA O.I.S. compensating for hand-shake and the I.I.C. compensating for movement of the subject. Image stabilizing system is further evolving with LUMIX.

*For a digital still camera, as of July 19, 2006.

3. Dramatically reduced noise with Venus Engine III
The DMC-LX2 adopts the Venus Engine III to realize high sensitivity recording at max. ISO 1600 at full resolution. The noise reduction system is greatly improved by removing noise at the processing stages in series. First, critical noise is roughly undraped and the chromatic noise and the luminance noise are separated to respectively go through the supplemental noise reduction process so that the remaining noise is appropriately minimised.

Despite the significantly increased performance of the camera, the Venus Engine III consumes only 80% of the power utilized by the Venus Engine II and is able to achieve a longer battery life of 300 pictures (CIPA) on a single charge. With its multi-task image processing capability, the Venus Engine III also boasts outstanding response time with a shutter release time lag of as short as 0.009 sec*. minimum and the shutter interval of 0.6 sec*. The DMC-LX2 enables easy capture of those spur-of-the-moment shots. The DMC-LX2 also allows unlimited consecutive shooting up to the capacity of the SD/SDHC memory card**.

* Not including the time for AF.
**The number of recordable pictures depends on the memory card size, battery life, picture size and image compression.

4.Joystick-operated intuitive full manual control
The easy-to-use joystick operation and good design, which were part of the highly acclaimed trademarks of the predecessor, are inherited by the DMC-LX2. The joystick was incorporated to facilitate operational ease and thereby get the best technical advantage of the multitude of functions offered by the camera.  With the joystick it is possible to set focus and exposure manually, and also quickly shortcut to frequently used variables by just pressing and holding the joystick even while monitoring a subject on the LCD. The predecessor LX1 contained white balance adjustment, ISO setting, image size setting and compression format in its shortcut menu, and the light metering and AF mode settings are now added for the new LX2. It also allows the exposure compensation and selection of one out of nine focusing areas.

A switch on the side of the lens barrel lets you quickly change the focus mode between MF, AF or Macro AF. When you focus in the Manual Focus mode, not only the focus distance but also the DOF (depth of field) according to the zoom range and aperture is displayed. An MF assist function enlarges the center of the image to make focusing easier. The focusing area can be enlarged up to 4x and is movable, which also contributes to easy and comfortable manual focusing.?

5.Crystal-clear, large 16:9 wide 2.8-inch LCD
To express the best of the extensive 16:9 wide image recording, a 2.8 wide and large 207 k high resolution LCD is newly equipped. The pixel mixed readout method performed at the CCD achieves high sensitivity to offer sufficient brightness for easy shooting even in low-lit situations.  The Power LCD function boosts the brightness level by 40% to secure clear view even in sunny outdoors.

The High Angle mode makes the display extremely easy to view from low angles, for example, when holding the camera up high to take pictures over a crowd and can be accessed easily and quickly by using the dedicated button.

6.  High definition 16:9 wide motion image recording
The DMC-LX2 is capable of recording the 4:3 VGA(640 x 480) and 16:9 wide VGA(848 x 480) motion image recording at 30 fps. Shooting is one thing but viewing is another, and you will be suitably impressed by the 16:9 moving image when it is displayed on a wide screen TV. In addition, the LX2 can record motion images even in high definition (1280 x 720) format at 15 fps. The pixel mixed readout method assists the bright motion image recording even in low lit situation.

7.  Faster AF
The AF mode can be selected according to the shooting situation: 9-point, 3-point high speed, 1-point high speed, 1-point normal speed and Spot. In the 1-point and 1-point high speed AF mode, the AF area is selectable from the nine focusing areas with the joystick to best fit the composition of the subjects. Also, the AF assist lamp helps quick, accurate focusing in situations where focusing is difficult due to the lack of light. The AF/AE lock button is also succeeded from the predecessor.

8. A Variety of Scene Modes and Other Features to Enrich Your Photography
An even larger variety of scene modes are contained  a total of seventeen* scene modes to assist you in a wide range of photographic situations. The newly incorporated Beach mode is perfect for shooting in strong sunlight and the Aerial mode assists with shooting through the windows of an aeroplane. High Sensitivity** mode is made possible by the pixel-mixed readout method by the CCD, is ideal for shooting moving subjects clearly without blurring at a maximum sensitivity setting of ISO 3200.

For additional improvement, the Print mode is also added to the mode dial of the LX2 so that you can make prints by just connecting the camera to Pictbridge -corresponding printers via included USB cable. Of course you can get plural prints of a image or print only those you have selected as your favourite.

The DMC-LX2 includes 13MB of built-in memory to serve not just as a tool of shooting images but also as a digital album, to enjoy seeing and showing your favorite pictures.

Finally, to edit and develop RAW files, SILKYPIX Developer Studio 2.0SE software application is included with the DMC-LX2. With that, you can freely adjust various setting such as exposure, white balance, and so on afterward with the RAW files to take maximum advantage of digital camera photography enjoyment.

*Not including Macro Mode.
**Resolution significantly decreases in high sensitivity mode.

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#401 nick in japan

NRC, thanks for the update, I agree with you about the FZ-50, I use a -30 and I have a few issues with it , but that screen sure is nice!
I just gotta ask you to look back at the Ricoh GRd, memories of my Olympus XAs', something about a super lens and no bling to think about, maybe the ultimate point and shoot. If I can find one at a discount, I would get one to carry with me as companion. I don't know if Ricoh will update it, looks like a smart thing to do if they could!

8:50 am - Friday, September 29, 2006

#402 NRC


The GRd is one of the most appropriately designed compacts out there - it provides brilliant control over the photo-taking process. By most reports, however, the processor just can't cut it and the resulting images are grainy and noisy. It's an effect, one that some people love (i'm one of them), but it is only really good as a second (or third or fourth) camera. I'm looking for a number one.

