Sony Japan Post DSC-F828 Sample Images

#1 Ed Garrard

The yellow flowers on image 2 are blown out and haloed, too. I'd like to see more samples before I decide.

1:06 am - Saturday, September 20, 2003

#2 Jon Read

Oh dear.

Noise is high, definition is poor, and the colors are bleeding.

I had high hopes for Sony's new 8mp sensor, but it seems that any advances they may have made have been more than cancelled out by cramming so many pixels into such a small space.

On a brighter note, my A1 arrived today. I'm not overly happy with the noise in it's images, but seeing these makes me feel much better!

(Plug: Samples at http://photos.jonread.com/Minolta-A1-tests - sorry Mark )

Cheers,
Jon

1:09 am - Saturday, September 20, 2003

#3 Fazal Majid

Why am I not surprised...

What I find more curious is the terrible bokeh (out of focus highlight rendition). Look at the leaves of grass in the background of picture 1. You normally only get double lines like that with a mirror lens

1:34 am - Saturday, September 20, 2003

#4 Marc

man - they are shockingly bad! i'm surprised sony released them!

2:03 am - Saturday, September 20, 2003

#5 Freeman

Ok, it's not just me, the noise is high, especially on the non-focus area.
Also, maybe this is just me, but the pictures feel kinda plastic, not life.

3:08 am - Saturday, September 20, 2003

#6 William C Bert

I always said it not having more pixels is important, it what you do with them. Many un-educated people are going to think bigger is better when buying a digcam and they are in for a real education. I cannot believe Sony posted these photos, I read there was noise in the posts but the noise look like the noise from my Oly E-10 camera.

Bill

7:09 am - Saturday, September 20, 2003

#7 Guillermo Freige

In the second image (the flowers one) something odd happens with the resolution. First the whole picture is soft, and the small amount of USM I usually apply to reveal detail has no effect (the settings used were 500%, 0.2, 1). Second, the yellow flowers have an stairase effect in the borders, as if the picture were smaller and a digital zoom were applied. If you resize the image to 2/3, all returns to normal, USM works again and the staircase effect dissapears.
Any idea what this happens? Probably the new RGB+E filters? The first picture is noisy but much more detailed.

7:33 am - Saturday, September 20, 2003

#8 Ryan

Guillermo, I suspect what we're seeing there is some kind of in-camera noise-reduction. The color bleed on the flowers/leaves is awful isn't it? Sony have a lot of work to do.

12:11 pm - Saturday, September 20, 2003

#9 Ben Post

none just yet..

8:19 am - Wednesday, September 24, 2003

#10 tuan nguyen

Hi;
I'm just an amateur of photography. And I'm waiting for the samples of the world 1st 8.0 pix camera to see how's the product to make decision if i buy this camera or not- Definately i'd give no comment on the ( two samples of the F828)- One thing I just wonder is it real product of the 8.0 mega pix made by Sony? If it is, Sony's made huge, huge mistake to waste time, money to invest this stuff, the so-called 1st 8.0 mega pix in the world to receive the forseen ( Sony its self surely knows well its stuff at what range and price level... at the market before launch) get lost for the battle of current digital photography world? Let's see when this camera officially reaches the consumers to see many other samples of this stuff from different well known photography sites reviews to make final judgement on this stuff.

7:22 am - Thursday, September 25, 2003

#11 Mark Goldstein

I'm not certain that it was a production version of the F-828 that those photos came from, but surely Sony Japan wouldn't publish anything from a pre-production unit? They'd be mad to, especially as those samples are probably putting a lot of people off the camera.

12:27 pm - Thursday, September 25, 2003

#12 Timo

I don´t know if those sample photos have been taken with a pre-production unit (I hope so), but I agree that there is visible noise around. -In other hand I think that offcourse you can see every "dirty" detail when lookin 8mpx photos in full size on your monitor. Overall I would say that those samples are not SO disaster (as many other writer claims).