9:47 am - Friday, September 29, 2006

#403 nick in japan

NRC, Management of noise on these weany sensors seems to have been done pretty good up to ASA 200, on everything out there, the IS system in the LX, and 16x9, puts it ahead of most in the compact size. Ricoh's engine has good results up to and including ASA 200, and, with no zooming to worry about, ease of use should be nice.
That's one of the faults I have with the FZ series, sensor size.
Alot of us are awaiting the next generation of compacts that create images of Velvia quality, guess we wait, or put up with a bit of noise, and it's various engine controllers.
I think a couple of my half-frame 35mm cameras, that can crank out 72 images per roll, can produce much better images, scanned, than any 1/1.65 sensor ( or smaller) out there, and that is frustrating!

11:47 am - Friday, September 29, 2006

#404 NRC


I totally agree with you. Rather than creating 10MP cameras with iso 1600 capacity and itty bitty sensors, i can't understand why noone is developing and perfecting a 6MP that shoots those velvia quality images you talk about. It'll be interesting to reflect upon this conversation in three or five years - see where this all ends up. But of course, i can't wait three or five years. In fact, i'm not sure i can wait three or five days! I think that at the when it comes down to it i'll have either an LX2 or a GRd, or an FZ50 or Sony DSC-H5. Or, if i can bear the extra cost, a Sony DSC-R1. If it were you, which box would you be opening (and don't give me any of that beat-around-the-bush diplomacy :) - just your gut reaction )?

12:36 pm - Friday, September 29, 2006

#405 TS

Well, there is a new camera to think about. The Sigma DP1. It has a large Foveon sensor in a point & Shoot body. In fact, it's the same exact sensor that's in their DSLR... 14MP, 28mm fixed lens, but slow F4.0. Here's a link:

8:11 pm - Friday, September 29, 2006

#406 nick in japan

NRC, thank you for the confidence, but here is the clincher, without knowing if size actually makes any difference to you,and if your NEEDS and WANTS are specific in some areas, it's impossible to give you a gut feeling.
I am never without at least 4 different cameras, either for a trip to the lotus fields, rice fields, a family outing, or a nude shoot. Why?, because of the complexity of each.
Used to be those different cameras were film cameras, each performing a different function, and, with different lenses and different films I could widen my documentation abilities.
A pro photographer does the same thing, different cameras, lenses and all set-up to get a different look, or fill a different need. That one camera around his neck with the wonderful 50mm 1.8 did the side-line close-ups too!
On a nude shoot, I always carried a half-frame 35mm to use when I ran out of film and didnt have time to reload!
Anyway, maybe you should think about this , get a quality compact, the ones you mentioned are fine, I'm partial to the LX-2!, and maybe a used FZ-30, to reach out with a telephoto, or even do wide shots( I put an OLD wide attachment, Canon, on my used, $230, FZ-30. Flip-down screen for the low shots, wide adapter gets me 28mm, AND, still can go out to almost 300mm with it attached. Image quality is great for normal prints and with a bit of tweaking, blow-ups are easy too.
Presently I am addicted to the shallow, shallow depth of field I get from my old FD 85mm 1.2 mounted, via doubler/adapter, on my Canon 10D, and of course the Bigma on the 20D, for those bird shots.
So there is my "gut" (today) LX-2 and a used FZ-30, or even a -20.

11:31 pm - Friday, September 29, 2006

#407 NRC


Brilliant! Not your advice necessarily (not that it was bad advice) - but i'm not saying i'm going to go out tomorrow and buy an LX2 and an FZ30 - but finally a comment with some personal flavour! Although your first couple of sentences were a handy little disclaimer, you actually told me to what you are particularly partial. How refreshing! Getting to this point was reminiscent of pulling teeth (as they say) but we made it in the end. Thanks a bundle for the contribution - food for thought indeed. But for now, the reading continues....

1:40 am - Saturday, September 30, 2006

#408 Loup Garou Nola

I would be grateful if somebody could enclose a download link to Adobe's RAW 3.5 plugin itself. Not the disk image on Adobe's site but the plugin itself, after it's been opened so that I can drop it into th e correct Adobe folder. Trust me when I say that I used everything known to man to open the disk images, "Mount", various links, various browsers, etc. And I can't use RAW Developer because I'm on X.2.8. I just want to get the images to open in Photoshop so I can convert them to Tiffs or PSDs. I'm on OS X.2.8 and for whatever reason, I cannot open the disk image from Adobe's site even though I'm running Photoshop CS2 on my OS just fine. I just received my LX2 today but can't see the RAW files! And I am using OS X.2.8 happily for now. Sorry this is not such a fun post--I'm very stressed with a deadline to send the only RAW photo I have of artwork for a deadline in a few hours and it won't convert. And the enclosed software does not seem to have a "save as" function or export at all! So I can't even report on the image quality down here in New Orleans yet because I can't open it in Photoshop and the bundled software is not very agreeable to me.

4:17 am - Wednesday, October 4, 2006

#409 Loup Garou Nola

OS X.2.8 won't mount the Adobe download for the RAW 3.5 plugin that is why I'm requesting a link to the actual plugin itself if anyone's got it. Thanks so very much. Other than the incredible stress I'm under about not being able to convert or even see my RAW files in Photoshop when a file is due for a competition, my first response to the LX2 is that it's just terrific--now if only I could see the files. I'm only going to be shooting at 100/RAW files with noise reduction low or turned-off (hopefully with firmware update later?)...

4:26 am - Wednesday, October 4, 2006

#410 LoupGarou NOLA

Please forgive my hysteria--under a lot of stress--good stress but stress, nonetheless. I discovered a workaround that has alleviated my concerns considerably. In the enclosed software "Silkypix", the engineers swapped a more user-friendly "export" or "save as" function for its photographic counterpart of "development". So you can "develop" the RAW file as a Tiff file or Jpeg, etc. So all in all, I'm initially very impressed with this little camera and PROFOUNDLY happy about it all straight out of the box. The camera is a little miracle and I never even had to read the manual to get the little gem rolling right away. I purchased a very fast 1 GB card and everything is humming. I will report more if anyone wants to listen--that is once I get past an ominous Fine Art Competition deadline that will keep me up all night and give me coffee coke bottle eyeballs in the morning, no doubt. In any case, the image opened-up in Photoshop and the quality is very very nice for such a little old thing. Thanks much for eavesdropping on my momentary calamity!

4:57 am - Wednesday, October 4, 2006

#411 nick in japan

#410, anxious to hear all your impressions!
I'm heading out to Kyushu on Saturday morning, returning Monday evening. Safari Land and an active volcano, plan on using the LX-2 alot, but I'm still deciding when and where to use the noise reduction, it has a blurring effect that is a bit over-whelming to me, but may be OK for some shots. I plan on doing some shots at the different settings.
I do JPEG and probably need to get educated about RAW, as it appears to be the thing to do...maybe.

6:29 am - Wednesday, October 4, 2006

#412 Greg from SPb, Russia

At first, sorry for my poor english (but I can understand what I will read).

I had compact Nikon 7900 that goes to mechanicaly dead, and now I want to buy LX2 soon. After reading many comments and viewing samples, I have only one question to real users of LX2: what about phisical quality of it's matrix? Hot and dead pixels etc. Is Panasonic enough good producer for 10 megapixels matrix? What do you think?
Or it is better for me to buy a less-megapixels camera from... other well-known brands for same price?

I like all posibilities and special features by LX2, with its compact size no compares. But is Panasonic enough stabilly producer for such matrix, and will I have good camera when it will come to me in Russia - is a question... :-)
(I already had experience with brilliant world reviews and a very poor quality with same product in Russia. And now stability of production is important factor for me.)

Sorry, sorry, sorry for my english again.
May be you understand me?.. :-)

11:20 pm - Wednesday, October 4, 2006

#413 nick in japan

#412, Da! If you plan on huge blow-ups, I recommend a camera with a larger sensor. I use the LX-1 and LX-2 with alot of happiness.
I think that Panasonic has made some great advancements with their FZ series, I also use the FZ-30 and 20, and quality is EXCELLENT, BUT, they are not compact caneras, ALMOST, but not as compact as the LX.
I hear no serious critism of Panasonic, please review reports on Panasonic models, there are some in-between sized models too, that are EXCELLENT!
Dosdidonya !

4:36 am - Thursday, October 5, 2006

#414 Greg from SPb, Russia

#413, thank You for answer. I don't find any user statistics about quality of last generation Panasonic matrix on web (only second way, past analises as noise comparing etc). Probably, this means OK... Than i write here to ask real users.
(and I think noise on LX2 raws is not critical at all, compared with it's blue/pink chromatic aberration!)

Is there any special software to view existance and quantity of hot/dead pixels, as Cannon users have? Or I can to view only raws after all in-cam procedures?
Panasonic already made closed for exploring firmwares and camera ports, yes?

I think, Dosdidonya = Dosvidaniya. :) But your russian is better than my english. :)
Thank You.

1:07 pm - Thursday, October 5, 2006

#415 jjdaking

Hi Greg. I live in Almaty KZ, and bought LX2 through ebay. Kamera prishla v otlichnom sostoyanii. Mertvih pixelei net naskolko ya mogy sydit po snimkam. Ne dymau 4to eto problema, a to mi bi slishali ob etom. Kamera otli4naya po vsem parametram, no shym vse zhe est pri nedostatke sveta - snimal ve4erinly tolko s vspishkoi i poly4ilos neploxo. Sprashivai esli nyzhna eshe infa. Poka

1:55 pm - Thursday, October 5, 2006

#416 nick in japan

Greg, I surely hope that #415 are the answers you need about your RAW questions, I shoot only JPEG, altho I did download the RAW plug-in last night to get started learning about it. As far as I know there is now firmware available for the LX series yet.
I use Photoshop CS2 for all my work with noise reduction, various modes.
My Ukrainian model pronounces Dosvidoniya with a "d" sound vs the "v", that's my excuse for the wrong spelling, sorry, I'm from Lithuanian background but haven't mastered English yet, so please forgive my feeble attempt to make you feel at home here.

10:58 pm - Thursday, October 5, 2006

#417 nick in japan

OOPS! That should read " there is NO firmware available for the LX series yet"
( Got to learn to proof-read too!)

11:01 pm - Thursday, October 5, 2006

#418 Greg from SPb, Russia

#415 spasibo za infu, no ya ne hotel by pokupat' cherez ebay iz-za garantii. Ochen' skoro LX2 budut u nas v Pitere v salonah. I ya opasayus' narvat'sja na ocherednuju otbrakovku v "tret'i strany", kak uzhe naryvalsja ne raz s nekotorymi proizvoditeljami...
Izvini, ja popytajus' pisat' na anglijskom dlja praktiki, i chtoby mestnye ne obizhalis'. :) OK?