The idea in those colorfull shots has clearly been to show "the power" of Sony´s new 4-color CCD and I think that those samples have quite accurate color. In other hand I agree with "color bleeding -issue" and I also think that Sony should have given us a bit better samples when you think that F828 is competing with powerfull cameras like Minolta Dimage A1 and Canon EOS 300D.

I´m not a pro...just wanted to say my opinion. :o)

9:22 pm - Monday, October 6, 2003

#13 Mark Goldstein

The F-828 isn't aimed at pro photographers, so your opinion counts for a lot Timo! (and every other photographer like you).

The ultimate test would be to print one of those images out on your ink-jet or at a photo lab - at the end of the day, if you're happy with the resulting print, why care about what everyone else thinks?

9:40 pm - Monday, October 6, 2003

#14 tonejon

Agreed the samples (linked here) are horrible. I had high hopes for this product.

BUT, I have to say, I have seen other samples images supposedly from Sony here;
http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1058552208.html

Who knows, we'll just have to wait and see....

4:09 am - Tuesday, October 28, 2003

#15 Mark Goldstein

They were very early samples from Sony, showing off the new Emerald CCD. I doubt if they're representative of the final image quality.

I'd wait for a few reviews to appear before making a decision - I certainly wouldn't pre-order an F828...

7:04 pm - Tuesday, October 28, 2003

#16 Quentin Harley

Yes... these images are not up to the SONY standard I am used to. The bleeding of the yellow and the ghosting on the edges looks like the 2xDig zoom I have on my F707. (I never use the Dig zoom...)

The colour rendition is very good though

10:34 am - Friday, October 31, 2003

#17 Mark Goldstein

Images that look like you have used the digital zoom when you actually haven't cannot be good! Imagine what they look like when you HAVE used it!!

It will be interesting to read the first reviews of the F-828

6:55 pm - Friday, October 31, 2003

#18 keith caldwell

I think that these images look great & will give excellent enlarged prints.
Some of the comments are to be prejudiced. I'm very interested in the comments about noise. Ther appears to be a generation bias at work here - old men like me brought up on a diet of B&W prints seem more tolerant of 'grain' than younger folk used to a diet of the clear lines & colours of cartoon graphics!

9:25 am - Sunday, November 16, 2003

#19 Mark Goldstein

Yes, I agree that grain is usually seen as something to be avoided at all costs, but it can actually make an image at higer film speeds. However, if the Sony shots were taken at ISO 100, would you want such evident grain at such a slow speed? Imagine if Fuji Velvia 100 film had that much grain!

12:06 pm - Sunday, November 16, 2003

#20 Quentin Harley

Hey Mark, check out the official sony site. I know it is all in Japanese, but there is a shot of a basket with wool in this page that needs looking at... This is much better. I think that the production camera will have all the above sorted!

http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/DSC/DSC-F828/index.html

1:48 pm - Monday, November 17, 2003

#21 Quentin Harley

OK rather check out the URL below and click on the picture with the woolbasket.

http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/DSC/DSC-F828/feat1.html

1:53 pm - Monday, November 17, 2003

#22 Mark Goldstein

That does look better from a noise point of view than the earlier shots. I believe the F828 has been delayed until January now, so we will all have to wait for a couple more months to see what the performance is actually like...

2:40 pm - Monday, November 17, 2003

#23 Fazal Majid

The shadow areas are completely flat with no noise. It looks like they implemented some form of chroma noise filtering. That can work well with images like this one with large areas of essentially identical color, but would degrade resolution for real-world images that actually have color texture in them. There is no such thing as a free lunch...

2:49 pm - Monday, November 17, 2003

#24 reza

if you have any good images by DSC-F828 please send to my mail.
thank's a lot

5:04 am - Tuesday, July 27, 2004

#25 Mark Goldstein

Reza, it would help if you left your email address in the body of your message

11:36 am - Wednesday, July 28, 2004