Sorry for quick marsian conversation. :)
My opinion about some part of matrix noise based on hot/dead pixels remapping process. This is built-in camera process, well studied on Cannon cameras for example.
All such pixels known by camera and listed in service area. When you make raw shot, camera approximate/interpolate known bad pixels and you NEVER view shuch pixels on shots made with NEW camera. If pixels "fall down" for the times ago, monthes or years, you will see NEW bad pixels only. Your camera needs "remapping".
(For Cannon cameras is exist some "hacking" software.) All new cameras is well-looking. :)

For quality of pics, approximated/intepolated pixels views as... of course a noise!
A part of noise have this genesis, more or less part.
If we have MORE noise (as on a very huge 10 mpx, but a very little in size LX2' matrix) - how can we know what procent of noise takes by simple bad produced matrix, not established factory technology?

My question is about any software and usb port interaction for real matrix statement controlling. And prognosis. Is there any for Panasonic?

I need to repeat, LX2' matrix noise, as I view on users RAW samples, is NOT problem for me. Sylkipix or Ninja will make good job.
And high level of chromatic aberrations is not problem too (working with it is more and more difficult).
But how I see, nobody can view real LX2' matrix mistery... :-(

Well. I will risk. I like this mistery cam.

Thank You all for patience.
If You have additional info, please write/send me at gregjarikov(at)

11:10 pm - Thursday, October 5, 2006

#419 Greg from SPb, Russia

Well, Nick, if RAW is pre-processed, JPEG is pre-and-post processed.
I see on samples, that JPEG noise after in-camera reduction is bad. And working on JPEG for high quality pix is more difficult.
But after some noise reduction in RAW converter (I try SILKYPIX Developer Studio 2.0 SE v. Panasonic Edition, sended to me by one friend from FZ50 box for test), or unreducted with raw converter, but with Noise Ninja (+PS CS2) quality of pix is enough for me.
Very well. I planned to use RAW mode with LX2 only.

11:38 pm - Thursday, October 5, 2006

#420 AA

Nick, all I can assume is that you never really blow up your photos from these cameras to their maximum allowable sizes, am I correct?

RAW processing can be a bitch sometimes, but there is serious joy in it once you see that light. I don't think you will ever go back to shooting JPEGs only once you figure out the HUGE differences in the good results from the RAW as compared to the scrappy JPEG.
Especially for someone like you, who seem to spend a lot of time with CS2 trying to make the JPEGS pretty - and all you ever needed to do was use RAW. I KNOW for a fact that you will regret not having shot a lot of your past photos in RAW, once you see the light.
Then, you won't be so afraid to blow up the photos to their maximum possible print sizes.

Greg, you are right - the JPEGs are just not that good from this camera, even a quick glance at some of the samples prove that - you don't even need to look at them in detail to see the drop off.

The RAW isn't perfect either, but it is coming from a small sensor after all.

Still, I am going to wait for the next version.

2:06 am - Friday, October 6, 2006

#421 nick in japan

AA, Thank you for your comments.. I Do, occasionally, make enlargements, only for a full page in my photo albums project.
I just returned from the rice fields, farmers are cutting today, and actually shot my first RAW images, only 4. I will attempt to open them in CS2 now that I have that plug-n, but it will have to wait, as we are leaving tomorrow for 3 days in Kyushu.
From what I have read, the RAW processing is time consuming, something I don't have alot of. I shot about 50 images this morning, tweaked about 20, getting ready to send Gary my favorite. It's almost 1400hrs and about time to start getting the van packed, Joe picked up from school and supper started. I will try and see how much time it takes to do the RAW thing, but I'm a bit leary about if it will be worth it. I am not selling, nor engaged in real pressure to produce contest level prints, so the RAW thing seems , maybe, to be a bit of icing on the cake.
What, exactly do you do with your images? It sounds like you routinely make large prints, for a gallery? I'd love to see your work somehow.
I am happy that RAW works for you and, maybe, just maybe, you are correct about a transition for me, but , it's the time factor that worries me. I will try and understand the new process next week, as you know I am not too fast!

5:49 am - Friday, October 6, 2006

#422 John

Hey, wow, I "tried" to go through all the comments, was tough, but I skimmed through. I read the reviews on DCRP and Camera Labs. Sigh, after the LX1, which I hesitated on, I was hoping the ISO situation would be fixed, the 16x9 really is a draw, but I had some more techy photo questions. I'd call myself amateur to skilled, but by no means an expert like some people here posting seem to be. If anyone would be able to help me with some photography questions please email me at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address), or post your email here, and I'll email you. Thank you.

8:28 am - Friday, October 6, 2006

#423 nick in japan

John, please post your questions here, there are some folks here that have your answers.
The wonderful thing about doing that is, that we, that arn't so smart, get to read and learn. There are many, many folks that want to ask your questions too, but are too shy to write.

9:23 am - Friday, October 6, 2006

#424 Greg from SPb, Russia

#421 Nick, You ask AA, but I use raw procedures even for small prints.

I have A4 color laser at home, and my wife present me a small 15x10 Samsung 2040 sublimation photo printer at my birthday (I wander :). Well, she do this for herself of course :). And I found good quick algorythm for printing LX2 raw samples with such small 15x10 as Samsung.
I do converting a RAW in Sylkypix with a little noise reduction, adjust what I need in PS CS2, resize image double size down (this is good noise reduction too), make some unsharp mask, crop image to 3:2 if I need, and print for 15x10. Views perfect! No noise. No glance.

300 dpi sublimators have about 1752x1170 pixels resolution and you can reduce LX2' full raw 4224x2376 pixels image exact (!) for /2, and if you need do some cropping by moving crop frame a little left or right for composition alignment.
Very good sensor resolution exact for 300 dpi printing! LX2 is win!

When You know Your camera and have raw converter already tuned, spended time for paper copy with some fine tuning is about 5-10 minutes. But if you need to convert many hundreds of photos, you need some batch converting software, and quality will decreased of course.

10:40 am - Friday, October 6, 2006

#425 Ross

Three moonlit exposures (30-60 seconds) via LX2 from a windy SW Scotland tonight - hence the streaky clouds and soft trees. Amazed how well colours are captured though.

10:53 pm - Friday, October 6, 2006

#426 Ross

And another one @ 60 second exposure in the 'harvest moonlight'. ISO 100 RAW tweaked in Silkypix.

1:20 am - Saturday, October 7, 2006

#427 chris

Ross, I'm happy to see that someone else is also doing some long exposures with the LX2. You have some nice pics. This camera can do much more than the normal daylight photos.

But you may have noticed that for every long exposure you take, the camera takes a second "black frame" exposure to reduce noise. So a 30 second exposure takes 60 seconds plus a couple of seconds for internal processing.

And I think it does a good job, but I wish that I had more control, or could turn it off completely.
Have you tried taking a second black frame and doing another pass at noise reduction? I have had mixed results doing that. I wish I knew what method Panasonic was using to reduce noise on long exposures, because whatever they are doing affects JPEG and RAW.

Anyway, great pics and thanks for posting them. This is one of the best "harvest moon" (see ) so folks should be out taking some photos of it!

4:06 am - Saturday, October 7, 2006

#428 Ross


Last night's pics were lazy ones from my doorstep but as I was most impressed by the colour information captured I will pocket the mini-tripod for later. BTW, is this what an owl sees ? !

Here is a 100% crop from a jpegged raw-RAW (i.e. no NR or changes made in SilkyPix). Noise is noticeable but IMHO quite acceptable for my own fun purposes as I am quite happy to play around a little.

I would like to see Panasonic extend the 'speed' range of the CCD to allow well-balanced long exposures during bright daylight too. I wonder if this is technically possible / achievable via firmware perhaps ?

Whilst I understand the reasons, the extra black-frame exposure is a little irritating at times particularly when the light seems just right for another shot and the camera is still busy ! I haven't tried overlaying / subtracting my own dark frame yet, I will look up a 'how to' somewhere and give it a go.



12:16 pm - Saturday, October 7, 2006

#429 Loup Garou-NOLA

Adobe releases Camera RAW plugin for LX2!

Hey Folks! Adobe just released the Camera RAW plugin 3.6 for the LX2! I have it installed and a raw file from my new camera open in CS2 now. Also Adobe released an update to CS2. I LOVE my camera but haven't kicked the tires enough to file a real image report.

Loup Garou-NOLA

4:59 am - Tuesday, October 10, 2006

#430 nick in japan

#429, haven't heard that expression in a long time, lottsa folks may not know the good old way of checking tire pressure, iron bar works good, Japanese do the vehicle inspection with a small hammer!
Anxious to hear your semi-final verdicts, I did some sunset/sunrise images while on the trip, suprised at the quality, pleasantly! The future LED screen will have to be the OLED, tilt, for sure!!!

7:58 am - Tuesday, October 10, 2006

#431 ktmcle

Hi all,

I did some night shot recently with my lumix lx2, all in ISO100. Here's the flickr account:

Little BuBu Flickr!

5:21 pm - Friday, October 13, 2006

#432 Beeman

Having had all the initial excitement and the inevitable disappointments about what has not been delivered in the LX2 we seem to be getting to a consensus view, on which those like me who did not rush straight in can now make decision on whether to buy. Thanks everyone for your contributions. The recent review at seems to confirm it’s really the only option if you want a tiny camera and want to have full control. I am not ready to give up my MF gear entirely, but I am prepared to make sacrifice of higher ASA speeds not to carry about 7 kilos.

RAW seems to be the redeeming feature and I guess that future versions of noise reduction software will only get better at preserving the data we are currently smearing, and could be applied retrospectively. Are many of you out there shooting RAW as a realistic option, or is it just too slow and fiddly to post process?

Since most of the noise problems seem to be in the colour information, how do people like the B&W images it can produce. I have not seen any posted or commented on.

One thing I don’t think I could live without is a polarising filter. Can you just shove one in front of the lens, say a big Cokin one or a 60mm one, or is there some means of mounting one properly?

I hope it is encouraging that Panasonic has released a firmware update for the DMC-L1. How is the petition going? What else do we want apart from turning off the NR? 50 or 80 ASA to squeeze out a bit more quality?

Do we know what the Leica buyers are getting extra for their money, other that the red spot? They still seem to have 80ASA

Hoping to get an LX2 from the US.-.$380 versus about £300 here in the UK. Would there be any problems with regard to the charger other that needing a plug adaptor?

Please keep posting!

10:38 pm - Friday, October 13, 2006

#433 nick in japan

#432.. I too love what the PL can do, use it always on some of my lenses, the coatings on the LX series lenses are superior and will do a great job, but, yes, there are times when a PL is needed!
I built a filter holder for my LX-1, described it at length in the LX-1 thread, a looooong time ago, esentially it was an olympus lens hood that fit a 62mm filter at a length that didnt interupt the lens articulation. It has a screw that pushes a contact that clamped it to the flange of the lens housing, where the printing is.
I used it in conjunction with a Sony Ring Light too, giving me filtration and lighting at the same time for close-ups.
There was no vignetting and worked well!
If you want to see some images of it, please e-mail me and I'll send them...
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I love both the Lx-1 and 2, took some shots yesterday of a persimmon tree and the noise in the sky was all but gone, good light is a real factor in getting great shots , even in JPEG!
Good shooting!

12:09 am - Saturday, October 14, 2006

#434 Joe

How do you place your LX2 when you leave it on the table? I am afraid to lay it flat (with LCD touching the table) which might cause scratchs on the LCD. Please share how you did it and if you have any idea to proctect the LCD.

2:33 am - Wednesday, October 18, 2006

#435 nick in japan

Joe, the LCD is pretty scratch resistant, I personally put mine in a little case if I put it on something, usually it is around my neck.
" Necessity is the Mother of Invention", if you need to place the naked camera on a table top, why don't you invent some end/body cushions... like a real thick hair-band , that will stretch arond the body and provide a cushioned area for the camera to rest on. The trick would be to get something thick enough to protect the screen area... Let us know if you come up with something interesting!
Good shooting!

3:00 am - Wednesday, October 18, 2006

#436 Joe

Nick, I assume you have a much longer strap when you hang the LX2 around your neck since the original strap is so short, it is only good for the hand. Your suggestion of using a hair band is pretty good, I will look around at local store. Thanks

7:14 am - Wednesday, October 18, 2006

#437 nick in japan

Right, that is a wrist strap to prevent dropping it!
Actually, usually I have the camera mounted into the hot-shoe of either my DSLRs or EVF cameras, I made a few adapters from old , broken, flashes, the shoe foot being hacksawed off, a 1/4 20 stud inserted and the unit screwed into the tripod mount of the LX-1, or 2. This allows me to carry the LX camera without a strap, piggyback on the other camera.. Nothing more annoying than a bunch of cameras around your neck!
Restrictions to this arrangement are that with long lenses I have to zoom out a tad, and sometimes the flash on the bottom camera doesn't pop up far enough, solved by just sliding the LX back a bit and retightening the lock wheel.

7:38 am - Wednesday, October 18, 2006

#438 Steven Fink

It would be great if these Panasonic LX2 (and leica/alikes) cameras had a strap lug on each side of the body so it could be worn around the neck, instead of having to hold it in one hand or keep it in a pocket or camera bag. I am a professional photographer, and I use these point and shoot higher end prosumer digital cameras on assignment for quick unobtrusive shooting in sensitive environments. Add the option of a neckstrap, PLEASE. At least have an upgrade at the Panasonic/Leica repair centers that allows the extra lug to be added on.

4:33 pm - Wednesday, October 18, 2006

#439 nick in japan

I agree with you up to a point Steve!
Indeed, 2 lugs place the camera in a horizontal , traditional position, but, the camera would then need an actual camera strap to complete the look. The camera is too small for that, get a thin, and strong, chain-like neck string-strap, and it hangs in the perfect position to slip in your shirt breast pocket to keep it from swinging around while using the DSLR.
Like a smooth guitar strap, allowing the guitar to be repositioned easily while the strap is in use, the thin string strap for the LX ( I use a metal chain) also allows the DSLR strap to be used without much confusion, as 2 big straps would present.
The LX is a bit big for leaving in the shirt pocket all the time, but is necessary to protect it when you are trying to get into some low positions where a "Dangling" camera is gonna be bumping/swinging around.
This feat can't easily be done with a 2 lug camera, but, I agree, there are times when I would like to hang the LX like my M3!
2 lugs gives the impression also that this is a 2 hand camera all the time, it isn't!..........IMHO

10:49 pm - Wednesday, October 18, 2006

#440 Joe

When I have multiple folders, how do I jump from one folder to another when viewing picture. i.e. From folder 105 jump to 102 or from 108 to 107.

5:08 pm - Sunday, October 22, 2006

#441 Yee

I have jpeg pictures taken by other camera. Can I use one of the LX2 supplied program if any to copy the other jpeg files onto the SD card and expect it to be played on the LX2.

5:43 pm - Sunday, October 22, 2006

#442 nick in japan

#441.. I tried once to read a card from another camera in the LX-1, and 2, it didn't work for me, BUT, it may be compatible with information from different cameras.
Gary may have a solution to this, codes that signal compatibility can sometimes be written, by the user, to make the card useable, at least it can in some hand-held games that use cards imprinted from cameras so you can view your photo images on them.

11:11 pm - Sunday, October 22, 2006


With some cameras, you can just hook the camera up to the USB port of a
PC and then, when it appears on the desktop, just drag JPEGs onto its card.
If you put the JPEGs into an existing folder using the correct file numbering,
they can then be read by the camera. Nick will have to verify whether you'll
be able to do this with the LX2.

4:35 am - Monday, October 23, 2006

#444 nick in japan

There is a procedure for assigning a completely new ID to each image to enable that image to be viewed by, specifically, the game PSP. It is a pain in the backside and when I did it for my Son, and his PSP, I attempted to rewrite the same info to enable viewing in a specific camera, I don't remember which one. It did not work, and I never attempted it again.
As far as my cameras go, the only camera capable of reading another card, even without redesignating the file codes, is the Sony F828. Canon 10D CF card with Canon image can be inserted into the F828 and trimmed/resized, without any ID changes initialized by the user, the camera assigns a new number to the resized/trimmed image.
I recall something about LX images from the camera, once post- processed, cannot be shown in the camera again too.
Someone that has alot more brain power, and patience than I may have a scheme for using the LX camera as a slide-show of post-processed images.
There are many storage wallets that have wonderful screens, and the software to show just about any image, from any source, pretty reasonably priced too!

5:58 am - Monday, October 23, 2006

#445 Yee

442#, 443# and 444# Thanks for your replies. Gary, your suggestion might work if connecting the camera to PC allows me to write to the SD card. I will try this. Nick, you said "I recall something about LX images from the camera, once post- processed, cannot be shown in the camera again too." What do you mean by once post-processed? Do you meant worked on the file on PC then write it back to the SD card; and you can no longer view the picture on the camera

8:12 am - Monday, October 23, 2006

#446 nick in japan

Yee, yes, that is correct, even if the post processed images, original size, or compressed to e-mail size are sent back to the camera generated folder, they cannot be read in the camera (displayed)
A bummer if you want to have a bunch of e-mail sized shots to show-off to that nice looking gal sitting next to you on the plane! The wide-screen will display the shots that have not been sent anywhere else for tweaking.
I just confirmed this with my camera.
When you save the tweaked image BACK to the original folder, the camera appears to try and display it, an empty screen appears vs the alert "No Images To Display" when trying to review older images written to the card, folder, or not.

8:55 am - Monday, October 23, 2006

#447 nick in japan

The trick is getting the camera to believe that it is it's own image.
I don't know the procedure of codes that must be sequentially applied to an image for it to show up.

9:00 am - Monday, October 23, 2006

#448 Li

I was also disappointed when I tried to save back images to the camera in LX1. But later I read in the documentation that you can use the supplied software to 'export' images back to the camera. Never tried it because I didn't use the software that came with the camera. You can try this ..

3:04 pm - Monday, October 23, 2006

#449 nick in japan

"Send me someone that reads" So true, so true! Thanks Li, nice to have you back!
( have an excuse, all my manuals are in Japanese, and getting my wife to translate is a real chore!)
For those wanting to use the LX for slide shows of favorite images, here is the answer! Thanks again Li!

11:00 pm - Monday, October 23, 2006

#450 Joe

Nick, here is the manual in English

2:53 pm - Tuesday, October 24, 2006

#451 nick in japan

Thanks Joe! I needed that! I owe you!

10:24 pm - Tuesday, October 24, 2006

#452 Li

Nick, the link in #450 is for the camera's manual. You can have lots of fun reading it but please don't search for the 'export' option in this one. This was mentioned in the printed pages that came along with the software ..

3:20 pm - Thursday, October 26, 2006

#453 nick in japan

Thanks Li! Good info, personally, I don't have intentions of doing any exporting, but knowing where that info is is important as the the information itself!
By the time I get around to doing a slide-show on a compact, new and better stuff will be out, particular in mind is the new screen development called OLED, can't wait to see one in a widescreen! Sanyo has the OLED screen on one of their video/still cameras, but the shop I deal with doesn't have one to look at yet.

10:41 pm - Thursday, October 26, 2006

#454 Tristan

Bought LX2 from overseas. The CD for the software is probably in Japanese because my PC shows bit & pieces of such characters. Does anyone knows whether I can download the software in English from a website. I especially need the one for RAW images. Thks in advance.

5:02 am - Friday, October 27, 2006

#455 Martin

Tristan: You can download Silkypix 3 beta (for RAW-file editing) from their webiste for free:

But there might be other, better, raw-file editors out there, I don't know.

3:46 pm - Wednesday, November 1, 2006

#456 Tristan

Great! Thanks Martin. You make my day.

1:54 pm - Thursday, November 2, 2006

#457 Stewart

Bought an LX2 on Ebay from Japan. Nice camera and looks like a great backup to my Nikon DSLR. However, software only came in Japanese. Does anyone know where I can download the English version. I have checked out Silkypix and their latest version comes out at about £70.

11:01 pm - Thursday, February 8, 2007

#458 Cody

Hey everybody. I just purchased the LX2 a couple of days ago, and have been out playing around with it. Sweet little camera. I do have one concern though, and I a wondering if it is something I'm doing, or if it's the camera. Whenever I shoot in 16:9, either in telephoto or wide angle, the righ hand side of the picture has a pincushion effect. I took a picture of a church, and it almost looks more like the leaning tower of Pisa. I have never had a camera that has a 16:9 mode, so I'm wondering if that is the issue. I would be glad to post a couple of pics on my website if anybody wants to take a look or has any suggestions. Thanks for the time!

4:00 am - Sunday, February 25, 2007

#459 Mark Goldstein

Is it just on one side - if so, that is strange! It's definitely not caused by the 16:9 mode. Post some pics and let us know the URL, but I'd take it back and swap it if I was you.

8:21 pm - Sunday, February 25, 2007

#460 cody

Hey Mark. Thanks for the reply. The URL is
The pics are kind of small...sorry about that. Disregard the big grey dot in the lower right of the church picture. It was raining out and a drop got on the lens :-). I also looked at some pics on some of the various photo sharing sites, and it looks like all of the pictures of buildings I've seen seem to exhibit this same sort of issue, so it must be a perspective thing and not the camera. I took several landscape photos today with the camera, and they are georgous. Again, thanks much for your time.

6:21 am - Monday, February 26, 2007

#461 AA

Yes that is the type of lens.

You are taking a shot panning/ looking up with a lens that is at 28mm.

Try shooting the same shots but zooming in all the way at buildings. If you can make the edges more square with the frame, then you'll see what I mean.

Also, try shooting with that same 28mm but shoot something exactly at eye-level and see if you can make the edges square up to the frame. You can do this inside, in a big living room or something - and frame it based on the edges of the room, and not panning up and down.

6:32 am - Monday, February 26, 2007

#462 cody

Thanks AA. Like I said, I took some landscape shots today, and they were beautiful, so I started to think it was just a perspective issue. Guess I'll have to get used to having a camera with a 28mm lens on it. Dang! I'm glad that it's not camera, because I love this little guy even after only having had it for two days.

6:41 am - Monday, February 26, 2007

#463 Mark Goldstein

AA is right, it's just the way that you've taken the photos - pointing the camera slightly up and not being square on with the building.

A 28mm wide-angle lens does open up a whole new world (you should try a really wide-angle lens!)

10:40 am - Monday, February 26, 2007

#464 cody

Thanks everybody for the confirmation. I really like this camera (small size, tons of features, including totally manual control, beautiful lens, 16:9 mode) so was really hoping that it was a perspective issue and not a physical issue with the camera. Off to take more pictures!

9:26 pm - Monday, February 26, 2007

#465 macke

Hello everybody,
I found some interesting at dpreview:

What do you guys think about it?

12:08 pm - Wednesday, February 28, 2007

#466 Emilie

I bought this camera in Seoul so I have yet to find an english owners manual - I love the camera for it has the features I wanted but the FLASH is so strong it blasts out all facial detail. Does anyone know what I can do? I have searched all corners of the menu options... My only other problem is that the video function captures .MOV file format. I don't think this can be changed so I guess I need better video editing software now (that can take this format). I do not find this camera too big - you shouldn't keep it in your pocket anyway. I like to adjust the camera pouch strap through my belt loops and then I have quick 'holster' access and I look cool too! =B-p

9:32 am - Saturday, March 10, 2007

#467 AA


It's really not that hard to find. It's been out for ages.

7:33 pm - Saturday, March 10, 2007

#468 AA

You can always use the M or A function and close-down th shutter. See if that works.

Have you tried using any of the pre-set features? Such as the Portrait mode, or the Soft Skin mode? What about the Party mode, even?

Are you talking about taking photos of faces in the day or at night? Indoors or outdoors?

Can you show us some samples?

7:39 pm - Saturday, March 10, 2007

#469 Canby

Any word on a new LX-3???

I dropped my LX1 badly - the metal around the flash button peeled back. I was able to push it back down and still get to the button but I have to manually lift the flash to make it work.

I've been thinking of upgrading, and was looking at the LX-2, but it's been almost a year since that model, so I figured they must be prepping a newer one? I think I should wait, no?
My LX-1 works fine. At least the lens didn't crack, and everything seems to be OK. Except I think I did knock the lense elements off a little and it seems to take a lot longer to focus, and not as clearly.

Oh LX-3, where are you?

7:33 am - Thursday, June 28, 2007

#470 K

Wow, what a real and true comparison!

Unbelievable that all that detail is lost in the shadows with the LX-2. Sure the LX-1 may look a little noisier, but hey, at least you can still see the details in the shadows - not like the smudge that the LX-2 gives you.

Oh, where, wherefor art thou, LX-3?

7:22 pm - Wednesday, August 1, 2007

#471 Photographer

Hi Canby!
You have a very interesting story. I wonder how that would happened with that model? I've used LX-1 and I had very pleasant experience with it. Nice pictures, detailed shadows.
LX-2 is the opposite of LX-1. I don't like the pictures of this newer model!
You can find some usefull informations about these two models at Digital Camera News website!

10:30 am - Wednesday, August 8, 2007

#472 Joe-bora

Quick summary of my LX-2 experience:

My background - serious amateur; 25+ years with a Pentax K-1000. (35mm)
Goals - Reluctant to move away from film, I waited for a rugged camera with manual modes and a high-quality wide angle lens. I realize digital image quality will not exceed film for some time, so my expectations are not that high. If I want museum-quality enlargements, I'll use the K-1000.
My findings after 3 months use of LX-2 - Nice camera; I won't outgrow it for some time (unlikely to ever use all the features!); I'm able to stop action, do macro, shoot video, and it (barely) fits into a shirt pocket.

I did some image quality tests. Sorry I don't have a handy spot to display photos. Found that quality gradually (not dramatically) decreased with increasing ISO. I shoot most everything at 200 and find it acceptable for most purposes. I would probably not go higher than 400. I rarely use flash. I shoot JPEG (light compression) so far. I may do more with RAW later. Interestingly, I found that the resolution of fine detail in extreme blow-ups is better at the second-highest pixel count setting than at the highest. Highest is 10M/8.5M/7.5M for the 3 aspect ratios, second highest is 8M/7M/6M. Fine with me; I'll save memory space. At these settings, I can make excellent images to fill my 19" screen.

Anyone else out there doing detailed tests?

6:11 pm - Friday, August 10, 2007

#473 Bernie

Truely excellent camera but with one big drawback - no optical viewfinder. That means when you try to take pictures in bright sunlight (holidays or bright locations) you can't see anything in the LCD viewfinder (even at its brightest setting) - photography by guesswork is not much fun.

1:28 pm - Monday, August 27, 2007

#474 Photos onto Canvas

The anti blur feature is second to none on this one.

3:04 pm - Wednesday, February 27, 2008

#475 PhotoEnthusiast

Hi i was just wondering if someone would be able to tell me if this camera shoots in RAW because i am just about to start a degree course in photography and one of the specifications of the course is i need a camera that shoots in RAW??
please can you get back to me thanks

1:12 pm - Monday, August 25, 2008

#476 Gary's Parries

PE, if you already own an LX2, it does have the RAW mode you require; however, if you
are looking to buy a camera, there are others with a better RAW implementation.

Here is a review of the LX2 that specifically discusses the supplied RAW mode software.

1:37 pm - Monday, August 25, 2008

#477 PhotoEnthusiast

thank you is it easy to switch between shooting in RAW mode and shooting in Jpeg?

1:42 pm - Monday, August 25, 2008

#478 Gary's Parries

It is easy enough, but may not be necessary since, when shooting in RAW mode, the
LX2 automatically provides a JPEG image at the same time.

2:12 pm - Monday, August 25, 2008

#479 Anthony Proulx

I have the LX1, its great they are coming out with an even better and updated version. Now what to do with my current one.

3:56 pm - Wednesday, February 4, 2009

#480 Andy

Excuse me. A neurosis is a secret that you don't know you are keeping.
I am from Bahrain and also now am reading in English, please tell me right I wrote the following sentence: "There is no limit to the educational games for the preschoolers."

Thank you very much :). Andy.

12:09 pm - Tuesday, August 4, 2009

#481 devika rajpali

While clicking in various modes the camera gives the perfect photography experience.

8:40 am - Friday, January 25, 2013